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treestar

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7. the reverse of guilt by association

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:30 PM

Apr 2015

sort of immature. If so and so is for it, I'm against it, without thinking it through for myself. That's number one.

Who speaks for "Wall Street?" How do you know what "Wall Street" is for?

The first question we should ask is what is in it. When we see that, we have a reason to have an opinion.

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There are only two questions you need to answer to decide about the TPP. [View all] F4lconF16 Apr 2015 OP

'Free Trade' is created to benefit corporations. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #1

Blame it on FDR and his Reciprocal Tariff Act of 1934 and International Trade Organization in 1944. pampango Apr 2015 #19

I blame George Washington. He started everything. merrily Apr 2015 #55

+1 Enthusiast Apr 2015 #59

Well, if we're blaming people long dead for NAFTA, Korea and TPP, why not get to the root of it all? merrily Apr 2015 #67

True. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #68

Historians from both of the two largest parties rank FDR as one of the 10 best merrily Apr 2015 #70

When I was a small child I thought FDR was my grandfather. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #74

That must have been a great feeling! merrily Apr 2015 #75

Can you stop this bullshit about pretending that TPP has something to do with trade? eridani Apr 2015 #86

I was responding to a post about 'free trade' not about the TPP. pampango Apr 2015 #87

I've only run into one person in DU that actually tries to support the TPP with rhett o rick Apr 2015 #2

A third possible reason: denial. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #4

Yep - denial is a powerful thing. polichick Apr 2015 #6

Yes denial. Also fear. To make the changes we need we will need to take some big risks. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #8

Hero worship n2doc Apr 2015 #5

" There are apparently some Democrats that secretly believe in Trickle-Down. " merrily Apr 2015 #61

I have a third: Triana Apr 2015 #3

the reverse of guilt by association treestar Apr 2015 #7

Who are you calling "immature"? And is that necessary to make your point? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #10

oh relax. It's immature to be for/against something because someone else is for/against it. treestar Apr 2015 #11

So you are saying that we shouldn't automatically disagree with Republicons? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #12

How about 'facile,' then , to gauge one's life by what Republicans msanthrope Apr 2015 #17

Are we to automatically disagree with Jon Huntsman ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39

Give a 100 monkeys typwriters...... rhett o rick Apr 2015 #91

So we SHOULD just be reflexively opposed to any and every thing said or done by a republican? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #95

I am disappointed in this weird attempt at making some kind of point. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #99

I'm disappointed, though not surprised ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #102

Agreed... elzenmahn Apr 2015 #90

funny, I haven seen you sa that to those saying they trust the President cali Apr 2015 #13

No. This person is trying to get me to be against something we know nothing about treestar Apr 2015 #14

It's not fair for you to close your eyes and then say you don't know anything about rhett o rick Apr 2015 #23

Pretty simple concept ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #42

no his comment was puerile and specious Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #15

No. When Republicans are foursquare behind a thing. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #28

You are to kind ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #38

'The first question we ask is what is in it'! YES, exactly and that is what we and most of our Dem sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #18

I agree Andy823 Apr 2015 #22

Your logic doesn't make sense. The President is trying to keep it from us and that doesn't rhett o rick Apr 2015 #24

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #62

That's life. Andy823 Apr 2015 #88

Do you think the Pres is more reliable than all of those that oppose the TPP? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #89

Get real! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #60

I have a few more questions. PADemD Apr 2015 #9

Those are good questions, because they're excellent "wedge" questions Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #16

Here's a third question.. raindaddy Apr 2015 #20

With all respect to Dad ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #21

Sounds remarkably like the argument used by Climate Change deniers. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #25

Except we know what's in Climate Change science and most of us don't deny it. n/t pampango Apr 2015 #26

We also know what's in the TPP close enough to know it's bad for the 99%. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #29

"We may not know the details ..." And therein lies the devil (or the angel?). pampango Apr 2015 #31

We don't have to know what kind of train is coming to know we need to get off rhett o rick Apr 2015 #33

Can't argue with that logic. But don't blow the train up until you know what's on it pampango Apr 2015 #34

At least let's slow the train down so we can look at it's cargo. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #35

Can't argue with that either. We should and will look at the cargo. But I certainly don't want pampango Apr 2015 #41

Add the likes of ALEC and the Koch brothers to those who are pushing it. As for the Democratic base, merrily Apr 2015 #72

Koch Bros? haikugal Apr 2015 #65

Because scientists didn't try to keep their findings about climate change secret. To the contrary. merrily Apr 2015 #69

Not even close ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #36

Actually right on the money. TPP deniers refuse to believe evidence presented. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #37

Neither is blind fear. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #43

Fear isn't always bad. If you get punched in the face every time a "Free" Trade Agreement is signed, rhett o rick Apr 2015 #49

I choose not to live in fear (of the unknown) ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #51

Loyalty is good but not 840high Apr 2015 #94

"Loyalty" to facts and knowledge and using them to inform one's opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #96

Wishing you a good week-end. 840high Apr 2015 #98

Thank you. Enjoy yours as well. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #100

Republican congresspersons.. sendero Apr 2015 #44

It really is that simple. hifiguy Apr 2015 #27

TPP Deniers. They don't want the truth, they can't handle the truth. Blindly following Obama and rhett o rick Apr 2015 #30

Some people see Mitch McConnell as very convincing. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #64

Maybe Mrs. McConnell...................Naw! rhett o rick Apr 2015 #66

I need to answer only one question. Is everything open to scrutiny, transparent and truthful? Cleita Apr 2015 #32

Wouldn't it be swell if we could blindly trust our authoritarian leaders? But that's a rhett o rick Apr 2015 #40

Did you just see Ed Schultz? Cleita Apr 2015 #45

I didn't see it, but wish I had. Good for Sen Sanders and Big Ed Schultz. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #47

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #46

I'm posting from a mobile device and it's very difficult sometimes to get Cleita Apr 2015 #50

Unless I'm mistaken ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #54

Which translates into, just trust me. I never claimed he said it verbatim. Cleita Apr 2015 #56

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #58

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #48

Lee, Grayson, Warren and Sanders. merrily Apr 2015 #52

The Greeding of America . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #53

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #57

How about "Is Obama for it? If so, why?" DanTex Apr 2015 #63

All I see is a delaying action. haikugal Apr 2015 #71

The last sentence of your post seems hardest for anyone to accept, yet it is so obvious. merrily Apr 2015 #77

Yeah, I know what you mean. haikugal Apr 2015 #82

To play the devil's advocate for a minute... why do you suppose Senator Wyden supports it? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #73

Lee, Grayson, Sanders, Brown, Warren. merrily Apr 2015 #76

Which is not an answer to my question. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #78

You were making your point; I was making mine. merrily Apr 2015 #79

Icy. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #80

No, factual. Imaginative, on your part, though. merrily Apr 2015 #81

No, just a stupid language play on "I see" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #85

Bit more concerned about the private DirkGently Apr 2015 #84

K&R Your dad is right on. nt raouldukelives Apr 2015 #92

k/r for Dad 840high Apr 2015 #93

Actually, it may sound a little foolish to oppose something just because Republicans are for it, world wide wally Apr 2015 #97

Would you and your Dad rather have the Republicans oversee a trade deal? tridim Apr 2015 #101

This is what the USTR says ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #103