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Ed Suspicious

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109. I've had this epiphany as well. When I realized that I was part of the ownership society for the

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:42 PM

Apr 2015

end of my life working against the working man's society in my current life. Getting us all to accept the 401k as our primary retirement security system was a stroke of genius by the capitalists. Getting us to fight against our own improved salaries and working conditions as because the market says it's better that way . . . makes me feel sick that I participate in this shit.

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Oh Shit... 'Democrats' Frustration With Obama Boils Over In Trade Battle' - HuffPo [View all] WillyT Apr 2015 OP

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #1

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Where was this zeal when universal healthcare was on the table? Scuba Apr 2015 #28

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^^^^ this.... SSDD haikugal Apr 2015 #47

It couldn't be any more clear. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #58

Caller ties Obama with Commericial Club Of Chicago Rockyj Apr 2015 #99

That's what I was going to ask Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #40

Oh the zeal at least for single payer was there , unfortunately like now, it was on the wrong side. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #96

Obama knew the Clintons failed and needed to appease insurance co's. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #130

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE Cosmocat Apr 2015 #140

shades of Bill Clinton and NAFTA. He's been bbgrunt Apr 2015 #35

This is President Obama's Legacy. 99Forever Apr 2015 #3

I think he may also see it as something of a 'closing of the circle' on his life HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #6

Permanently damaging the Democratic Party might actually be part of the goal. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #59

Destroy the Democratic Party and, don't forget, make himself extremely wealthy after he retires. pampango Apr 2015 #61

That was one of the DLC's openly stated goals. Marr Apr 2015 #86

'...freeing candidates from traditional constituencies to allow for pro-business policy' Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #106

Full disclosure-- I'm paraphrasing. Marr Apr 2015 #118

Amen. Doctor_J Apr 2015 #4

I had some misgivings in 2008 - LiberalElite Apr 2015 #8

He knew liberal phraseology alright Plucketeer Apr 2015 #13

That was pretty stinky alright. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #60

First it was "keeping it under wraps until he gets elected" . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #17

This time around we're just too stupid to understand and should "trust" politicians blindly. nt RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #81

They will resort back to calling us "low information" and generally Jamastiene Apr 2015 #129

When somone compares himself to a "moderate '80s Republican" Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #43

Yes, not to mention his early expression of admiration for Ronald Reagan whathehell Apr 2015 #127

He held himself up like a rhoesach test... haikugal Apr 2015 #48

Those that did make noise were accused of ODS and being a 'hater' by his fans. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #139

I remember, we were denigrated and called names. haikugal Apr 2015 #142

"just keeping it under wraps till ...elected" LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #87

It sure is an irrational rationalization. Like most of the other ones. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #134

I voted for him (twice), but I've never been on his bandwagon deutsey Apr 2015 #116

I had misgivings in 2008, too. Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #149

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Yep. Good thing he's 840high Apr 2015 #42

He is running again. Fuddnik Apr 2015 #69

+1 Marr Apr 2015 #74

She won't get my vote. 840high Apr 2015 #79

Have to agree with you. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #112

I hope they apply this lesson betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #5

I cannot wait for him to write the memoir so we Baitball Blogger Apr 2015 #7

Just because you are a scholar of X does not mean you are for X. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #14

Many on DU have been shouted down for saying the same thing BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #9

http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/19300/19346/trojanhorse_19346_lg.gif blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #15

Exactly MissDeeds Apr 2015 #23

Ding ding ding! kath Apr 2015 #46

No room for doubt anymore FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #93

+ 1000 red dog 1 Apr 2015 #26

Well said, THANK YOU!!!! haikugal Apr 2015 #49

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #63

+1 leftstreet Apr 2015 #83

+1,000 LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #88

+1 He's definitely shown his hand now. cui bono Apr 2015 #98

I think this is the part that no one dares to admit BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #137

Yes, exactly. cui bono Apr 2015 #138

This has proven we have our 23%ers just like Bush BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #141

omg... progressive trade deal... how can they say that? They rail against us for criticizing cui bono Apr 2015 #143

It's obsession BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #147

That is truly sickening. We don't even have all those things in our country any more. cui bono Apr 2015 #148

Please make this an OP. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #115

I fear I know what is going on. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #10

Most Excellent Post... Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #12

ever have that moment of clarity? SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #52

"FDR didn't have to contend with globalization." Other than WWII but that was a different kind of pampango Apr 2015 #56

Biggest Obama supporter I know, me, is against him on this, but I believe that HE Believes NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #102

Plausible but moreso bordering on chicken-littlist to me. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #105

Only alternative is Obama is knowingly and intentionally signing us up for hell and I NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #107

Me neither, hence my talk-me-down-from-the-ledge post. Thanks, NJNP! nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #108

Oh, you are in that camp, cool. I gotta tell ya, this is a head scratcher, part of me wants to NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #110

Forcing an increase in minimum wage has got to be an Obama priority. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #117

Nah, the TPP isn't about trade. jeff47 Apr 2015 #123

If we really wanted to solve any of this we put tariffs back while investing in mfg here NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #124

Bah! What are you, some sort of communist?! jeff47 Apr 2015 #125

Remember when if you had a transistor radio that said "Made In Japan" it meant it was NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #126

Instead of wasting our money on WAR, bvar22 Apr 2015 #144

Might be SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #136

Very interesting ideas. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #29

You are right. Note that if Wall Street wasn't making a shitload of money from all of that GoneFishin Apr 2015 #31

+ 1000 red dog 1 Apr 2015 #38

+ a gazillion! RiverLover Apr 2015 #41

i'm not all that lucid normally. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #53

What's Good for Walmart is Good for Shareholders. Octafish Apr 2015 #67

+ 1000 There are those who assist and there are those who resist. raouldukelives Apr 2015 #77

+100000 nashville_brook Apr 2015 #80

I've had this epiphany as well. When I realized that I was part of the ownership society for the Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #109

right on! SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #119

+1 cui bono Apr 2015 #146

K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #11

http://media.salon.com/2013/04/obama_barbara_bush.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #16

Whoa! Really disturbing. FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #94

To say that I am disappointed about this battle is an understatement. Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #18

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #20

I have defended him in the past - now I am ready to cry. Cry for him and us. He could have done jwirr Apr 2015 #39

Hear, hear... dorkzilla Apr 2015 #72

Feigned impotence whenever the cause is for the 99%. It's like watching an actor in a B movie GoneFishin Apr 2015 #19

+ 1,000,000,000 - Perfect !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #21

Medicare for all and prosecution of the architects of the gulf war would have been plenty Doctor_J Apr 2015 #32

Not only because of a lack of enthusiasm, but likely because of deliberate undermining GoneFishin Apr 2015 #36

I am so with you! This one alone would have changed history. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #66

Exactly! ctsnowman Apr 2015 #73

I was silly enough to think he was going to fight for such things, which is why I supported him. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2015 #100

I was fooled one time. But the next time I voted for none of the above in that box. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #101

I'd like to add some daredtowork Apr 2015 #113

Those are the types of improvements that I hoped I was voting for the first time. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #132

Just imagine "Hope and Change"...lol. nt daredtowork Apr 2015 #135

Time for a candidate to run on repeal of the TPP! tonybgood Apr 2015 #22

That's clever proactive thinking. Unfortunately they are trying to make it impossible to GoneFishin Apr 2015 #27

A liberal couldn't get elected President. The military/industrial complex won't let it happen. jalan48 Apr 2015 #24

What, do they control your vote? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #54

Yes, they do. Fuddnik Apr 2015 #71

It controls our government. A liberal winning would have little effect on the status quo I believe. jalan48 Apr 2015 #92

No. I don't believe that. bvar22 Apr 2015 #128

I wish I shared your optimism. Do you really think any new President could 'clean house' with our jalan48 Apr 2015 #131

Pat Robertson has millions of (proxy) votes FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #95

Sherrod Brown makes excellent points on this. suffragette Apr 2015 #25

HUGE K&R red dog 1 Apr 2015 #33

This says it all, shameful. Broward Apr 2015 #34

This is the battle he chooses to fight. Autumn Apr 2015 #44

true colors come shining through Skittles Apr 2015 #45

Wow. That certainly is stunning. cui bono Apr 2015 #50

^^^^^perfect^^^^^ Enthusiast Apr 2015 #68

+1 Marr Apr 2015 #97

I wish he had fought this hard for the Public Option! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #51

Emma...seems there ARE some things worth fighting for demwing Apr 2015 #62

shameful and sickening that this is what he chooses to fight for cali Apr 2015 #55

We would have a public option right now if the President had shown the passion Enthusiast Apr 2015 #57

Would the administration have had to lobby Brown on the ACA Progressive dog Apr 2015 #64

Stupid Democrats Don't See Strategic Pivot to Superprofits Octafish Apr 2015 #65

I'll say it again. tomsaiditagain Apr 2015 #70

pull my strings father founding Apr 2015 #75

Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #76

That's my Senator! riqster Apr 2015 #78

Amazing that all of the sudden the republicans aren't going to obstruct his every effort RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #82

This has been clear about Obama from far outside Washington since he Marr Apr 2015 #84

Casey is ready for Hillary biglib63 Apr 2015 #85

anybody have the jury results? frylock Apr 2015 #89

No one has come out to give any good reasons to support this corporate piece of crap. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #90

Kickin' Faux pas Apr 2015 #91

Noticeably absent from these threads are those who want to "wait and see" riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #103

Where was that cajoling and lobbying during ACA debate? n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #104

The prez is showing his true corporate colors. polichick Apr 2015 #111

The Obama Acolytes DID promise that we would see the REAL OBama after 2012 election. bvar22 Apr 2015 #145

what should President Obama do? pass up the trade opportunity with the 'dozen Pacific Rim nations? Sunlei Apr 2015 #114

I've been hearing the same promises about each and every one of the previous fake free trade Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #120

Your argument would make sense if there were any significant trade barriers. jeff47 Apr 2015 #122

I wish he had worked THAT hard for a Public Option. bvar22 Apr 2015 #121

PM kick for those who missed this.... riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #133