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17. The world is involved in an energy war. I think his advisors are screaming at him to perform

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:40 PM

Apr 2015

And perform in a specific way. I think that's what the Iraq invasion was about: controlling resources.

It makes sense to put massive funding into battery research, and other renewable areas, but I have a hunch he is getting an earful of information along the lines of how we have just moments to pull things together or lose the economy. Right now if we get some kind of international trade agreement, as horrible as it may be in five years or so, it may forestall immediate doom.

I see it as a game of economic musical chairs.

If Obama were really strong enough to fend off his critics and advisers, he'd take the healthy, but seemingly illogical path. Kind of like what Iceland did.

I'm totally guessing. So it could be that he really thinks this tpp is actually good for us. That just doesn't add up, given how bright he is.

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Weve never seen President Obama act like this [View all] cali Apr 2015 OP

are you assuming obama cares about progressives and thus even wants to win them over nt msongs Apr 2015 #1

He clearly hates them. JoePhilly Apr 2015 #2

It's clearly mutual Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #6

Well, as a liberal, I have criticized Obama and will continue to do so. ananda Apr 2015 #20

I guess I am that rare bird.. Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #32

That would explain your adoration for the nominally somewhat almost liberal President Trajan Apr 2015 #86

And why is the President's criticism "trashing" if your's isn't? brooklynite Apr 2015 #122

Well, you seem to be of the opinion that Politicians should forget about who elected sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #142

Agree completely ... JoePhilly Apr 2015 #36

It's about those dollar, dollar bills, y'all ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #113

We've made some many off season moves ... JoePhilly Apr 2015 #127

Tebow can play ALL of those positions! 11 Bravo Apr 2015 #161

hahahahahah!!!! JoePhilly Apr 2015 #182

Excuse me? Liberals elected him. Twice. Even after his sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #141

Some folks have spent years bashing Obama...now they want him to kiss their feet. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #9

bwahaha. dog poop cali Apr 2015 #12

Dog poop? Very mature of you Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #16

sorry, he's referring to his allies in congress cali Apr 2015 #22

melodramatic outbursts on an anonymous online message board are fun... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #43

Lol quakerboy Apr 2015 #83

So if if thinks theyre wrong, he shouldnt call them out? Adrahil Apr 2015 #112

Bless your heart for trying to reason with them, they dont like Obama NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #53

This tired old argument again?! I like Obama. He's really very funny sometimes. I like 1monster Apr 2015 #87

you are confusing me with someone else , I am talking about those who ALWAYS criticize him NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #91

Maybe just be the man you pretended to be at first sendit Apr 2015 #13

I have never bashed or trashed Obama, but ... ananda Apr 2015 #21

To some they are one and the same. zeemike Apr 2015 #51

This seems like the same argument that Hillary supporters make I hate liars Apr 2015 #72

LIberals want Obama to Kiss their feet? bvar22 Apr 2015 #157

no, not really cali Apr 2015 #5

Sometimes I think that he thinks of us as weirdos sendit Apr 2015 #10

WTF is wrong with us who care about ending human suffering, healing the poisoned earth, Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #47

Maybe he's trying to get the GOP to change their vote Politicalboi Apr 2015 #3

Aha! Umpteen dimensional chess strikes again tularetom Apr 2015 #46

Umpteen- is that more or less than a brazillion? hay rick Apr 2015 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Apr 2015 #4

Only if we let it. I suggest Liberal Progressive and standing tall. To have two excellent and well libdem4life Apr 2015 #11

I am working on changing the direction of our world every day. I still proudly call myself a Liberal. Vincardog Apr 2015 #14

Now that's a good assesment. Being dragged to the Left...Heaven Forfend. libdem4life Apr 2015 #23

Well, no. Seem cops don't shoot you for being progressive Scootaloo Apr 2015 #81

If this post doesn't sum up DU, in particular many of the denizens of GD, then NOTHING ever will Number23 Apr 2015 #89

I know, huh? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Apr 2015 #154

I am on my knees BEGGING you to PLEASE show me a link where the BLACK Democratic president Number23 Apr 2015 #168

Crickets~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #185

Rahm Emanuel good enough for you? Why did I emphasize BLACK Pres? Cause this whole kerfuffle Vincardog Apr 2015 #189

Rahm Emmanuel, who hasn't been a member of this administration for almost five years??? Number23 Apr 2015 #191

I don't see any advantage to be gained by continuing to try to discuss this with you. Vincardog Apr 2015 #192

I expected absolutely no other response from you. The self-deleted post was a nice extra touch Number23 Apr 2015 #194

Your self satisfied posts make my day Vincardog Apr 2015 #196

Glad I could help Number23 Apr 2015 #197

rahm called liberals fucking retards questionseverything Apr 2015 #201

Please keep up with the thread. This has been covered. Number23 Apr 2015 #202

ss questionseverything Apr 2015 #203

Again, please keep up with the thread. There is nothing definitive that says that Rahm called anyone Number23 Apr 2015 #204

It's yet another WTF moment in the life of DU:GD, careening towards irrelevancy.... Hekate Apr 2015 #170

This place passed irrelevancy a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Number23 Apr 2015 #172

Yes it did Egnever Apr 2015 #198

Tell us, oh oppressed brother...about your experiences of driving msanthrope Apr 2015 #162

That is exactly what I need lessons on being progressive from a HCR supporter. Vincardog Apr 2015 #164

No, you need lessons on how not to misappropriate the experience of msanthrope Apr 2015 #166

That analogy is not only wrong but offensive.... Hekate Apr 2015 #171

+1 treestar Apr 2015 #184

IGNORE is your friend. You have never heard the phrase "XXX is the new black"? IF this was posted in Vincardog Apr 2015 #187

Likewise, I'm sure Hekate Apr 2015 #188

Almost like there were some "secret" pressure...I agree. And the more defensive he gets, the more libdem4life Apr 2015 #7

I suspect that it's beyond 2naSalit Apr 2015 #85

Could you please Caretha Apr 2015 #181

This one 2naSalit Apr 2015 #183

Trim Tab. Push it down and the plane goes up. Buckminster Fuller's tombstone says "Call me Trimtab NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8

Is the XL thing over? How did it end? Vincardog Apr 2015 #15

It will never be "over" but the president did veto the legislation at hand. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #18

I believe he only vetoed a bill trying to force his hand MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #101

We still have leftover crow from the last time DU was laughably wrong about Obama's plans. tridim Apr 2015 #19

utterly false and completely ridiculous cali Apr 2015 #24

Worry not Cali, the crow is still very tender. tridim Apr 2015 #28

you are remarkably uninformed. not to mention a revisionist cali Apr 2015 #34

I'm loving my healthcare, ObamaCare, paid out over $1,000,000 in claims in the past year. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #25

You are right Andy823 Apr 2015 #37

Really? When was that? Links please... cui bono Apr 2015 #39

How about...? BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #146

So none of that happened? cui bono Apr 2015 #151

"What's your point?" BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #160

I do remember people saying it was a done deal as in Obama offered it up. cui bono Apr 2015 #165

Here is the issue BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #167

I agree with you. Here's my take from the opposite perspective. cui bono Apr 2015 #169

Well now this is where we will need to agree to disagree BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #178

You sure know how to get your ducks in a row, BRDS. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #186

Well said Egnever Apr 2015 #199

The world is involved in an energy war. I think his advisors are screaming at him to perform Gregorian Apr 2015 #17

Something is definitely at stake here...maybe not all political. Expediency is not always libdem4life Apr 2015 #26

IMO he really thinks this TPP is actually a treasonous toxic pile of pus filled death and destructio Vincardog Apr 2015 #29

He knows the TPP would crush working Americans. He gives not a single fuck. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #77

+1 Well said. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #97

...^ that 840high Apr 2015 #205

Sounds like short-term duct tape for our "house of cards" economy. arcane1 Apr 2015 #79

perfect phrase! Duppers Apr 2015 #149

Indeed. I'm especially puzzled by people like the Kochs. arcane1 Apr 2015 #153

While people like the Kochs are devoting their effort to getting that little bit more Enthusiast Apr 2015 #207

The Money Men who call the shots want this very much. hifiguy Apr 2015 #27

Now you know what it's like to be an opponent of the chessmaster Renew Deal Apr 2015 #30

He's starting to feel the heat of fire being held to his feet. He asked for this... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #31

Losing his cool. The puppet masters are yanking harder than usual. polichick Apr 2015 #33

Way out of character. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #93

It's interesting that he said other Dems were getting "the base" worked up, as if its a bad thing. morningfog Apr 2015 #35

The base is only allowed to see the show. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #68

Yes. Pay no attention.... Enthusiast Apr 2015 #94

He's upset that you stopped him from cutting social security, from starting the XL pipeline ... JoePhilly Apr 2015 #38

Possibly because he has more info than they do? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #40

Yeah, JaneyVee Carolina Apr 2015 #61

well in that case he lied today because he said those awful liberals could read the whole thing Doctor_J Apr 2015 #63

And this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #115

He has set up a Lose-Lose situation for himself Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #41

So what if his base turns on him? 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #131

He may still have things he wants to accomplish Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #143

I'm not going to withhold support for Obama 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #175

He's crazy! He's out of control! zappaman Apr 2015 #42

Oligarchs may be threatening him, or his family. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #44

I truly believe he is in tough spot. Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #56

He knows when to spend political capital, and this 1%er trade deal is his top priority. Marr Apr 2015 #45

Definitely very few things he's wanted that repubs didn't unite in opposition to. arcane1 Apr 2015 #52

Like education deform, it is bad enough for the country for the TeaPubliKlans to set aside TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #71

This is the clearest issue I've seen yet in this age of professional water muddiers. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #92

https://willswordsofwisdom.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/obama-angry.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #48

LOL, you're like the anti-BOG. SMC22307 Apr 2015 #155

Some disagreement. His surrogates have done it for him. Now he has to. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #49

http://www.prunejuicemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Obama-mad-1.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #50

Thanks for the giggles! Phlem Apr 2015 #88

I think he's slamming 'em because they're lying. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #54

that's insane. cali Apr 2015 #67

She at best misled with her statement and at worst lied. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #74

You claim that Warren openly lie(d) about the President. bvar22 Apr 2015 #69

Okay... Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #76

Interesting info. This shows how confused and uninformed we are on this. Gregorian Apr 2015 #103

Wow... They even play the race card! That sure is some good propaganda! I especially enjoyed Kip Humphrey Apr 2015 #104

All the smilies in the world won't change the fact she mislead. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #105

But, what would be her reason for doing that, do you think? KoKo Apr 2015 #121

Thanks for the links, DI. nt SunSeeker Apr 2015 #139

What has she lied about, then? MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #173

The schism will strengthen because of this Oilwellian Apr 2015 #55

I think it is panic... elzenmahn Apr 2015 #57

No, he's tired of ill-informed, paranoid critics, and I don't blame him. Hoyt Apr 2015 #58

Like Senators who have actually looked at it? Are you more informed than they? arcane1 Apr 2015 #78

Ill-informed critics? And what could anyone do to correct those ill-informed critics? A Simple Game Apr 2015 #129

Well, for many, you'd have to send them back to school, or tell them to stop playing Hoyt Apr 2015 #137

How does it feel defending the indefensible? 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #132

It's the confluence of the two things that I've long thought make him angriest. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #59

And we know how many people have been waiting to call him angry, lol. bettyellen Apr 2015 #108

Thanks for illustrating my point MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #109

I thought your point was being made in secret? Possibly for the same reasons to high level bettyellen Apr 2015 #110

So because I'm a racist? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #111

What point? You asked people think about Obama+ angry..... bettyellen Apr 2015 #116

Telling is't it Carolina Apr 2015 #60

Doesn't matter to me what he does, I support opposition to the TPP. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #62

He wants to make the Clintons proud. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #64

And the Bush family Doctor_J Apr 2015 #106

Oh fer kai yi . . . madamesilverspurs Apr 2015 #65

Compare and contrast this approach to TPP... lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #66

I wish he had fought this hard for our Public Option. bvar22 Apr 2015 #70

+1 leftstreet Apr 2015 #82

+2 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #98

+3 snot Apr 2015 #100

+4. nt City Lights Apr 2015 #152

Turns out President Cool Breeze had it in him after all. SMC22307 Apr 2015 #156

Maybe he won't get his secret bonus. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #73

thus when I say Hillary is to the right of obama thus a conservative PatrynXX Apr 2015 #75

I think this is why Warren is being singled out for censure. Doesn't work, though, IMO. djean111 Apr 2015 #90

Perhaps on this issue, the galvanization of a huge part of the Democratic Party supporting her... cascadiance Apr 2015 #133

This is why the whole deal stinks Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #80

This has been my feeling since 2011 when he fortified the Patriot Act, it's orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #84

Some of us have, but we had to wait for everyone else to see it too. Jamastiene Apr 2015 #95

it's especially hard having to explain the obvious to someone who's been seeing it for 20 years MisterP Apr 2015 #96

Off topic, but what the heck is your gif? Is that Buffy? n/t ms liberty Apr 2015 #120

yes: it's how everyone trying to explain anything on the internet feels like, every time MisterP Apr 2015 #174

Love it! n/t ms liberty Apr 2015 #180

Kick and R. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #99

He trusts the people drafting the thing. joshcryer Apr 2015 #102

sure, and he is vested in them cali Apr 2015 #107

And there is no "panic" in those ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #117

irrelevant. he's the President. And he personally has a lot at stake cali Apr 2015 #126

This terrible, terrible thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #136

hardly what I've said cali Apr 2015 #138

If that's not what you've been saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #144

bullshit cali Apr 2015 #145

I'm sorry ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #147

whatever cali Apr 2015 #148

I am! I worship 1%ers, like you. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #150

It's disgusting really....nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #118

When the President resorts to adhominem attacks on his allies Larkspur Apr 2015 #119

Good Point. n/t KoKo Apr 2015 #123

How is saying someone lied an ad hominen attack? nt SunSeeker Apr 2015 #140

i am seeing him handle this almost identically to ACA. anyone reminded of this? nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #124

It seems clear that someone has run over his dog. malthaussen Apr 2015 #125

Excellent OP Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #128

First serious pushback against his corporate conservative agenda Doctor_J Apr 2015 #130

Because he's liberated.... Aviation Pro Apr 2015 #134

YES!!! The Obama Acolytes promised we would see the REAL OBama after re-election. bvar22 Apr 2015 #159

Well, they were half-right Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #177

Don't you live in Japan? Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #190

Yes, I am in Japan Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #193

That's what I had heard about the Japanese in Japan, as well. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #195

This is because the United States Policy is to promote Capitalism on a global scale.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #135

Senioritis maybe? Initech Apr 2015 #158

We most certainly have ibegurpard Apr 2015 #163

I learned a long time ago . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #179

I think he actually believes he can cure the Trade Pact ills with the TPP MaggieD Apr 2015 #200

I've never seen him act this way, my god, he's going crazy, KMOD Apr 2015 #206