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In reply to the discussion: Obama Drone Attack KILLS Ameicans and Italians. [View all]Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)41. Well, they didn't know who they were targeting. So, yeah, "unknown targets."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/american-italian-hostages-killed-in-cia-drone-strike-in-january-1429795801
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The CIA had been closely monitoring the suspected al Qaeda compound in Pakistans tribal areas for weeks leading up to the strike that killed the two hostages. The agency collected hundreds of hours of surveillance. Then, a few days before the strike was launched, that surveillance was increased, giving the CIA near-constant visibility of the site and those entering it, Obama administration officials said.
At no point during that extended period of surveillance did the U.S. spy agency detect the presence of the two hostages or of any other civilians inside the compound, which they thought was being used by al Qaeda militants, the officials said. U.S. intelligence agencies now believe al Qaeda took extraordinary measures to keep the hostages out of sight.
Along with Messrs. Weinstein and Lo Porto, the strike on the compound killed Ahmed Farouq, an al Qaeda leader and American citizen, the officials said. The CIA had observed what they believed to be a senior al Qaeda member entering the compound in the days just before the strike but intelligence analysts didnt know it was Mr. Farouq, the officials said. Similarly, the CIA didnt know that Mr. Gadahn was at the compound that it bombed later in January.
The White House normally would need to seek special legal clearances to directly target American citizens suspected of plotting attacks against the U.S. That process didnt apply in these cases because Messrs. Farouq and Gadahn werent being directly targeted in the operations, officials said.
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The CIA had been closely monitoring the suspected al Qaeda compound in Pakistans tribal areas for weeks leading up to the strike that killed the two hostages. The agency collected hundreds of hours of surveillance. Then, a few days before the strike was launched, that surveillance was increased, giving the CIA near-constant visibility of the site and those entering it, Obama administration officials said.
At no point during that extended period of surveillance did the U.S. spy agency detect the presence of the two hostages or of any other civilians inside the compound, which they thought was being used by al Qaeda militants, the officials said. U.S. intelligence agencies now believe al Qaeda took extraordinary measures to keep the hostages out of sight.
Along with Messrs. Weinstein and Lo Porto, the strike on the compound killed Ahmed Farouq, an al Qaeda leader and American citizen, the officials said. The CIA had observed what they believed to be a senior al Qaeda member entering the compound in the days just before the strike but intelligence analysts didnt know it was Mr. Farouq, the officials said. Similarly, the CIA didnt know that Mr. Gadahn was at the compound that it bombed later in January.
The White House normally would need to seek special legal clearances to directly target American citizens suspected of plotting attacks against the U.S. That process didnt apply in these cases because Messrs. Farouq and Gadahn werent being directly targeted in the operations, officials said.
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Ease of proliferation for one thing too cheap, safe, easy, and convenient for another.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#67
The fuck we can't or at least seriously try. The technology for nuclear and chemical weapons exists
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#95
You don't see how using a drone to kill people from 3000 miles away is any different
SomethingFishy
Apr 2015
#72
Napalm, cluster bombs, WP, and Land Mines were banned by the International Community,
bvar22
Apr 2015
#88
Well, they didn't know who they were targeting. So, yeah, "unknown targets."
Comrade Grumpy
Apr 2015
#41
An ordinary citizen who murdered might take full responsibility by standing trial.
Orsino
Apr 2015
#65
It's taken a generation to transform a nation of freedom lovers into security anxious.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#39
They both voluntarily visited a war zone knowing full well the risks involved
951-Riverside
Apr 2015
#17
What we are fighting right now is blow back. ISIS is a creation of the Iraq war. And I think you are
jwirr
Apr 2015
#22
I wonder how you weigh the likelihood of being killed in a drone strike by your own government.
Comrade Grumpy
Apr 2015
#43
Dying in a drone strike or getting my head hacked off by ISIS/Al Qaeda. Hmmm! The choices...
951-Riverside
Apr 2015
#46
Those guys managed to stay alive in Al Qaeda captivity for three and five years, respectively.
Comrade Grumpy
Apr 2015
#48
Are drone strikes killing more civilians than manned air strikes in other wars? We have always
jwirr
Apr 2015
#66
No one said they are. I am asking about the type of bombers used. Is one worse than the other?
jwirr
Apr 2015
#70
I have been anti war since the 60s. For heavens sake I am only looking for imformation. Apparently
jwirr
Apr 2015
#89
Thank you. That is the info I was asking for. Doesn't make war any better but it gives us a better
jwirr
Apr 2015
#100
You do know, of course, the US didn't even know Weinstein and Lo Porto were at the compound
NuclearDem
Apr 2015
#78
"Do you deny that Dr. Warren Weinsteinand Giovanni Lo Porto where killed in this Drone Strike?"
NuclearDem
Apr 2015
#98
I'm not sure Ursula LeGuin is relevant to this particular hostage situation.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#107