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joshcryer

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93. "build fear among potential members"

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #92)

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:08 AM

Apr 2015

I think that is exclusive with whether you support Obama or not. You can be against fear mongering and Obama and vice versa. To me it has nothing to do with Obama.

The NRA doesn't get membership by saying "everything is fine and dandy" they get it by saying "they're going to take your guns!"

By the same token, Greenpeace doesn't get membership by saying "hey, the US environmental roadmap is to be fully renewable by 2030-2050!" they get it by saying "the earth is fucked!"

Fear is a driving force between many associations. I don't think it's wrong to point this out. I'm not making some overarching statement about motivations. I'm sure a lot of those organizations oppose it for truly sincere reasons. And I'm not saying that they sit around boardroom tables saying "fear sells!"

It's just a reaction to what gins up the most support.

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Hillary is against it? I missed that. arcane1 Apr 2015 #1

She has not come out against it. morningfog Apr 2015 #64

Hillary has gone on record many times in support of TPP Joe Turner Apr 2015 #87

... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #2

from article WARREN WING OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #4

Good point. I think this kind of talk is for people who follow politics closely Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #8

it's just an internet thing. JI7 Apr 2015 #21

How can it be good for the environment, based on EVERYTHING we have seen and read one of the NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #3

The idea that it allows companies to ignore environmental law is ridiculous. It forces the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #6

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There is no exact wording yet but here is the USTR website stating that was one of their okaawhatever Apr 2015 #16

So good, but if no exact wording yet, then TPA is a terrible idea, and maybe that makes NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #18

And that WILL be strictly enforced!!!111!! merrily Apr 2015 #63

One question Andy823 Apr 2015 #10

IDK , poster here said it NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #11

"EVERYTHING we have seen and read" usually means a load of baloney ucrdem Apr 2015 #43

Obama is supporting it for god sake. How if incomplete? Nt Logical Apr 2015 #54

Absolutely. I don't know if it's terrific, but I know it could be. There are two ways to make US okaawhatever Apr 2015 #5

Good info. Hoyt Apr 2015 #33

just tell us what those standards are nt G_j Apr 2015 #46

"leveling the playing field" Joe Turner Apr 2015 #85

Sorry, but no: your anecdotal 'evidence' means nothing. Maedhros Apr 2015 #9

Is your anecdotal evidence better? procon Apr 2015 #28

+ 10,000 nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #47

correct, it is simple. G_j Apr 2015 #48

The evidence isn't anecdotal - it's leaked pages from the actual draft legislation. Maedhros Apr 2015 #65

Would this "evidence" be the same outdated drafts that everyone procon Apr 2015 #78

Got a link to Hillary Clinton saying she opposes it? 99Forever Apr 2015 #12

I don't doubt a link to something equivocal exists somewhere. merrily Apr 2015 #82

Does this sound like someone who opposes TPP? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #83

I'm sure you love her after calling her a liar and a cheap politician. n/t Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #13

Obama's read it, Warren's read it, Sander's read it, DUers have not, Your son (cough cough) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #14

That's how I see it too. JEB Apr 2015 #40

Which is why we can't see it.... daleanime Apr 2015 #15

Yeah, it's just like shaking the present before Christmas Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #66

Hillary hasn't said either way. I do think Warren is Grandstanding. Cha Apr 2015 #17

bullshit cali Apr 2015 #19

but her child worked 4 years on this Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #22

And the question is: posturing for what? arcane1 Apr 2015 #26

It's true Depaysement Apr 2015 #37

"The TPP enshrines capitalization as a principle of jurisprudence" Auggie Apr 2015 #20

Hillary isn't against it Oilwellian Apr 2015 #23

but the OP said that Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #24

White House Says Enviros Love This Trade Pact, But Enviros Say Otherwise muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #25

You don't build membership by supporting Obama, the NRA learned that lesson too. Hoyt Apr 2015 #35

boy, did you just discredit yourself cali Apr 2015 #72

But on this, they are using the same tactics. Hoyt Apr 2015 #74

Odious, but true. joshcryer Apr 2015 #79

It's complete nonsense. As cali said, the organisations are totally different muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #90

That's not what I think at all. joshcryer Apr 2015 #91

The poster said they're doing it to build their membership muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #92

"build fear among potential members" joshcryer Apr 2015 #93

The title you replied 'true' to: "You don't build membership by supporting Obama, the NRA learned" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #94

Because the final version has not been presented I would hope the decision to back it or not Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #27

I want to believe it but if it's so great you'd think they'd want to pat themselves on the back tularetom Apr 2015 #29

Well, maybe HE will share a copy of the draft on that. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #30

As soon as it's ready. randome Apr 2015 #31

I don't understand why you were attacked, procon Apr 2015 #32

this pettiness i am seeing with the whole "secret" crap, i am waiting until it comes out and will seabeyond Apr 2015 #34

If it's so great why can't we all read it Depaysement Apr 2015 #36

we will. when it is done. like always. then we argue it. then it is voted on. again. like always seabeyond Apr 2015 #38

So then why does it have to be fast-tracked before it's done? nt Depaysement Apr 2015 #41

So Congress can't wreck it. ucrdem Apr 2015 #42

You've already posted this at least once Depaysement Apr 2015 #44

Yes, also a couple of threads back in January, ucrdem Apr 2015 #45

THANK YOU ucrdem Apr 2015 #39

lol, i'm not sure you know what explaining means. Nt Logical Apr 2015 #55

so a Bill that all of the republicans including Paul Ryan and Obama are for is great for us? Doctor_J Apr 2015 #49

Who knew that multi-national corporations and Republicans are now pro-worker and pro-environment? neverforget Apr 2015 #50

Hmmm... Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #51

I think the issue is people want to see for themselves. The final agreement will be made public still_one Apr 2015 #52

Well since I know nothing about you or your son I'll stick with Warren! Nt Logical Apr 2015 #53

And Grayson and Sanders and Sherrod Brown and Barbara Lee and Warren Doctor_J Apr 2015 #56

+1000 nt Logical Apr 2015 #57

This thread brought to you courtesy of 270 Strategies. n/t brentspeak Apr 2015 #58

We need to stop this fighting neighbor tim Apr 2015 #59

No she's horrible. Pick someone better Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #60

She's a fine lady neighbor tim Apr 2015 #61

Gosh, I hope you won't be offended if I say I think you're a bullshitter. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #89

I'm not offended. neighbor tim Apr 2015 #96

I can't get enough of posters who insist DU must unite behind them. merrily Apr 2015 #67

We have to trust President Obama. neighbor tim Apr 2015 #69

Actually, we don't, he isn't and I hope to heaven infighting does help us. merrily Apr 2015 #71

We just have to trust him on this one. neighbor tim Apr 2015 #77

Why are you repeating what I just replied to? merrily Apr 2015 #80

I don't know . This is all new to me. I'll try and see. neighbor tim Apr 2015 #81

You get an extra tuna sandwich for having the last word. merrily Apr 2015 #84

no we don't. and it's republicans who heavily support this. cali Apr 2015 #75

We have to have President Obama's back. neighbor tim Apr 2015 #76

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #73

If it's so great...let us SEE it... Ken Burch Apr 2015 #62

Excuse me if I don't take your son's word on it. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #68

I expect our government to do what is the right thing for us, not necessarily what misinformed Hoyt Apr 2015 #86

My son thinks it's a shit agreement. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #70

I don't monitor China trade Rolando Apr 2015 #88

If all that were true, then why are Republicans supporting it? n/t eridani Apr 2015 #95

My son is President Obama's personal advisor. He says the deal sucks. So there. Scuba Apr 2015 #97

Well then make it public and let people read it and discuss it rurallib Apr 2015 #98

Eh gobears10 Apr 2015 #99