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DreamGypsy

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10. The video has some bogus banners...

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:12 PM

Apr 2015

...that say the two men "joined" al Qaeda.

They were both captured and held as hostages until their deaths by the U.S. counter-terrorism strike.

Sloppy journalism.

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Obama Drone Attack KILLS Ameicans and Italians. [View all] bvar22 Apr 2015 OP

Would you feel different if the airstrike was done by manned aircraft? Throd Apr 2015 #1

As was done in Vietnam? No, I would not. closeupready Apr 2015 #2

You're right. Wouldn't want to risk a military person's life. egduj Apr 2015 #4

I don't get this argument. Adrahil Apr 2015 #9

Ease of proliferation for one thing too cheap, safe, easy, and convenient for another. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #67

The technology is THERE. We can't stop its proliferation. It WILL happen. Adrahil Apr 2015 #91

The fuck we can't or at least seriously try. The technology for nuclear and chemical weapons exists TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #95

So, how do we stop the development of drone tech? Adrahil Apr 2015 #97

You don't see how using a drone to kill people from 3000 miles away is any different SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #72

Why put pilots at risk when you don't have to? Throd Apr 2015 #74

Because we have become a "shoot first" nation. SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #77

Nothing nonchalant about my attitude at all. Throd Apr 2015 #79

That's a POLITICAL issue, not a technological one. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #94

Nope, not really. I don't really see an ethical difference. Adrahil Apr 2015 #92

Napalm, cluster bombs, WP, and Land Mines were banned by the International Community, bvar22 Apr 2015 #88

Drones are no more a terror weapon than an airplane at 15,000 ft. Adrahil Apr 2015 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author egduj Apr 2015 #11

the risk is the same treestar Apr 2015 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #8

NO. bvar22 Apr 2015 #25

k and r nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #36

Ironically, missile/bomb strikes from conventional aircraft Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #51

"I've never fully understood what people have against attack drones" bvar22 Apr 2015 #56

just say you're against targeted airstrikes... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #58

I'm not the one "essentially saying" anything. bvar22 Apr 2015 #73

Oh, my mistake Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #86

And this time, solely because they are westerners Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #3

Yep. n/t demmiblue Apr 2015 #45

What treaties ban drones? n/t sharp_stick Apr 2015 #5

The buzz bombs of WWII were NOTHING like drones today. Adrahil Apr 2015 #6

The Buzz Bombs were STILL called Terror Weapons. bvar22 Apr 2015 #12

That's because buzz bombs worked very differently. Adrahil Apr 2015 #96

I guess all th civilians killed by drones are just "Collateral Damage". bvar22 Apr 2015 #111

Hey, my mom lived in Berlin 1938-1952.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #113

I heard him apologize and take full responsibility Octafish Apr 2015 #7

Thanks for posting that. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #13

The Drone Program creates enemies faster than it kills. Octafish Apr 2015 #40

It is not a problem (for the MIC), it is purposely done... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #52

that is such an important point questionseverything Apr 2015 #53

What does taking full responsibility mean? gratuitous Apr 2015 #14

it was not "indicriminate" nor was it on "unknown targets". KittyWampus Apr 2015 #31

Who decides whom to kill? Octafish Apr 2015 #37

The Executive was handed sole responsibility for war Skidmore Apr 2015 #47

Exactly. Like Erik Prince. Octafish Apr 2015 #63

THANK YOU. GOOD GOD. woo me with science Apr 2015 #59

Who talks about NSA on DU anymore? Octafish Apr 2015 #62

Weren't two of those citizens AQ combatants? I am not talking still_one Apr 2015 #101

There were Americans before...including a teenage kid. Octafish Apr 2015 #102

Did they join AQ? still_one Apr 2015 #103

Does it matter? Octafish Apr 2015 #105

Yes it does. still_one Apr 2015 #106

Me either PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #110

Well, they didn't know who they were targeting. So, yeah, "unknown targets." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #41

Perhaps I used imprecise words gratuitous Apr 2015 #54

Actually the targets WERE unknown philosslayer Apr 2015 #64

An ordinary citizen who murdered might take full responsibility by standing trial. Orsino Apr 2015 #65

Sincere Apologies, deep regret, and condolences to the families.. bvar22 Apr 2015 #16

''This only is denied to God: the power to undo the past.'' Octafish Apr 2015 #38

There are some deep flaws with our Drone Program. bvar22 Apr 2015 #23

It's taken a generation to transform a nation of freedom lovers into security anxious. Octafish Apr 2015 #39

The video has some bogus banners... DreamGypsy Apr 2015 #10

Read more closely. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #42

Thanks for the correction. DreamGypsy Apr 2015 #57

I doubt Obama was at the controls..... realFedUp Apr 2015 #15

OBama took "full repsponsibility", bvar22 Apr 2015 #18

Yeah, bvar. He's a trigger happy murderer, isn't he... KittyWampus Apr 2015 #29

Realistically realFedUp Apr 2015 #30

They both voluntarily visited a war zone knowing full well the risks involved 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #17

YOu say: bvar22 Apr 2015 #19

so why the attacks in India ? JI7 Apr 2015 #20

When it is OUR drone, bvar22 Apr 2015 #21

It's not so simple. terrorism affects the world JI7 Apr 2015 #24

Then get US the fuck out. bvar22 Apr 2015 #26

more people would have been killed without the us JI7 Apr 2015 #27

Are you sure about that? bvar22 Apr 2015 #68

i was talking about Pakistan JI7 Apr 2015 #84

We are the ones defending & backing Saudi fucking Arabia JonLP24 Apr 2015 #28

pakistan and saudi Arabia have a relationship also JI7 Apr 2015 #33

and its not good JonLP24 Apr 2015 #34

What we are fighting right now is blow back. ISIS is a creation of the Iraq war. And I think you are jwirr Apr 2015 #22

I wonder how you weigh the likelihood of being killed in a drone strike by your own government. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #43

Dying in a drone strike or getting my head hacked off by ISIS/Al Qaeda. Hmmm! The choices... 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #46

Those guys managed to stay alive in Al Qaeda captivity for three and five years, respectively. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #48

I don't care about how noble their cause might have been... 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #55

They would be alive today bvar22 Apr 2015 #71

Or they could have just set them free. Throd Apr 2015 #75

This is why it's always hard to rely on informants sendit Apr 2015 #32

Terrible. I only hope they went quick and painless, unlike... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #35

Not with the President on this tiredtoo Apr 2015 #44

At least he owned up to it instead of covering it up... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #49

K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #60

kick woo me with science Apr 2015 #61

Are drone strikes killing more civilians than manned air strikes in other wars? We have always jwirr Apr 2015 #66

And civilian deaths are NOT OK just because we've done it before. bvar22 Apr 2015 #69

No one said they are. I am asking about the type of bombers used. Is one worse than the other? jwirr Apr 2015 #70

That makes NO difference to the DEAD, or to me. bvar22 Apr 2015 #82

I have been anti war since the 60s. For heavens sake I am only looking for imformation. Apparently jwirr Apr 2015 #89

here's the figure I have read: EX500rider Apr 2015 #99

Thank you. That is the info I was asking for. Doesn't make war any better but it gives us a better jwirr Apr 2015 #100

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #76

You do know, of course, the US didn't even know Weinstein and Lo Porto were at the compound NuclearDem Apr 2015 #78

You DO know that if the intelligenc is THAT bad, bvar22 Apr 2015 #80

Based on that it was an al-Qaeda compound. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #81

Its never OUR fault that we launch bombs at inhabitants of other countries. bvar22 Apr 2015 #83

And, naturally, you change the subject. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #87

What assertion? bvar22 Apr 2015 #90

"Do you deny that Dr. Warren Weinsteinand Giovanni Lo Porto where killed in this Drone Strike?" NuclearDem Apr 2015 #98

This dumb ass shit is going come back and bite us. JEB Apr 2015 #85

The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas kiva Apr 2015 #104

I'm not sure Ursula LeGuin is relevant to this particular hostage situation. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #107

I'm thinking of the ones who aren't walking away. kiva Apr 2015 #109

They were being held against their will, as hostages. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #108

It Was 1 American Hostage, Not Americans & 1 Italian Hostage Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #112