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KittyWampus

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50. The comparison is exact. And if you aren't aware of premarin/breast cancer link
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:42 PM
Apr 2015

one can only imagine you are a male and not involved with a woman who has ever had to deal with menopause.

In that case:

https://nwhn.org/menopause-hormone-therapy-and-breast-cancer
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I could go on and post links to stories about anti-depressants that work as placebo:
How do antidepressants compare to placebos?

In general, the efficacy of a drug is defined by how it differs from placebo. More than two dozen antidepressants have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) based on trials in which the drug is better than placebo. Sometimes the differences are small. Sometimes only positive results have been selected for submission to FDA. And sometimes the placebo effects are profound. For reasons that are not entirely clear, placebo effects have increased markedly over the past two decades in trials of psychiatric medications.

Mild depression tends to improve on placebo so that the difference between antidepressant use and placebo effect is very small, or at times, absent. In more severe forms of depression, antidepressants show greater efficacy. It is important to note that these clinical studies have primarily focused on reducing the symptoms of depression and not on a broader range of potential outcomes (such as changes in everyday functions, cognitive abilities, quality of life, etc.). In addition, because clinical trials are conducted in a controlled environment, they do not necessarily reflect the way actual clinical practice operates. And even under research conditions, clinical trials for antidepressants use rating scales that may be weak or imprecise indicators of efficacy.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2011/antidepressants-a-complicated-picture.shtml

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And then the statin scam

Do You Really Need That Statin? This Expert Says No:

Barbara H. Roberts, M.D., is director of the Women's Cardiac Center at the Miriam Hospital in Providence, R.I. and associate clinical professor of medicine at the Alpert Medical School of Brown University. She spent two years at the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), where she was involved in the first clinical trial that demonstrated a beneficial effect of lowering cholesterol on the incidence of heart disease. In addition to The Truth About Statins: Risks and Alternatives to Cholesterol-Lowering Drugs, she is also author of How to Keep From Breaking Your Heart: What Every Woman Needs to Know About Cardiovascular Disease.

Martha Rosenberg: Statins have become so popular with adults middle-aged and older in industrialized countries, they are almost a pharmaceutical rite of passage. Yet you write in your new book there is little evidence they are effective in many groups and no evidence they are effective in one group: women without heart disease. Worse, you provide evidence, including stories from your own patients, that they are doing serious harm.

Barbara Roberts: Yes. Every week in my practice I see patients with serious side effects to statins, and many did not need to be treated with statins in the first place. These side effects range from debilitating muscle and joint pain to transient global amnesia, neuropathy, cognitive dysfunction, fatigue and muscle weakness. Most of these symptoms subside or improve when they are taken off statins. There is even growing evidence of a statin link to Lou Gehrig's disease.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-rosenberg/statins_b_1818370.html


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As for asking for a link to pharmaceuticals bribing doctors- I can only wonder at such a complete lack of awareness of what goes on in medicine. That you'd be so unaware stretches credulity.

GlaxoSmithKline fined $3bn after bribing doctors to increase drugs sales:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/03/glaxosmithkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticals

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and the majority of doctors taking bribes from pharmaceutical companies to peddle KittyWampus Apr 2015 #11
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giving women breast cancer via premarin is science? LOL KittyWampus Apr 2015 #43
Again, you're addressing shady business practices. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #45
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The comparison is exact. And if you aren't aware of premarin/breast cancer link KittyWampus Apr 2015 #50
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