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Genetic engineering (GMO) is NOT an extension of conventional plant breeding. [View all] pnwmom Apr 2015 OP

That's Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, anonymous DU poster who poses as an expert on everything. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #1

He's not a medical doctor, if that's what you're implying. "The good doctor" is pnwmom Apr 2015 #4

What is your area of expertise? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #7

Jury results Cartoonist Apr 2015 #17

LMAO! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #18

He's not a physician. 840high Apr 2015 #21

And? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Apr 2015 #22

it is, actually Scootaloo Apr 2015 #2

In nature, a plant can't breed with an insect, no matter how many generations are involved. pnwmom Apr 2015 #3

Such gene transfer does happen however, via bacteria and viruses Scootaloo Apr 2015 #5

I want all genetically engineered food products to be labeled. And since you have no problem pnwmom Apr 2015 #6

The problem is, that includes every domesticated plant and animal Scootaloo Apr 2015 #8

No , it doesn't. Genetic engineering is NOT the same as conventional breeding, pnwmom Apr 2015 #9

Conventional breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, pwnmom Scootaloo Apr 2015 #10

I wish I could give this post a rec KitSileya Apr 2015 #53

Sure, because power plants are EXACTLY like modifying genes Major Nikon Apr 2015 #14

That kind of vaguery and conflation isn't the way labelling laws are written. They are clear: GreatGazoo Apr 2015 #71

Same here Jim Beard Apr 2015 #19

Wouldn't really work, Round-up is used for more then just GMO foods. Lancero Apr 2015 #20

Are you implying that GMO is not used for Roundup resistance? immoderate Apr 2015 #34

I'm saying that roundup doesn't always equal GMO. Lancero Apr 2015 #37

How is it relevant, except that some GMO's 'lock in' using glyphosate? immoderate Apr 2015 #45

Read it, and you'll know. Lancero Apr 2015 #47

But some GMOs MUST use glyphosate. immoderate Apr 2015 #51

Yes LeftInTX Apr 2015 #56

Where do you come up with this nonsense? Major Nikon Apr 2015 #70

Why would someone use glyphosate resistant plants, and then no glyphosate? immoderate Apr 2015 #72

"But some GMOs MUST use glyphosate" Major Nikon Apr 2015 #73

It is a bit different. Can you handle it? immoderate Apr 2015 #74

I'm sure the irony is totally lost on you Major Nikon Apr 2015 #75

So, why use glyphosate resistant plants, without the glyphosate? immoderate Apr 2015 #76

I need to know more information before I can answer that question with the precision you demand Major Nikon Apr 2015 #77

So gimmee a hypothetical, a logical circumstance that would fulfill your objection. immoderate Apr 2015 #80

OK, hypothetically you can name one GMO that supports your assertion Major Nikon Apr 2015 #81

yes bit not actually the real problem I am afraid booley Apr 2015 #89

There are other herbicides besides Round-Up LeftInTX Apr 2015 #55

Except in this case the glyphosate isn't being used specifically as a herbicide. Lancero Apr 2015 #64

This is Monsanto's argument. Have you read what a Whistle Blower who worked sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #67

2000? That seems very out of date. LeftyMom Apr 2015 #11

Yes, the biotechnology has advanced. But it's still biotechnology and not the same pnwmom Apr 2015 #12

Other than a misinformed stab at a naturalisric fallacy, why would that matter? LeftyMom Apr 2015 #13

I'm not saying it's always a bad thing. Just that it's not the same as conventional cross-breeding pnwmom Apr 2015 #16

The EU still has some of the strongest regulations on GMO food, although Monsanto might appalachiablue Apr 2015 #61

Yeah it's like corporations are people. Same thing. immoderate Apr 2015 #36

I sure the hell don't. Why would I want a bunch of hornworms that have become-- eridani Apr 2015 #58

You are right, pnwmom RobertEarl Apr 2015 #15

Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2015 #24

im a biology major... youceyec Apr 2015 #25

Dr. Tyson never said what the op claims. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #26

Yes he does. And you should know, since you were the one who quoted him: pnwmom Apr 2015 #28

You're still being disingenuous. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #30

How can you deny that he says over 80% of food is GMO. pnwmom Apr 2015 #32

You need a new straw man. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #35

Right. I knew you couldn't answer. But just keep pretending. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #39

Thank you Pee Wee Herman. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #42

Waste of time with that one, I cornered her on the exact same garbage babble Rex Apr 2015 #86

It appears to me that he equates selective breeding with genetic engineering. immoderate Apr 2015 #43

No he's not. He's pointing out the problem with labeling everything that's GMO. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #46

We have found some things to disagree about... immoderate Apr 2015 #50

I'm not even sure we disagree. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #57

Only if one pretends context doesn't matter Major Nikon Apr 2015 #49

What context makes things that are different, the same? immoderate Apr 2015 #52

If this is so hard for you to understand.... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #69

In general I don't think people should be getting their science from science entertainers like Tyson Chathamization Apr 2015 #62

He is pretty much saying that when he says that labelling GMOs is meaningless because almost all Chathamization Apr 2015 #63

Thank you for your input, youceyec. And welcome to DU! n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #27

with all due respect.... mike_c Apr 2015 #48

If you say so, but if that's true you might want to consider asking for a refund Major Nikon Apr 2015 #78

aside from an obvious anti-science bias... mike_c Apr 2015 #29

That's your opinion. pnwmom Apr 2015 #31

no, it's not my opinion at all.... mike_c Apr 2015 #38

It is your OPINION that the article results from anti-science bias. pnwmom Apr 2015 #41

no, the anti-GMO movement is rabidly and implacably anti-science.... mike_c Apr 2015 #44

Molecular biologists tend to side with the GMO supporters. immoderate Apr 2015 #54

that's not my experience at all.... mike_c Apr 2015 #68

Well, a Scientist who worked for 30 on GMOs has become a Whistle Blower and sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #85

Since he understands the science it trumps yours. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #40

You need to specify that you're not a Monsanto shill. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #33

I see. Scientists who favor GMO labelling are anti-scientific. eridani Apr 2015 #59

OK, I will.... mike_c Apr 2015 #65

Scientists can't comment reliably on anything unless they can have access to results eridani Apr 2015 #82

you have no idea what you're talking about.... mike_c Apr 2015 #83

Hey--is Scientific American scientific enough for you? eridani Apr 2015 #84

no, Scientific American is a popular magazine marketed to non-scientists.... mike_c Apr 2015 #90

So genetic engineering that attempts to keep modified organisms OUT of the environment-- eridani Apr 2015 #91

It's bad because it's "playing god" Major Nikon Apr 2015 #79

I think it's a moot point. RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #60

YAY!!! +1000000. Exactly. And all the Monsanto shills will try to convince us otherwise. Zorra Apr 2015 #66

LOL! All three of them! Rex Apr 2015 #87

How long would it take to breed a glow in the dark cat? booley Apr 2015 #88

Yes, it is. You are pushing pure ignorance here. HuckleB Jun 2015 #92

No, I'm "pushing" the standard, well- accepted definition of genetic engineering. pnwmom Jun 2015 #93

And your reference is wikipedia, not actual scientists. HuckleB Jun 2015 #94

You should correct that Wikipedia article, and the Consumers Union article, pnwmom Jun 2015 #95

Nice confession. HuckleB Jun 2015 #96

Your link is to a long article that does nothing to address the point. pnwmom Jun 2015 #97