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In reply to the discussion: Obama Drone Attack KILLS Ameicans and Italians. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)39. It's taken a generation to transform a nation of freedom lovers into security anxious.
A journalist friend said if NSA spying on everyone, so be it, it's OK with her as she has nothing to hide. I asked if she was worried that she's connected to people who may be, simply by having telephoned the same number, or being in an electronic Rolodex somewhere, and she said that's nothing to worry about. I didn't have the heart to tell her about Hannah Arendt:
The Last Gasp of American Democracy
By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014
EXCERPT...
The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.
I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasithe Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the shield and sword of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.
The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the populationone for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in Americas black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.
[font color="green"]The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is not, in the end, to discover crimes, but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population. And because Americans emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough evidence to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. [/font green]
The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.
CONTINUED...
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105
It's getting close to complete, going from the agitation caused by merely questioning the policies and motivations of the elected leadership.
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Ease of proliferation for one thing too cheap, safe, easy, and convenient for another.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#67
The fuck we can't or at least seriously try. The technology for nuclear and chemical weapons exists
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#95
You don't see how using a drone to kill people from 3000 miles away is any different
SomethingFishy
Apr 2015
#72
Napalm, cluster bombs, WP, and Land Mines were banned by the International Community,
bvar22
Apr 2015
#88
Well, they didn't know who they were targeting. So, yeah, "unknown targets."
Comrade Grumpy
Apr 2015
#41
An ordinary citizen who murdered might take full responsibility by standing trial.
Orsino
Apr 2015
#65
It's taken a generation to transform a nation of freedom lovers into security anxious.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#39
They both voluntarily visited a war zone knowing full well the risks involved
951-Riverside
Apr 2015
#17
What we are fighting right now is blow back. ISIS is a creation of the Iraq war. And I think you are
jwirr
Apr 2015
#22
I wonder how you weigh the likelihood of being killed in a drone strike by your own government.
Comrade Grumpy
Apr 2015
#43
Dying in a drone strike or getting my head hacked off by ISIS/Al Qaeda. Hmmm! The choices...
951-Riverside
Apr 2015
#46
Those guys managed to stay alive in Al Qaeda captivity for three and five years, respectively.
Comrade Grumpy
Apr 2015
#48
Are drone strikes killing more civilians than manned air strikes in other wars? We have always
jwirr
Apr 2015
#66
No one said they are. I am asking about the type of bombers used. Is one worse than the other?
jwirr
Apr 2015
#70
I have been anti war since the 60s. For heavens sake I am only looking for imformation. Apparently
jwirr
Apr 2015
#89
Thank you. That is the info I was asking for. Doesn't make war any better but it gives us a better
jwirr
Apr 2015
#100
You do know, of course, the US didn't even know Weinstein and Lo Porto were at the compound
NuclearDem
Apr 2015
#78
"Do you deny that Dr. Warren Weinsteinand Giovanni Lo Porto where killed in this Drone Strike?"
NuclearDem
Apr 2015
#98
I'm not sure Ursula LeGuin is relevant to this particular hostage situation.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#107