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Question about TPP...is Elizabeth Warren lying when she says Congress can't stop TPP? [View all] Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 OP

not lying, but maybe doesn't know all the facts... or is being advised OKNancy Apr 2015 #1

It's a semantic matter--Who does she mean by "us" or "we" here? Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #34

Third question Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #2

There's a 60-day-public viewing period. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #3

Then why not post the agreement? Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #8

I agree Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #10

Because it is not finalized. That particular claim is the one that bothers me the most. There okaawhatever Apr 2015 #16

Good point. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #18

this is how i am seeing it. why do you put out incomplete stuff before it is done? seabeyond Apr 2015 #20

What bothers me is that most of the people demanding the release of it now sound like the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #23

there is dishonesty going on when i am told it is secret and it is not. when told no one can talk seabeyond Apr 2015 #26

Interesting post. But why do you think that Warren and Sanders are doing this deliberately? Number23 Apr 2015 #58

Because the drafts that have leaked so far Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #29

Precisely! 99Forever Apr 2015 #66

The us government have posted drafts before at that were Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #32

Its still being drafted. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #24

Then post the updates as it goes Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #31

And she is gagged as far as telling those she represents what is in it. Plus there are so many sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #9

democracy now. grayson talking about it. why does he get to talk? seabeyond Apr 2015 #14

I don't see Grayson revealing details. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #37

he clues us in to the specifics. i thought it rather relevant. helped me to decides where the bill seabeyond Apr 2015 #43

What specifics swayed you. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #46

He did not talk about what is in this Agreement, he spoke generally about the 14 other sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #49

She is not lying, it is secret to us. WE are forbidden from seeing it, and SHE is forbidden from sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #4

So does Congress get an up-or-down vote on the deal? Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #5

Democrats would have virtually no ability to stop it. The real point is of fast track is not to TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #11

Not unless they pass Fast Track and doesn't look like it will happen. Bush couldn't it, for obvious sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #17

How is that - the Rs are for it and they control both houses. jwirr Apr 2015 #54

One other issue Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #6

If people want to oppose TPP, that's fine. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #7

i thought the doctors without borders was useful JI7 Apr 2015 #12

there's a fucking shitload of specific criticim of it and cali Apr 2015 #21

and president Obama can keep lying his ass off cali Apr 2015 #19

It appears as though Warren lied when she said it's top secret and congress can't stop it Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #27

'she did not. it is classified under national security cali Apr 2015 #36

That's because it's not a final deal Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #52

But... you are the one not being honest tkmorris Apr 2015 #62

What you are seeing is full court press PR campaign Joe Turner Apr 2015 #63

And there will be a time when an agreement is reached and published. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #65

Only those members with proper security clearances are allowed to access parts of the draft. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #13

'Nor are they allowed to discuss contents with staff or relevant experts'' Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #22

Except that they are discussing it. A Sanders interview is posted above. Why are people continuing okaawhatever Apr 2015 #28

Are they discussing the deal in Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #35

Since it hasn't been finalized that is how they should be discussing it. It is not responsible or okaawhatever Apr 2015 #41

Since it is our asses on the line Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #50

And the process of posting summaries doesn't change anything you've mentioned and Obama hasn't okaawhatever Apr 2015 #51

Guantanamo is still open Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #57

Once again, absolute and total dishonesty. The only thing that comes close to the truth is okaawhatever Apr 2015 #60

The only lies are the pretty little Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #67

They can say they do not like it and what they think the effects will be but except for the leaked jwirr Apr 2015 #44

But there isn't "exact wording" yet. It hasn't been finalized, there is only proposed wording. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #47

Yes, I understand that which is why they are arguing in general terms of what they have seen so far. jwirr Apr 2015 #56

Because it's true? /nt Marr Apr 2015 #48

What the hell good is a review if you can't do upaloopa Apr 2015 #15

Fast track is out of committee but has not been voted on, it's passage is far from certain.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #59

I do not see how one considers this is a lie Samantha Apr 2015 #25

They can see it - 15,000 pages but they cannot take notes, bring in any staff to help remember jwirr Apr 2015 #30

The corruption is so transparent it's laughable. 15000 pages. Damn! It shouldn't be legal. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #42

members of congress could see TPP by appointment magical thyme Apr 2015 #33

+ a whole bunch cali Apr 2015 #38

Here's another question. Why are the Republicans so gung-ho to help support something Obama wants? Marr Apr 2015 #39

By "us" she means Democrats in the House and Senate and it's absolutely true. pa28 Apr 2015 #40

Problem is, that isn't what she said. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #45

Fast track removes the filibuster .... 4139 Apr 2015 #53

The Senate and the House have been briefed on the TPP Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #55

I am still learning about Warren and interested in what she has to say in spite of her fans here Number23 Apr 2015 #61

Yea it seems rather basic that they could reject it treestar Apr 2015 #64

Well ... if she's asked, I would have strongly advised her not to go down this road. ucrdem Apr 2015 #68