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Sat Apr 25, 2015, 11:26 AM Apr 2015

Charles Pierce: TPP approval process 'an exercise in kabuki democracy' [View all]

Stuff The President Said Today
In which the president oversells the bad deal that is the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

By Charles Pierce

The president got on the horn with some reporters today and escalated the argument he's having with Senator Professor Warren and his progressive base over the Trans-Pacific Partnership. This has become quite the hooley indeed.

"The one that gets on my nerves the most is the notion that this is a 'secret' deal," Obama said. "Every single one of the critics who I hear saying, 'this is a secret deal,' or send out emails to their fundraising base saying they're working to prevent this secret deal, can walk over today and read the text of the agreement. There's nothing secret about it."


In fact, there's been a lot that's secret about it ever since the negotiations began. It was negotiated behind closed doors, and for reasons that benefited nobody except large corporations and the politicians, dictators, and provincial satraps who do their bidding. (The fact we know much of anything at all is because the good folks at WikiLeaks threw some of the treaty out into the world, which is hardly a proof that the TPP isn't a "secret" deal. WikiLeaks doesn't do a lot of work with stuff that's in the public domain.) The congressional opportunities that the president is referring to are limited, and there's no good reason for that, either.

"When I listen to criticism of this deal, what I primarily hear is criticism of NAFTA," Obama said. "If you don't like the fact that labor provisions aren't enforceable right now, why wouldn't you want a trade deal that makes labor provisions enforceable with some of the same countries we currently trade with?"


The NAFTA labor provisions were supposed to be enforceable, too. How'd that work out? Most of it was smoke and mirrors and nonsense. As John MacArthur writes in his book about the selling of "free trade," even Al Gore's famous trouncing of Ross Perot in their televised debate over NAFTA was based primarily on what the Reverend Ike used to call "pie in the sky by and by when you die." MacArthur expanded on that in an interview with Bill Moyers in 2007:

No, because it's just like the NAFTA side agreements in the '90s. They guaranteed all sorts of things in the side agreements: labor rights, environmental protection in Mexico. And none of it got done. Virtually none of it got done. Now, in these agreements, they're saying that these countries are suddenly going to start respecting labor rights. That countries like Peru, which can only survive by selling us their cheap labor. In other words, that's all they've got-- are going to raise their labor standards that would kill the very justification for set-- for setting up a factory in Peru. It's the same thing in Mexico. It's the same thing in China.


History insists that the only reason to believe that the TPP will be any different in this regard is if you trust the president who's currently peddling the old moonshine. And the notion that we get to see all of this monstrosity only after the Congress gives the president the power to zip it through unchanged is something of an exercise in kabuki democracy.

"I'm not adverse to continuing to engage with members of Congress or unions or anybody else in the progressive community about how we can make sure this is the strongest agreement possible," Obama concluded. "But what I am adverse to is a bunch of ad hominem attacks and misinformation that stirs up the base but ultimately doesn't serve them well. And I'm going to be pushing back very hard if I keep on hearing that."


It takes some big clanging brass ones to complain about ad hominem attacks after you've essentially just called SPW and others liars. But, more curiously, after spending six years taking all manner of distasteful and racist abuse on everything from his legislative agenda to the circumstances of his birth with amazing equanimity, the president decides that this is the issue on which he will not tolerate ad hominem attacks? That's just weird. The president has got to understand that the country has heard this before, that it has swallowed enough snake oil to gag a python, and that it is righteously skeptical of any deal this big that is being sold so hard by so many people who have proven that they do not have the best interests of most Americans at heart. That's not ad hominem. Them's the facts.


read: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a34613/the-president-overtpps/

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What were/are the labor and environmental standards in these countries before? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #1
fantastic bigtree Apr 2015 #3
+1 Enthusiast Apr 2015 #10
I believe we should keep pushing for better labor/enviro standards. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #13
TPP has two primary goals: hifiguy Apr 2015 #22
I don't think opponents of this trade pact endorse 'giving up' bigtree Apr 2015 #26
+10 million!!!! This is a textbook case of what we'll find happening riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #43
How is the TPP going to do that? For all countries involved? n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #46
it would be if enforceable cali Apr 2015 #5
you asked a question. you got responses. so what do you think? cali Apr 2015 #9
Here's what I think: JaneyVee Apr 2015 #15
insanity is doing the same thing over and over in the hope cali Apr 2015 #17
I agree, there has to be a better way, and I'm all for stricter enforcement. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #28
Australia, Canada and Japan have zero labor and environmental standards????? fasttense Apr 2015 #41
Japan does, indeed, have strict labor standards Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #61
I thought so. fasttense Apr 2015 #66
First of all that would be good if it actually happened. But if any of these so-called "Free-Trade" rhett o rick Apr 2015 #44
It's the same communist government in Vietnam. Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #62
under the bus you go, Charlie cali Apr 2015 #2
Hyperbole. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #14
sure. employed to make a valid point cali Apr 2015 #25
By who? I absolutely love Pierce. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #27
He'll need a job someday. kentuck Apr 2015 #4
He sees how lavishly the Clintons were compensated for the services hifiguy Apr 2015 #18
+1 Well said. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #36
He finally comes out swinging, and it's against his own Party. SMC22307 Apr 2015 #6
I am at the same place on this. sybylla Apr 2015 #34
Agree with everything you said. SMC22307 Apr 2015 #40
Exactly. Why get his back up now?? Over TPP? Weird, indeed. Nay Apr 2015 #49
This is the Big Tuna. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #54
It's not secret, but we're not talking about it. DirkGently Apr 2015 #7
"This is a screw job, period, or it wouldn't be handled this way." SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #12
"... want something gigantic, done quickly, with a minimum of discussion ... ". I have seen this GoneFishin Apr 2015 #20
Seems like we all know this pattern, DirkGently Apr 2015 #23
Yep. Disaster capitalism salib Apr 2015 #57
Seems President Obama's only averse to ad hominem attacks from the left. nt truebluegreen Apr 2015 #8
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #11
The President is lying his ass off about TPP. hifiguy Apr 2015 #16
+1. He sounds desperate. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #21
K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #19
Kick. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #24
Charlie Pierce and the Rude Pundit are my favorite reads! ybbor Apr 2015 #29
I have a suggestion for anyone who uses the word "kabuki" to describe politics: Orrex Apr 2015 #30
meh. The art of song and dance bigtree Apr 2015 #33
"Kabuki" Depaysement Apr 2015 #35
Interesting tidbit Fairgo Apr 2015 #51
My "gutter-minded" brain read that as a different Japanese word MNBrewer Apr 2015 #64
"it has swallowed enough snake oil to gag a python" MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #31
Indeed. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #37
Even if it looks good on paper, moondust Apr 2015 #32
Kick and R. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #38
I can only hope he keeps "pushing back hard". pa28 Apr 2015 #39
"big clanging brass ones" indeed! k&r polichick Apr 2015 #42
Yes, the TPP is secret. cui bono Apr 2015 #45
Remember when Obama said he was "against" Citizens United??? blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #47
K n R for whole thread. Duppers Apr 2015 #48
a handful of people(worldwide) decide this . why is that? quadrature Apr 2015 #50
Love Charlie Pierce, tells it like it is. Please sign the petition..link Fla Dem Apr 2015 #52
same shit he was selling during the strong-arming of progressives ibegurpard Apr 2015 #53
Bill Clinton gets a presidential pension sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #55
K&R... elzenmahn Apr 2015 #56
thank you bigtree Skittles Apr 2015 #58
well, technically it's noh theater, but-- MisterP Apr 2015 #59
Right. No plot, no taste, no talent. n/t eridani Apr 2015 #60
pierce has been pretty consistent, but we got to this point by letting Obama get away with a lot Doctor_J Apr 2015 #63
K&R It ain't complicated. It is history, it is our future. raouldukelives Apr 2015 #65
Just sent this to my Senators uknotes Apr 2015 #67
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