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karynnj

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64. Clinton cash is coming from a right wing source, but the bigger question is what is the truth?

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:58 PM

Apr 2015

Did she violate the letter or spirit of her agreement with Obama? That agreement really bound both Bill and Hillary - just as similar agreements meant that John Kerry's wife agreed to divest from certain types of stock (even though their finances are separate.)

I KNOW the agreement is not legally binding, but if it were violated -- and the tax forms contained errors that just happen to hide that, it goes to character. Character IS, in and of itself, an issue. What I want in a candidate is someone whose values I mostly agree with, who I respect as intelligent and who I think has integrity. I know with any candidate, if he/she becomes President, there will be times I disagree, but if all these three things are met, the President will still be someone I can defend and respect.

Part of the problem with this particular claim is that it echoes past problems with the Clintons skirting on the edge of what is acceptable.

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To DU members who oppose Hillary Clinton [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 OP

OK, Issues it shall be. With credit to another DUer: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #1

That's legitimate criticism and the criticism you levy deserves to be vigorously debated./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #2

How is that legit criticism? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #34

Her record shall be her demise. She changes statements to suit her audience. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #89

+1000 Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #114

Exactly right. Hillary's record shows she's always late to the party or a no-show altogether when it comes to progressive isues. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #154

Looks like quote mining. Buzz cook Apr 2015 #166

Businesses and corporations dont create jobs? Telcontar Apr 2015 #180

Semantics Buzz cook Apr 2015 #188

Well said. Thanks for posting. nt el_bryanto Apr 2015 #6

Her 2016 platform hasn't even been released. procon Apr 2015 #38

I will not be weighing campaign rhetoric very heavily. merrily Apr 2015 #66

Do you expect her to have policies that don't appeal to the voters? procon Apr 2015 #76

Yes. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #84

Certainly she has a long political history. procon Apr 2015 #94

Her campaign rhetoric will be in keeping with today's issues, but I don't expect a change in merrily Apr 2015 #98

+1 And, she was in the public eye (and on the board of WalMart) even before that. merrily Apr 2015 #95

Apparently, you did not understand my post. merrily Apr 2015 #92

Anything is possible. nt procon Apr 2015 #96

Trust me. Hillary Clinton will make Obama look like a socialist. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #131

Not too stupid to mesh with progressive, just not interested in us, she's a corporatist. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #80

Simple solution: just find another candidate who's more electable. procon Apr 2015 #88

That's exactly what we are doing. nt NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #90

Who is more electable? procon Apr 2015 #101

Too soon to tell. Carter looked very electable running against Reagan: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #115

It's not too soon. procon Apr 2015 #120

Someone like Warren would do well with less money, appeal to a very broad demographic. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #121

They really don't have that much recognition. procon Apr 2015 #125

Appeal as measured among people who know her. Different from name recognition. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #127

Anything is possible; best of luck then. nt procon Apr 2015 #130

Everybody in Iowa knows WHO Sanders and Warren are, bvar22 Apr 2015 #174

There are more than two choices... I hate liars Apr 2015 #93

Hillary versus a Fighter for the Middle Class. FMC would trounce her. nt NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #116

if you take politicians at their word, they will take you. yurbud Apr 2015 #152

+1000 jonno99 Apr 2015 #161

Yes. 840high Apr 2015 #168

NOT "Idle conjecture" bvar22 Apr 2015 #173

Well Spotted! imthevicar Apr 2015 #43

NYC SKP SoapBox Apr 2015 #48

What s/he said.^^^^ zentrum Apr 2015 #52

Such shallow criticism. joshcryer Apr 2015 #72

Are these "Party Planks"? bvar22 Apr 2015 #184

And "trust" is a character trait demwing Apr 2015 #74

Thank You. bvar22 Apr 2015 #79

I was going to ask how sad it is that off the top of my head I can add issues to the list hootinholler Apr 2015 #123

Anybody who still thinks there is no difference between Hilary (or any other Democrat) and a world wide wally Apr 2015 #156

Can you please document with links those DUers who say: bvar22 Apr 2015 #175

Apparently you didn't read the first reply to this OP world wide wally Apr 2015 #181

As with other DUers, we do know how the attacks from their side works and we do know how to ignore monmouth4 Apr 2015 #3

Thank's for helping to make the OP's point. William769 Apr 2015 #5

Hmm, he said SHOVING down throat...OK< so a republican who WILL win if we dont vote for our NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #54

The hatred shown was my point also the point of the OP. William769 Apr 2015 #62

Their was no hatred shown demwing Apr 2015 #82

How to express my reaction to the hyperbole of your post w/o getting into trouble? 1monster Apr 2015 #110

I did not see hatred. 840high Apr 2015 #169

I saw no "hatred". bvar22 Apr 2015 #176

No one is trying to shove her down your throat. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #126

Excellent OP. cwydro Apr 2015 #4

We don't need "character attacks to the Republicans" We just need to shout out their records libdem4life Apr 2015 #7

Fact based - GOPs especially on their anti-American Iliyah Apr 2015 #59

KnR sheshe2 Apr 2015 #8

What, in your opinion, are MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #56

When GOP's Broken Clock tells the correct time twice a day 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #9

motive is as important as the facts Sheepshank Apr 2015 #12

And if they attack her on policies it invalidates that for us. zeemike Apr 2015 #85

That's my point exactly. 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #105

I limit my criticisms to policy issues. Maedhros Apr 2015 #10

Agreed - they are already attacking her so this is not going to be an easy win. jwirr Apr 2015 #11

Look what they did to Kerry and Obama. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #14

If HRC wins the Democratic Primary I wonder how the GOP/RW/Libertarian Iliyah Apr 2015 #40

What is worse ? Turning your opponent into a joke or a miscreant? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #46

on the contrary, I think it will be a comfortable win. which is why she should be pushed to Doctor_J Apr 2015 #22

On that I also agree with you. What I was referring to was the so called scandals that the Rs are jwirr Apr 2015 #26

It's unrealistic to expect a comfortable win in today's political landscape BainsBane Apr 2015 #29

I have been hearing "Your Slow steady message" for 50 years. In that time the "Leadership"of the Vincardog Apr 2015 #111

What slow, steady message? BainsBane Apr 2015 #119

I want the Democratic Party Platform to include: 1 Federal financing of all Federal Elections. Vincardog Apr 2015 #134

Great BainsBane Apr 2015 #136

IA is a caucus state, I have already started the Discussion with my local Democratic party Vincardog Apr 2015 #138

I tend to be issue oriented, but I am damned tired of being told what to post and what not to post. merrily Apr 2015 #13

i believe it was a request. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #16

Potayto, pohtahto. merrily Apr 2015 #18

I am sad./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #20

I as well. merrily Apr 2015 #24

Why?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #28

I haven't seen DU threads calling her a lesbian, witch, or murderer yurbud Apr 2015 #15

I have seen her called a witch here DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #19

Not fer nuttin, but the TOS apply to pm's as well. merrily Apr 2015 #25

I didn't even come close to suggesting you were the poster who called her a witch... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #32

The disclaimer was not for your benefit. Obviously, you know I was not the poster involved. merrily Apr 2015 #35

I swear on a stack of Bibles it wasn't you. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #37

I totally believe you that I didn't post that! merrily Apr 2015 #39

PS About pm's, They are not private. They are subject to perusal. merrily Apr 2015 #44

Wow, TY DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #49

I imagine you can ask Skinner in Ask the Admins. merrily Apr 2015 #63

There has been some very ugly stuff BainsBane Apr 2015 #36

GOPers got a smoking gun on Benghazi, seriously. Iliyah Apr 2015 #45

I often can't tell if people are serious around here anymore BainsBane Apr 2015 #47

Its not a joke. Iliyah Apr 2015 #65

Well, I am sorry then BainsBane Apr 2015 #69

I can't think of what that would be apart from stuff that would tar both parties yurbud Apr 2015 #151

Clinton cash is coming from a right wing source, but the bigger question is what is the truth? karynnj Apr 2015 #64

How is that a big question? BainsBane Apr 2015 #67

I agree completely that the best answer is getting all money out of politics karynnj Apr 2015 #73

Okay BainsBane Apr 2015 #75

....and maybe some of us just resent the Vote that killed a MILLION Iraqis. bvar22 Apr 2015 #83

A legitimate concern BainsBane Apr 2015 #107

"Stepford wife" is my favorite. joshcryer Apr 2015 #78

We need to be aware of the objective basis for some of the negatives the GOP is putting out leveymg Apr 2015 #17

If there is a basis in right wing criticism of Clinton, it is not in either Benghaaaazi or in... Buzz cook Apr 2015 #167

I don't ride that way (personal attacks). mmonk Apr 2015 #21

agreed cali Apr 2015 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #27

I don't believe the GOP attacks for the most part Politicalboi Apr 2015 #30

Your fight is not with us. Baitball Blogger Apr 2015 #31

It was a request and not a fight. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #42

I posed the question on DU in 2007 is Obama a ploy to take HILLARY OUT ? orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #33

I just hope that people question every attack made against Hillary. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #41

The Ed Show just did a whole segment based on "Clinton Cash" procon Apr 2015 #61

I don't watch him so I don't know if he is a fan or not of Hillary but he should know better. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #68

He very likely does - but that does NOT mean there is no issue there karynnj Apr 2015 #77

Carville's response was spot on. procon Apr 2015 #81

If it is a smear, NO -- if it is something that really is poor judgment or worse, then it needs to karynnj Apr 2015 #87

In his spare time, bvar22 Apr 2015 #91

Oh my, how very Reaganesque of him. nt procon Apr 2015 #102

Issues are issues... Oktober Apr 2015 #50

I agree with you that Republicans will do what they can to stop any Democrat karynnj Apr 2015 #51

There are members right here on DU that post nothing but relentless hit pieces on HRC. Lil Missy Apr 2015 #53

What I have a big problem with here on DU SheilaT Apr 2015 #55

brings back bad memories of 2007-08 carolinayellowdog Apr 2015 #103

+1. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2015 #104

I have a similar problem Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #109

People have told you to sit down and be quiet? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #113

Basically, yes. SheilaT Apr 2015 #158

We advocate for her just like you advocate against her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #160

My concern is that those advocating for her SheilaT Apr 2015 #164

I am concerned that some are blinded by their dislike of her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #165

AMEN!!! Laser102 Apr 2015 #57

We have at least two Benghazi comments in this thread BainsBane Apr 2015 #58

So why nominate a candidate when we already know that Republicans JDPriestly Apr 2015 #60

I'm On The Same Page... AND ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #97

What if "character" IS an issue? demwing Apr 2015 #70

I Think I'm Missing Your Point... ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #71

7 elections, 4 of which we won. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #86

In all the reading of DU I have yet to see the post some claim are rampant here. zeemike Apr 2015 #99

"it is something she was involved in" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #100

She was SOS... zeemike Apr 2015 #106

Oh bull. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #122

It was tragic... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #128

That is not what she is responsible for. zeemike Apr 2015 #135

ambassadors ambassadate. That's their job. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #137

She has no culpability...only responsibility. zeemike Apr 2015 #143

He knew the risk. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #139

I am sure he did. zeemike Apr 2015 #141

It means that he took the risk and unfortunately he died. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #142

And she made the decision...and is responsible for that only. zeemike Apr 2015 #144

And that means? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #145

Just what it says...it is not that hard to understand. zeemike Apr 2015 #147

And does this disqualify her in your view? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #148

Not at all. zeemike Apr 2015 #149

No one is censoring anything. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #150

Benghazi was a backwater embassy, far from the Capital Embassy in Tripoli. bvar22 Apr 2015 #177

There were several Republican led inquiries of Benghazi and they all clear her of any malfeasance. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #118

Well of course it is harassment...what did you expect? zeemike Apr 2015 #140

You can always start an op on her and Benghazi if you want. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #124

Well I don't want to...it is a non issue IMO zeemike Apr 2015 #132

My pleasure. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #133

Most of the "attacks" on Clinton are issue based eridani Apr 2015 #108

I would not oppose any Dem or I who wants to run project_bluebook Apr 2015 #112

so nice to see this marym625 Apr 2015 #117

I used to love checking Pollster polls to see Obama catching up to HRC's big lead NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #153

ha! marym625 Apr 2015 #155

Some people think that the candidate became official when she announced, that we should "lockdown". NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #157

ABSOLUTELY! marym625 Apr 2015 #159

After Iowa where even Edwards beat her, I agreed. bvar22 Apr 2015 #178

yep marym625 Apr 2015 #183

Yes. bravenak Apr 2015 #171

Thanks bravenak! marym625 Apr 2015 #182

Oh yeah? I kinda like it. bravenak Apr 2015 #185

lol! marym625 Apr 2015 #186

Always. bravenak Apr 2015 #187

The purists always attack Hillary with the latest right wing lie workinclasszero Apr 2015 #129

What you said, and good luck with that. Hekate Apr 2015 #146

Well you're definitely promote Hillary, with almost every post! Nt Logical Apr 2015 #162

I comment on a veritable potpourri of topics but this topic is dear to my heart. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #163

I've noticed. 840high Apr 2015 #170

I oppose HRC LWolf Apr 2015 #172

You're being unrealistic about the primary process. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #179