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14. What does taking full responsibility mean?

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:20 PM

Apr 2015

Indiscriminate bombing of unknown targets would seem to be negligent homicide at the very least. Or did we get it all when President Obama said, "There is nothing that I can ever say or do." Yes, that quote is taken out of context, but it really sums up our nation's attitude toward its murderously reckless ways. We're not going to say or do anything substantive about the people responsible for the deaths of Weinstein and Lo Porto. We're going to continue blowing people to Kingdom Come based on little more than one person's say-so, and call that justice for terrorists (who apparently aren't deserving of any of those namby-pamby "due process" or "right to trial" optional considerations).

I still cannot trim my ideals and my faith in the black letter of the Constitution to fit this year's, this decade's, this century's or this millennium's fashion.

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Obama Drone Attack KILLS Ameicans and Italians. [View all] bvar22 Apr 2015 OP

Would you feel different if the airstrike was done by manned aircraft? Throd Apr 2015 #1

As was done in Vietnam? No, I would not. closeupready Apr 2015 #2

You're right. Wouldn't want to risk a military person's life. egduj Apr 2015 #4

I don't get this argument. Adrahil Apr 2015 #9

Ease of proliferation for one thing too cheap, safe, easy, and convenient for another. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #67

The technology is THERE. We can't stop its proliferation. It WILL happen. Adrahil Apr 2015 #91

The fuck we can't or at least seriously try. The technology for nuclear and chemical weapons exists TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #95

So, how do we stop the development of drone tech? Adrahil Apr 2015 #97

You don't see how using a drone to kill people from 3000 miles away is any different SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #72

Why put pilots at risk when you don't have to? Throd Apr 2015 #74

Because we have become a "shoot first" nation. SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #77

Nothing nonchalant about my attitude at all. Throd Apr 2015 #79

That's a POLITICAL issue, not a technological one. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #94

Nope, not really. I don't really see an ethical difference. Adrahil Apr 2015 #92

Napalm, cluster bombs, WP, and Land Mines were banned by the International Community, bvar22 Apr 2015 #88

Drones are no more a terror weapon than an airplane at 15,000 ft. Adrahil Apr 2015 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author egduj Apr 2015 #11

the risk is the same treestar Apr 2015 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #8

NO. bvar22 Apr 2015 #25

k and r nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #36

Ironically, missile/bomb strikes from conventional aircraft Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #51

"I've never fully understood what people have against attack drones" bvar22 Apr 2015 #56

just say you're against targeted airstrikes... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #58

I'm not the one "essentially saying" anything. bvar22 Apr 2015 #73

Oh, my mistake Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #86

And this time, solely because they are westerners Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #3

Yep. n/t demmiblue Apr 2015 #45

What treaties ban drones? n/t sharp_stick Apr 2015 #5

The buzz bombs of WWII were NOTHING like drones today. Adrahil Apr 2015 #6

The Buzz Bombs were STILL called Terror Weapons. bvar22 Apr 2015 #12

That's because buzz bombs worked very differently. Adrahil Apr 2015 #96

I guess all th civilians killed by drones are just "Collateral Damage". bvar22 Apr 2015 #111

Hey, my mom lived in Berlin 1938-1952.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #113

I heard him apologize and take full responsibility Octafish Apr 2015 #7

Thanks for posting that. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #13

The Drone Program creates enemies faster than it kills. Octafish Apr 2015 #40

It is not a problem (for the MIC), it is purposely done... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #52

that is such an important point questionseverything Apr 2015 #53

What does taking full responsibility mean? gratuitous Apr 2015 #14

it was not "indicriminate" nor was it on "unknown targets". KittyWampus Apr 2015 #31

Who decides whom to kill? Octafish Apr 2015 #37

The Executive was handed sole responsibility for war Skidmore Apr 2015 #47

Exactly. Like Erik Prince. Octafish Apr 2015 #63

THANK YOU. GOOD GOD. woo me with science Apr 2015 #59

Who talks about NSA on DU anymore? Octafish Apr 2015 #62

Weren't two of those citizens AQ combatants? I am not talking still_one Apr 2015 #101

There were Americans before...including a teenage kid. Octafish Apr 2015 #102

Did they join AQ? still_one Apr 2015 #103

Does it matter? Octafish Apr 2015 #105

Yes it does. still_one Apr 2015 #106

Me either PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #110

Well, they didn't know who they were targeting. So, yeah, "unknown targets." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #41

Perhaps I used imprecise words gratuitous Apr 2015 #54

Actually the targets WERE unknown philosslayer Apr 2015 #64

An ordinary citizen who murdered might take full responsibility by standing trial. Orsino Apr 2015 #65

Sincere Apologies, deep regret, and condolences to the families.. bvar22 Apr 2015 #16

''This only is denied to God: the power to undo the past.'' Octafish Apr 2015 #38

There are some deep flaws with our Drone Program. bvar22 Apr 2015 #23

It's taken a generation to transform a nation of freedom lovers into security anxious. Octafish Apr 2015 #39

The video has some bogus banners... DreamGypsy Apr 2015 #10

Read more closely. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #42

Thanks for the correction. DreamGypsy Apr 2015 #57

I doubt Obama was at the controls..... realFedUp Apr 2015 #15

OBama took "full repsponsibility", bvar22 Apr 2015 #18

Yeah, bvar. He's a trigger happy murderer, isn't he... KittyWampus Apr 2015 #29

Realistically realFedUp Apr 2015 #30

They both voluntarily visited a war zone knowing full well the risks involved 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #17

YOu say: bvar22 Apr 2015 #19

so why the attacks in India ? JI7 Apr 2015 #20

When it is OUR drone, bvar22 Apr 2015 #21

It's not so simple. terrorism affects the world JI7 Apr 2015 #24

Then get US the fuck out. bvar22 Apr 2015 #26

more people would have been killed without the us JI7 Apr 2015 #27

Are you sure about that? bvar22 Apr 2015 #68

i was talking about Pakistan JI7 Apr 2015 #84

We are the ones defending & backing Saudi fucking Arabia JonLP24 Apr 2015 #28

pakistan and saudi Arabia have a relationship also JI7 Apr 2015 #33

and its not good JonLP24 Apr 2015 #34

What we are fighting right now is blow back. ISIS is a creation of the Iraq war. And I think you are jwirr Apr 2015 #22

I wonder how you weigh the likelihood of being killed in a drone strike by your own government. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #43

Dying in a drone strike or getting my head hacked off by ISIS/Al Qaeda. Hmmm! The choices... 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #46

Those guys managed to stay alive in Al Qaeda captivity for three and five years, respectively. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #48

I don't care about how noble their cause might have been... 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #55

They would be alive today bvar22 Apr 2015 #71

Or they could have just set them free. Throd Apr 2015 #75

This is why it's always hard to rely on informants sendit Apr 2015 #32

Terrible. I only hope they went quick and painless, unlike... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #35

Not with the President on this tiredtoo Apr 2015 #44

At least he owned up to it instead of covering it up... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #49

K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #60

kick woo me with science Apr 2015 #61

Are drone strikes killing more civilians than manned air strikes in other wars? We have always jwirr Apr 2015 #66

And civilian deaths are NOT OK just because we've done it before. bvar22 Apr 2015 #69

No one said they are. I am asking about the type of bombers used. Is one worse than the other? jwirr Apr 2015 #70

That makes NO difference to the DEAD, or to me. bvar22 Apr 2015 #82

I have been anti war since the 60s. For heavens sake I am only looking for imformation. Apparently jwirr Apr 2015 #89

here's the figure I have read: EX500rider Apr 2015 #99

Thank you. That is the info I was asking for. Doesn't make war any better but it gives us a better jwirr Apr 2015 #100

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #76

You do know, of course, the US didn't even know Weinstein and Lo Porto were at the compound NuclearDem Apr 2015 #78

You DO know that if the intelligenc is THAT bad, bvar22 Apr 2015 #80

Based on that it was an al-Qaeda compound. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #81

Its never OUR fault that we launch bombs at inhabitants of other countries. bvar22 Apr 2015 #83

And, naturally, you change the subject. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #87

What assertion? bvar22 Apr 2015 #90

"Do you deny that Dr. Warren Weinsteinand Giovanni Lo Porto where killed in this Drone Strike?" NuclearDem Apr 2015 #98

This dumb ass shit is going come back and bite us. JEB Apr 2015 #85

The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas kiva Apr 2015 #104

I'm not sure Ursula LeGuin is relevant to this particular hostage situation. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #107

I'm thinking of the ones who aren't walking away. kiva Apr 2015 #109

They were being held against their will, as hostages. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #108

It Was 1 American Hostage, Not Americans & 1 Italian Hostage Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #112