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RiverLover

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132. Third Way Dems: Deny. Deflect. Demean.

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 08:18 AM

Apr 2015

They've made it a CRIME for the American public to know what's in the TPP & TTIP.

That's a clue.

We only know what's in it from what has been leaked. How sad is that? What's even sadder, is we know from the leaked chapters that it hurts workers and environmental protections.

Profits over People & the Planet. Supersized.

This deal is for corporate rule over local govts. And it is backed by republicans. Its opposed by unions.

I'm horrified that another Democrat is leading on another destructive "trade" deal to take more of our jobs overseas & further weaken local govts & businesses in favor of multinational corporate rule & stockholder profits.

It's even more horrifying that he's trying to demean his own party, who are only trying to stand up for US.

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CUT THE CRAP, Warrenistas: The TPP is NOT secret. [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #1

first of all, 'warrenistas' is crap. We are all dems. Secondly, even if you wade out of the roguevalley Apr 2015 #148

President Obama said Warren is dishonest for saying the bill is secret. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #151

+1 MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #161

All Obama would need to do is to be open about the reasons for secrecy erronis Apr 2015 #176

Clearly Warren poses a threat to Obama's oligarchy pals. L0oniX Apr 2015 #195

I like a tiny bit of yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #171

can't have any more of those pesky leaks don't ya know. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #2

The ones telling the TRUTH are Ryan, Paul, Hatch, McConnell and the US Chamber of Commerce! neverforget Apr 2015 #3

Why don't you cut the crap? You CAN read it, as soon as it's finalized. Oh, and tell Ms. Warren to okaawhatever Apr 2015 #4

15000 pages, 60 days, incl.in depth legal and econ analysis.good luck. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #31

and when we are done reading it and it sucks the TeaPubliKlans can shove it on through inimpeded. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #178

So put that in your pipes and smoke it, you hippies! gratuitous Apr 2015 #5

Recommending, because you are clearly starving for attention emulatorloo Apr 2015 #6

+1 zappaman Apr 2015 #8

+2! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #47

So our President went to war with our Senior Senator today MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #52

There is another strong woman that needs to understand what is happening here too. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #121

Not sure this isn't his game plan... erronis Apr 2015 #177

Strong women like Elizabeth and Hillary are indeed vital to our future. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #11

Nice rebuttle AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #36

Rebuttle? Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #154

Snark , That's all you guys ever have,, sad bahrbearian Apr 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #124

Snark is so early internet. And that was so long ago when I see it now sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #186

What you said. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #100

Someone lost their alerting privileges for 24 hours. .... msanthrope Apr 2015 #141

Damnnnnn ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #146

Ouch Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #149

The Protectorate is eager to alert on any slight, real or imagined, directed toward their hero...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #150

I wonder if the different personas have different protectorates. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #156

"No, Manny, it's not a personal attack ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #200

That juror #6 certainly felt strongly. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #207

We see what we wish to see�. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #163

-1 MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #162

Damn tootin'!! nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #170

Which Manny Persona do you pay attention to? emulatorloo Apr 2015 #206

Gee�. I can? Thank you! MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #208

Gee...Willful misinterpretation is so cute! emulatorloo Apr 2015 #209

I heard you the first time� and I'm being snarky, not cute... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #210

fair enough and thanks emulatorloo Apr 2015 #211

-2 L0oniX Apr 2015 #192

Thread Winner and Slayer in one. Number23 Apr 2015 #203

Thanks Manny for white-washing .. ah, I mean .. clarifying the TPP 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #7

Well if you can't trust 600 global corporate lobbyists who can you trust? zeemike Apr 2015 #12

Funny dat 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #13

Proof great minds think alike. zeemike Apr 2015 #18

One of those 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #27

Were they all given national security clearances? Oilwellian Apr 2015 #15

They don't need no stinking national security clearances zeemike Apr 2015 #19

+1 LMFAO L0oniX Apr 2015 #193

Well, for starters, the religion blogger who made up that list. procon Apr 2015 #66

Do we have any idea that this list isn't accurate? erronis Apr 2015 #190

She made it up and offers no actual citation to her back up her claims. procon Apr 2015 #196

Pfffttt! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #133

LOL! whathehell Apr 2015 #153

Reminds me of the president christx30 Apr 2015 #185

I wish it were like that movie. zeemike Apr 2015 #188

I just cringe when I see DUers who just KNOW Obama knows this will be good for us Skittles Apr 2015 #9

Rand Fucking Paul and his twin, muscle head Paul Fucking Ryan are for it. Who are we to disagree? Autumn Apr 2015 #10

And don't forget Bro Carnival Cruz! moondust Apr 2015 #41

I wonder if perhaps we should start showing them some proper respect Autumn Apr 2015 #140

They are the most progressive Congress in history, Dragonfli Apr 2015 #145

"Kumbaya, My Lord" moondust Apr 2015 #174

This is not cool RobertEarl Apr 2015 #14

Just Say Goodbye Yallow Apr 2015 #16

Any of you can choose to read the objectives of what the KMOD Apr 2015 #17

The objectives of NAFTA Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #20

This is nothing like NAFTA at all. KMOD Apr 2015 #24

The summary pages giveth Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #30

And the Senate has the ability to taketh away as well. KMOD Apr 2015 #42

No they don't. Fuddnik Apr 2015 #68

You obviously haven't read the fast track agreement. KMOD Apr 2015 #70

Where do you come by this delusion that TPP has anything to do with trade? eridani Apr 2015 #122

Quite clearly... 99Forever Apr 2015 #125

Your post is a thing of beauty BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #175

And you must be a Senior Senator on the Finance Committee who got to read a few pages...... Fuddnik Apr 2015 #67

Nope KMOD Apr 2015 #69

... bahrbearian Apr 2015 #84

. KMOD Apr 2015 #86

??? bahrbearian Apr 2015 #92

. KMOD Apr 2015 #94

Ah yes, condensation... bluesbassman Apr 2015 #103

. KMOD Apr 2015 #115

Yes, and that's why all of the labor and environmental groups are against it, and stillwaiting Apr 2015 #118

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #134

Do tell. bvar22 Apr 2015 #199

Say it loud and say it proud, Elwood P Dowd truedelphi Apr 2015 #189

But not the bill itself. zeemike Apr 2015 #22

Of course not. KMOD Apr 2015 #33

Heard that same thing about NAFTA too. zeemike Apr 2015 #53

Nobody knows. There is no negotiation yet. KMOD Apr 2015 #57

Well I share your disgust, but not for the same reasons I am sure. zeemike Apr 2015 #65

Congress has been briefed 1700 times. KMOD Apr 2015 #73

Well I have not seen anything in it that would fix NAFTA zeemike Apr 2015 #79

Did you read the proposals in the fast track bill? KMOD Apr 2015 #80

Well that's the polk zeemike Apr 2015 #81

Me, too! KMOD Apr 2015 #85

Exactly SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #143

Practically all you can get in the stores in USA are goods from Asia (esp. China) & the S. Pacific brett_jv Apr 2015 #72

First, it's not secret. KMOD Apr 2015 #74

... bahrbearian Apr 2015 #87

Who had the avatar first? KMOD Apr 2015 #91

Your buddy Sid bahrbearian Apr 2015 #98

Just loving the plain vanilla language you're using! CANDO Apr 2015 #144

... bahrbearian Apr 2015 #83

??? KMOD Apr 2015 #88

something you might understand bahrbearian Apr 2015 #90

okey dokey then. KMOD Apr 2015 #93

??? bahrbearian Apr 2015 #95

Fuck OBJECTIVES. Give me what I'm entitled to... the TEXT of the entire thing. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #101

There is no text of the entire thing, KMOD Apr 2015 #102

I want to see what's on paper and being debated in secret. So does about 80% of the voting public. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #104

No offense, but you are buying into a script that isn't accurate. KMOD Apr 2015 #107

SHOW ME THE MONEY, and earn my trust. Nothing disgusting OR sad about that. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #108

Yes, let's hold this President to different standards. KMOD Apr 2015 #109

Different standards than what? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #111

The standards being heralded towards this Presidents trade agreement KMOD Apr 2015 #112

Go hide your face then if you're ashamed. "...the most transparent," is fucking bullshit. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #113

No. I will not hide my face. KMOD Apr 2015 #114

I am happy to hear that that is all you have to say. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #136

Many people (I was one) were horrified by NAFTA when it was proposed and passed. myrna minx Apr 2015 #120

Exactly. And our worst fears were realized. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #137

Great post, cherokeeprogressive! I share your sentiments. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #135

No question on questioning authority! MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #169

As Frank Underwood would say IronLionZion Apr 2015 #139

You do realize that in the world of business.. sendero Apr 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author davidthegnome Apr 2015 #21

You are correct my friend! StoneCarver Apr 2015 #43

The annexes will be boilerplate. joshcryer Apr 2015 #23

Until they're not. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #25

Do you have a source for the "hundreds of thousands of pages" comment, btw? joshcryer Apr 2015 #29

You just proved my point, thanks. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #37

I read it wrong too. davidthegnome Apr 2015 #45

Are you available for a Three Stooges remake? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #49

Can I be Mo? davidthegnome Apr 2015 #54

. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #63

Oops, yeah, I did misread. joshcryer Apr 2015 #59

But then it's too late. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #61

60 days is enough time for a SOPA/net neutrality style outpouring. joshcryer Apr 2015 #62

In this case, I suspect that you're right MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #64

My guess is it doesn't happen. joshcryer Apr 2015 #71

"Little ticking time bombs, like the change in a word that has SCOTUS reconsidering the ACA." progree Apr 2015 #56

Until people have lived with this stuff, they have no idea MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #58

Yeah, they think it's like reading some steamy sex novel, and all they have to keep track of progree Apr 2015 #60

To paraphrase my Senior Senator... MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #78

LOL, yeah, I figured I was setting myself up with that analogy. Figuring out who is getting fucked progree Apr 2015 #89

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #194

Many of us know who is fucking who. They are the one's doing the fucking, Autumn Apr 2015 #158

And I forgot. It's not just one draft one reads and one is done -- but reading draft after draft progree Apr 2015 #97

I've read and drafted many contracts and SEC filings in my life, amandabeech Apr 2015 #164

Manny, did you or someone else purge folks like Unions, Brookings, Consumer Unions, Universities, Hoyt Apr 2015 #26

Have you paid any attention to what has happened to unions in this country? Have you not neverforget Apr 2015 #32

Many of those are lobbying groups, I believe MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #34

E Warren's campaign organization is likely a corporation too. Hoyt Apr 2015 #77

Yeah, here's the guy that left that one off... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #173

You seriously highlighted the Tx Dept of Ag, Tx Farm Bureau and Tx House of Reps? LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #44

But the NJ's Governor's office is a benificent entity MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #46

So is this statement true or false? zeemike Apr 2015 #48

Does anyone have a link to the text of the latest draft? The Second Stone Apr 2015 #28

Manny - great post Red Oak Apr 2015 #35

Who do you trust??? americannightmare Apr 2015 #38

These weasels have had 6 years to analyze and fine tune every phrase of every paragraph to GoneFishin Apr 2015 #39

kick midnight Apr 2015 #40

A question... davidthegnome Apr 2015 #50

If he doesn't know what's in it tblue Apr 2015 #116

Oops, I'm back. I forgot the REC progree Apr 2015 #51

"trade agreements" are not meant to benefit workers... mike_c Apr 2015 #55

Truth. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #138

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #75

K and R. Excellent! bbgrunt Apr 2015 #76

So Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz is wrong about the secrecy too? jalan48 Apr 2015 #96

TPP actually stands for transplanetary partnership and certainot Apr 2015 #99

What's a Warrenista? romanic Apr 2015 #105

It's a poorly constructed insult aimed at those not emotionally invested in a politician. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #110

I think your sarcasm detector could use a little fine-tuning. (nt) Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #155

My question too. It seems to be an attempt to smear those who do not agree with him on this. jalan48 Apr 2015 #147

Sure lucky we have wikileaks. PatrickforO Apr 2015 #106

http://www.trainingforwarriors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Power-of-One-e1347564153152.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #117

anybody that claims that workers on either side of t Pacific are anything other than an afterthought KG Apr 2015 #119

FDR to republicans: my trade negotiations are secret until they are finished. Then pampango Apr 2015 #123

Here's the bottom line on that piece of logic... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #165

I think Woodrow Wilson said the same thing though FDR apparently did not agree. pampango Apr 2015 #181

So, you think the lack of negotiation transparency is somehow outside of anyone's country, do you? MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #184

Obsess much? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #126

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #127

Oh but clearly the uber wealthy have only ever had our interests at heart! nt RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #129

K&R deutsey Apr 2015 #130

One of your best OPs ever. Thanks, Manny. marble falls Apr 2015 #131

Third Way Dems: Deny. Deflect. Demean. RiverLover Apr 2015 #132

. ctsnowman Apr 2015 #142

Love your parodies of Third Way 'splainin, Manny. They are so spot on. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #152

First of all ann--- Apr 2015 #157

K&R! Big time! marym625 Apr 2015 #159

This transparency on TPP is outrageous, yet the NSA can spy on us� brilliant, America�. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #160

I've never seen Obama like this. DirkGently Apr 2015 #166

I've always thought that something like this was behind the "Mr. Cool" attitude. amandabeech Apr 2015 #167

What I get from it Cosmocat Apr 2015 #180

Warren & Whitehouse are "rat fucking wastes?" DirkGently Apr 2015 #182

You are a treasure, Manny! hifiguy Apr 2015 #168

Kick NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #172

Kick and R. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #183

Froman is an idiot. He made a fool of himself in that hearing, desperately trying sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #187

"classified for national security reasons" = classified for corporate security reasons L0oniX Apr 2015 #191

Manny, if you can't trust Wall Street bankers, hughee99 Apr 2015 #197

this is more to the point than you might of realized when you wrote it questionseverything Apr 2015 #198

What can I say Manny? K and R! NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #201

Clickbait. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #202

Of course it's not secret - seems everyone on DU knows everything there is to know about it! George II Apr 2015 #204

How can so many people compalin about what's in the TPP Progressive dog Apr 2015 #205

Good luck during the primaries!!! LanternWaste Apr 2015 #212