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hedda_foil

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10. See, it's not just Obama's trustworthiness to get a less than halfway decent deal.

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:13 PM

Apr 2015

The fact is that USA (USA!USA!USA!) is the driving force behind the whole idea of the TPP. And a lot of things we're protesting come very close to being deal breakers for countries from Australia to Ecuador. The U.S. team have been pushing the others very, very hard to keep those noxious elements in the treaty. And our government, of course, knows everything the other "partners" talk, text, email or tweet to their colleagues, spouses, mistresses, etc. in real time. (Because that's what friends are for?) So our trade negotiators have lots and lots and lots and lots of, shall we say ...
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with other nations? Since we're top dog in that mashup, it's unlikely that those countries demands are forcing the administration to put everybody's laws and sovereignty into the hands of psychopathic global corporations.

So let's agree that the president is being truthful about getting the best deal he can for U.S. Americans. The question then comes down to WHO he's cutting this deal with. Well, let's see. They've had hundreds of secret meetings with so-called "U.S." corporations, which are the beneficiaries (and likely the instigators) of the deal...

As Sherlock says, when everyone else is ruled out, the one that's left is the culprit. And as Deep Throat famously said, "Follow the money."

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Hedda

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Liz Warren plays political games too [View all] MaggieD Apr 2015 OP

OK cali Apr 2015 #1

Warren is a fine stateswoman when it comes to economic issues. ananda Apr 2015 #13

Me too Aerows Apr 2015 #41

Really! And to side with Palul Ryan instead of tblue Apr 2015 #88

I agree with everything you wrote MaggieD Apr 2015 #20

She has not only pretended to stand up for the people Aerows Apr 2015 #43

I don't dislike her at all... MaggieD Apr 2015 #66

i am very excited about warren. powerful women with a powerful voice. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #124

I am too! But I genuinely believe that her supporters will be the thing that smash her like a grape Number23 Apr 2015 #166

too many are just using her. to disrupt du and bash obama. too many really do not give a fuck seabeyond Apr 2015 #169

I agree. And this idea that she is a sweet, little blonde lamb that is a paragon of truth and virtue Number23 Apr 2015 #171

Hey, Hey, Hey! HassleCat Apr 2015 #2

Good post. And if you haven't been properly welcomed, welcome. If so, another never hurts. n/t libdem4life Apr 2015 #101

She registered in 2001 merrily Apr 2015 #132

The profile says March of 2015. 11 Bravo Apr 2015 #159

How very odd. That is not what it said when I looked. Also the OP posted on this merrily Apr 2015 #160

Says 2001 merrily Apr 2015 #161

I think you're looking at MaggieD's profile. libdem4life, whose ... 11 Bravo Apr 2015 #163

Yes, the OP's. Apparently, I did not follow the thread correctly. Sorry! merrily Apr 2015 #164

All politicians play games. LWolf Apr 2015 #3

That's the point MaggieD Apr 2015 #108

Don't you mean Warren and pretty much every other Democratic policitian. Dawgs Apr 2015 #4

The article is about Warren, but... MaggieD Apr 2015 #5

Right, because trade negotiations have worked so well for us in the past. Dawgs Apr 2015 #6

That may be true, but has nothing to do with my post MaggieD Apr 2015 #12

Yes it does. Dawgs Apr 2015 #96

No, I'm saying she is NOT a political noob MaggieD Apr 2015 #104

I like how organized labor, human rights and environmental groups were especially well represented. Octafish Apr 2015 #7

That's a good reason to be against it MaggieD Apr 2015 #15

The TPP is the death knell for our country Aerows Apr 2015 #45

Well alright y then........... Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #8

They aren't noobs - that's the point MaggieD Apr 2015 #14

Oh she's a liar then Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #16

She's playing politics MaggieD Apr 2015 #19

Where did you come from? Aerows Apr 2015 #46

As you once kindly told me, we all can see. merrily Apr 2015 #76

I hope it wasn't in a harsh context Aerows Apr 2015 #92

No, it was not in a harsh context at all. It was, as I said, kind advice. merrily Apr 2015 #93

Where did I come from? MaggieD Apr 2015 #105

I'm rude? Aerows Apr 2015 #112

Be specific on my rudeness, as you call it MaggieD Apr 2015 #115

This is hilarious Aerows Apr 2015 #117

Oh FFS - really? MaggieD Apr 2015 #120

Well, yeah but... Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #138

Oh boy Aerows Apr 2015 #91

Not to worry, the Captains of Industry know what G_j Apr 2015 #9

It will all trickle down Aerows Apr 2015 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #74

See, it's not just Obama's trustworthiness to get a less than halfway decent deal. hedda_foil Apr 2015 #10

That is objectively untrue MaggieD Apr 2015 #11

Oh......... it started under Bush and Cheney Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #17

No, it started without US involvement MaggieD Apr 2015 #18

Oh........ just out of blue then Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #21

Anything that Republicans are ardently for Aerows Apr 2015 #48

So you think Obama is lying... MaggieD Apr 2015 #59

I trust Elizabeth Warren Aerows Apr 2015 #89

me, too. but thank you for your information in here. dying for some facts. thank you maggieD. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #29

Maybe it's just a case of, "I saw it on the Internet, so it must be true." procon Apr 2015 #51

You are describing the article that is the basis of this thread. merrily Apr 2015 #85

It's the same info that's on govt and natl press websites. procon Apr 2015 #100

It's no surprise they support Obama. Nonetheless, the OP article is worthless. merrily Apr 2015 #130

Under the guise of learning everything I can, procon Apr 2015 #139

I've never been in any personality cult. No one has proven she lied or was duplicitous. No one can. merrily Apr 2015 #141

Here's to hoping they find a cure for those lyin' eyes. nt. procon Apr 2015 #143

Your claim is that Warren KNOWS America will like the TPP, but is saying America won't? merrily Apr 2015 #144

Those are your words, yeah? procon Apr 2015 #149

I think you misquoted Warren. You also left out the part where Obama called her out merrily Apr 2015 #150

I quoted straight from Warren's own words on her website. procon Apr 2015 #153

No, you did not quote Warren's words. You took words attributed to other people out of context. merrily Apr 2015 #154

When she leaves out a corroborating source, they are her words. procon Apr 2015 #155

NO, they are not. merrily Apr 2015 #157

Whose words are they, merrily? procon Apr 2015 #162

Why repeat comments I just addressed? See Reply157. merrily Apr 2015 #165

That was a strange dodge. procon Apr 2015 #170

Dodge? I am not obligated to repeat myself every time you repeat yourself. Again, see Replies 154 merrily Apr 2015 #172

If Paul Ryan Aerows Apr 2015 #110

I don't make snap decisions based on third party opinions. procon Apr 2015 #122

You will be waiting Aerows Apr 2015 #123

My crystal ball was repossessed when I was 17; procon Apr 2015 #127

Let's look at the facts. hedda_foil Apr 2015 #22

Oh brother, did you even read... MaggieD Apr 2015 #58

What she copied and pasted does not support your statement. merrily Apr 2015 #78

Of course it does MaggieD Apr 2015 #106

Wow. That is NOT what your post 11 conveyed at all. Talk about moving a goalpost. merrily Apr 2015 #133

It did start in 2002 MaggieD Apr 2015 #146

The talks for the TPP did not start in 2002, as your post 11 said. That was a different merrily Apr 2015 #148

If you don't know this is just an extension.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #173

Is that really the question? Perhaps I am confused on that point, but I wonder if Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #23

She sure as shite does. Cha Apr 2015 #24

KICK Cha Apr 2015 #25

Seems to be a real outbreak of anti-Warren Obama is right fever on the board tonight rurallib Apr 2015 #26

Fine, caution abounds, but that isn't what Warren said. ucrdem Apr 2015 #28

Oh? So Warren *could* have told Rachel exactly what she'd read without facing some winter is coming Apr 2015 #49

It's in a locked room. People have to have a security clearance to read it AND have merrily Apr 2015 #54

You are at least the third or fouth poster who has pointed out the sudden influx. merrily Apr 2015 #134

Well, she has read it ans still does not like it. Are you saying she is making it up? nt Logical Apr 2015 #27

Yes, she's making it up. There is no deal. It's still being negotiated. ucrdem Apr 2015 #30

Wait, so you think the American people will like it?? She is lying about it? nt Logical Apr 2015 #31

Not what I said. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #32

Mahalo ucr! Shame on her disingenuous grandstanding like that. Cha Apr 2015 #33

The last Massachusetts pol to go mano-a-mano with PBO was Mitt Romney ucrdem Apr 2015 #34

Yeah, she's not telling the truth about everything.. and I don't give a shite what her supporters Cha Apr 2015 #42

Bullshit! nt Logical Apr 2015 #38

LOL, she READ SOMETHING so she is saying what she said the people will not like...... Logical Apr 2015 #35

She said it was being kept secret. "It" doesn't exist. ucrdem Apr 2015 #36

Bullshit...... Logical Apr 2015 #37

Those are negotiating drafts. There is no final draft that can be made public. ucrdem Apr 2015 #40

Then HOW CAN OBAMA BE SUPPORTING IT????? If she does not have enough information.... Logical Apr 2015 #44

Stop pulling stuff out of your ear. merrily Apr 2015 #55

I agree with the linked article in the OP MaggieD Apr 2015 #60

Under the Bus Aerows Apr 2015 #39

Who are you? Aerows Apr 2015 #50

How many posts do we need? procon Apr 2015 #52

Not many, apparently Aerows Apr 2015 #53

Member since 2001. Under 600 posts. Says she reads here every day. merrily Apr 2015 #79

Yep - I was told to take off my tin foil hat. Aerows Apr 2015 #90

I saw. merrily Apr 2015 #94

This place isn't a friendly or welcoming environment. procon Apr 2015 #98

Exactly. MerryBlooms Apr 2015 #156

It's that all you've got? MaggieD Apr 2015 #62

Pure ad hominem treestar Apr 2015 #125

Maybe. But if so, she's doing it right. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #56

Meow. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #57

Wow, that's mature MaggieD Apr 2015 #61

Elizabeth knows whereof she speaks. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #63

Yes, she knows she is being untruthful.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #64

She's telling the truth. You choose to believe Third Way lies. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #65

She's not, sorry MaggieD Apr 2015 #72

You found an opinion hit piece in the Daily Banter that supports the position you wanted to take merrily Apr 2015 #81

The same info is available on govt and natl press websites. Google works. nt procon Apr 2015 #99

Government websites support Obama? Is that your proof Warren is lying? merrily Apr 2015 #135

Yes, Elizabeth Warren is being untruthful and of course nobody wants to see that. So they attack Cha Apr 2015 #67

really sorry to see you turn to the dark side AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #68

You call it the "dark side".. that's doesn't mean it's dark. I have enough respect not to Cha Apr 2015 #69

Nor did I. The OP gratuitously attacked Elizabeth AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #71

A Facebook opinion post??? MaggieD Apr 2015 #73

Who can possibly argue with an opinion hit piece in a webzine that flat out claims Warren is lying? merrily Apr 2015 #82

I will state again... MaggieD Apr 2015 #70

Again, thank you.. I agree with what Tommy Christopher said in his article, too. He explains Cha Apr 2015 #75

It's probably just a coincidence the rec's are all from Clinton supporters. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #77

I support whichever Democrat MaggieD Apr 2015 #80

And also just a coincidence that most of the strongest Obama supporters are also the merrily Apr 2015 #84

I rec'd it - and I'm not a Clinton supporter JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #95

In this case, Obama supporter would be more relevant. merrily Apr 2015 #136

I'll see your ugh and raise you two yuckies and a nana nana boo boo. merrily Apr 2015 #83

Where did I say... MaggieD Apr 2015 #107

YOU read for comprehension. I said you found an article that supported the position you wanted to merrily Apr 2015 #129

Pot. Kettle. merrily Apr 2015 #87

Uh no MaggieD Apr 2015 #109

Uh, yes. Point was, your response was no more "adult level" than the poster you merrily Apr 2015 #137

This thread proves one thing. Some of us tend to think anyone who agrees with the position we want merrily Apr 2015 #86

I disagree MaggieD Apr 2015 #113

No surprise. However, you haven't proven she used bs. Your OP article is ridiculous. merrily Apr 2015 #128

"ANY trade talks" of the past 20 years have been strictly devoted to-- eridani Apr 2015 #97

A tenured professor at Harvard adept at playing political games? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. mulsh Apr 2015 #102

If Democrats treated republicans like they are treating Ms. Warren, they'd win more elections notadmblnd Apr 2015 #103

Maybe. And maybe they'd only come off as squabblers. merrily Apr 2015 #147

Politicians might be "convinced" fadedrose Apr 2015 #111

Republicans LOVE the TPP Aerows Apr 2015 #114

Agreed MaggieD Apr 2015 #118

It is secret Aerows Apr 2015 #121

The framework is public MaggieD Apr 2015 #126

PROVE she is being deceptive when she says America will not like it. merrily Apr 2015 #142

I didn't say that MaggieD Apr 2015 #145

I didn't say she was being deceptive about that.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #174

I think Warren and the Dems should hold the TPP hostage just like the GOP does all the time. hollowdweller Apr 2015 #116

I agree Aerows Apr 2015 #119

Yep. Grayson, Lee, Sanders, Brown and others. Not only Warren. merrily Apr 2015 #140

Appreciate your courage here and elsewhere. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #131

Hear hear. Efforts are much appreciated MaggieD. great white snark Apr 2015 #152

Well, since this administration sold public education to the highest bidder.... madfloridian Apr 2015 #151

Yeah, and she's playing another one now.. with her latest.. Cha Apr 2015 #158

Some people sure have taken an interest in your OP. Consider it a (revolting and unwanted) complimen Number23 Apr 2015 #167

Precisely MaggieD Apr 2015 #175

Actually, Number 23, you don't know whether Warren ever voted for Reagan or not. merrily Apr 2015 #176

Now that she's the liberal queen, she was asked point blank if she voted for Reagan and "declined" Number23 Apr 2015 #177

Zero evidence on either issue, but you'll believe what you want. merrily Apr 2015 #178

And you're as touchy as you are invested. Number23 Apr 2015 #179

unrec! n/t sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #168