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157. First of all

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 11:36 AM

Apr 2015

I agree with Warren but am not a "Warrenista." That is a condescending
insult to those of us who agree with her.

Obama is totally wrong on this and we will see from the consequences
that Warren was right.

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CUT THE CRAP, Warrenistas: The TPP is NOT secret. [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #1

first of all, 'warrenistas' is crap. We are all dems. Secondly, even if you wade out of the roguevalley Apr 2015 #148

President Obama said Warren is dishonest for saying the bill is secret. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #151

+1 MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #161

All Obama would need to do is to be open about the reasons for secrecy erronis Apr 2015 #176

Clearly Warren poses a threat to Obama's oligarchy pals. L0oniX Apr 2015 #195

I like a tiny bit of yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #171

can't have any more of those pesky leaks don't ya know. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #2

The ones telling the TRUTH are Ryan, Paul, Hatch, McConnell and the US Chamber of Commerce! neverforget Apr 2015 #3

Why don't you cut the crap? You CAN read it, as soon as it's finalized. Oh, and tell Ms. Warren to okaawhatever Apr 2015 #4

15000 pages, 60 days, incl.in depth legal and econ analysis.good luck. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #31

and when we are done reading it and it sucks the TeaPubliKlans can shove it on through inimpeded. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #178

So put that in your pipes and smoke it, you hippies! gratuitous Apr 2015 #5

Recommending, because you are clearly starving for attention emulatorloo Apr 2015 #6

+1 zappaman Apr 2015 #8

+2! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #47

So our President went to war with our Senior Senator today MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #52

There is another strong woman that needs to understand what is happening here too. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #121

Not sure this isn't his game plan... erronis Apr 2015 #177

Strong women like Elizabeth and Hillary are indeed vital to our future. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #11

Nice rebuttle AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #36

Rebuttle? Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #154

Snark , That's all you guys ever have,, sad bahrbearian Apr 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #124

Snark is so early internet. And that was so long ago when I see it now sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #186

What you said. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #100

Someone lost their alerting privileges for 24 hours. .... msanthrope Apr 2015 #141

Damnnnnn ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #146

Ouch Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #149

The Protectorate is eager to alert on any slight, real or imagined, directed toward their hero...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #150

I wonder if the different personas have different protectorates. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #156

"No, Manny, it's not a personal attack ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #200

That juror #6 certainly felt strongly. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #207

We see what we wish to see�. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #163

-1 MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #162

Damn tootin'!! nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #170

Which Manny Persona do you pay attention to? emulatorloo Apr 2015 #206

Gee�. I can? Thank you! MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #208

Gee...Willful misinterpretation is so cute! emulatorloo Apr 2015 #209

I heard you the first time� and I'm being snarky, not cute... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #210

fair enough and thanks emulatorloo Apr 2015 #211

-2 L0oniX Apr 2015 #192

Thread Winner and Slayer in one. Number23 Apr 2015 #203

Thanks Manny for white-washing .. ah, I mean .. clarifying the TPP 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #7

Well if you can't trust 600 global corporate lobbyists who can you trust? zeemike Apr 2015 #12

Funny dat 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #13

Proof great minds think alike. zeemike Apr 2015 #18

One of those 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #27

Were they all given national security clearances? Oilwellian Apr 2015 #15

They don't need no stinking national security clearances zeemike Apr 2015 #19

+1 LMFAO L0oniX Apr 2015 #193

Well, for starters, the religion blogger who made up that list. procon Apr 2015 #66

Do we have any idea that this list isn't accurate? erronis Apr 2015 #190

She made it up and offers no actual citation to her back up her claims. procon Apr 2015 #196

Pfffttt! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #133

LOL! whathehell Apr 2015 #153

Reminds me of the president christx30 Apr 2015 #185

I wish it were like that movie. zeemike Apr 2015 #188

I just cringe when I see DUers who just KNOW Obama knows this will be good for us Skittles Apr 2015 #9

Rand Fucking Paul and his twin, muscle head Paul Fucking Ryan are for it. Who are we to disagree? Autumn Apr 2015 #10

And don't forget Bro Carnival Cruz! moondust Apr 2015 #41

I wonder if perhaps we should start showing them some proper respect Autumn Apr 2015 #140

They are the most progressive Congress in history, Dragonfli Apr 2015 #145

"Kumbaya, My Lord" moondust Apr 2015 #174

This is not cool RobertEarl Apr 2015 #14

Just Say Goodbye Yallow Apr 2015 #16

Any of you can choose to read the objectives of what the KMOD Apr 2015 #17

The objectives of NAFTA Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #20

This is nothing like NAFTA at all. KMOD Apr 2015 #24

The summary pages giveth Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #30

And the Senate has the ability to taketh away as well. KMOD Apr 2015 #42

No they don't. Fuddnik Apr 2015 #68

You obviously haven't read the fast track agreement. KMOD Apr 2015 #70

Where do you come by this delusion that TPP has anything to do with trade? eridani Apr 2015 #122

Quite clearly... 99Forever Apr 2015 #125

Your post is a thing of beauty BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #175

And you must be a Senior Senator on the Finance Committee who got to read a few pages...... Fuddnik Apr 2015 #67

Nope KMOD Apr 2015 #69

... bahrbearian Apr 2015 #84

. KMOD Apr 2015 #86

??? bahrbearian Apr 2015 #92

. KMOD Apr 2015 #94

Ah yes, condensation... bluesbassman Apr 2015 #103

. KMOD Apr 2015 #115

Yes, and that's why all of the labor and environmental groups are against it, and stillwaiting Apr 2015 #118

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #134

Do tell. bvar22 Apr 2015 #199

Say it loud and say it proud, Elwood P Dowd truedelphi Apr 2015 #189

But not the bill itself. zeemike Apr 2015 #22

Of course not. KMOD Apr 2015 #33

Heard that same thing about NAFTA too. zeemike Apr 2015 #53

Nobody knows. There is no negotiation yet. KMOD Apr 2015 #57

Well I share your disgust, but not for the same reasons I am sure. zeemike Apr 2015 #65

Congress has been briefed 1700 times. KMOD Apr 2015 #73

Well I have not seen anything in it that would fix NAFTA zeemike Apr 2015 #79

Did you read the proposals in the fast track bill? KMOD Apr 2015 #80

Well that's the polk zeemike Apr 2015 #81

Me, too! KMOD Apr 2015 #85

Exactly SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #143

Practically all you can get in the stores in USA are goods from Asia (esp. China) & the S. Pacific brett_jv Apr 2015 #72

First, it's not secret. KMOD Apr 2015 #74

... bahrbearian Apr 2015 #87

Who had the avatar first? KMOD Apr 2015 #91

Your buddy Sid bahrbearian Apr 2015 #98

Just loving the plain vanilla language you're using! CANDO Apr 2015 #144

... bahrbearian Apr 2015 #83

??? KMOD Apr 2015 #88

something you might understand bahrbearian Apr 2015 #90

okey dokey then. KMOD Apr 2015 #93

??? bahrbearian Apr 2015 #95

Fuck OBJECTIVES. Give me what I'm entitled to... the TEXT of the entire thing. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #101

There is no text of the entire thing, KMOD Apr 2015 #102

I want to see what's on paper and being debated in secret. So does about 80% of the voting public. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #104

No offense, but you are buying into a script that isn't accurate. KMOD Apr 2015 #107

SHOW ME THE MONEY, and earn my trust. Nothing disgusting OR sad about that. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #108

Yes, let's hold this President to different standards. KMOD Apr 2015 #109

Different standards than what? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #111

The standards being heralded towards this Presidents trade agreement KMOD Apr 2015 #112

Go hide your face then if you're ashamed. "...the most transparent," is fucking bullshit. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #113

No. I will not hide my face. KMOD Apr 2015 #114

I am happy to hear that that is all you have to say. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #136

Many people (I was one) were horrified by NAFTA when it was proposed and passed. myrna minx Apr 2015 #120

Exactly. And our worst fears were realized. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #137

Great post, cherokeeprogressive! I share your sentiments. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #135

No question on questioning authority! MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #169

As Frank Underwood would say IronLionZion Apr 2015 #139

You do realize that in the world of business.. sendero Apr 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author davidthegnome Apr 2015 #21

You are correct my friend! StoneCarver Apr 2015 #43

The annexes will be boilerplate. joshcryer Apr 2015 #23

Until they're not. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #25

Do you have a source for the "hundreds of thousands of pages" comment, btw? joshcryer Apr 2015 #29

You just proved my point, thanks. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #37

I read it wrong too. davidthegnome Apr 2015 #45

Are you available for a Three Stooges remake? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #49

Can I be Mo? davidthegnome Apr 2015 #54

. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #63

Oops, yeah, I did misread. joshcryer Apr 2015 #59

But then it's too late. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #61

60 days is enough time for a SOPA/net neutrality style outpouring. joshcryer Apr 2015 #62

In this case, I suspect that you're right MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #64

My guess is it doesn't happen. joshcryer Apr 2015 #71

"Little ticking time bombs, like the change in a word that has SCOTUS reconsidering the ACA." progree Apr 2015 #56

Until people have lived with this stuff, they have no idea MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #58

Yeah, they think it's like reading some steamy sex novel, and all they have to keep track of progree Apr 2015 #60

To paraphrase my Senior Senator... MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #78

LOL, yeah, I figured I was setting myself up with that analogy. Figuring out who is getting fucked progree Apr 2015 #89

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #194

Many of us know who is fucking who. They are the one's doing the fucking, Autumn Apr 2015 #158

And I forgot. It's not just one draft one reads and one is done -- but reading draft after draft progree Apr 2015 #97

I've read and drafted many contracts and SEC filings in my life, amandabeech Apr 2015 #164

Manny, did you or someone else purge folks like Unions, Brookings, Consumer Unions, Universities, Hoyt Apr 2015 #26

Have you paid any attention to what has happened to unions in this country? Have you not neverforget Apr 2015 #32

Many of those are lobbying groups, I believe MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #34

E Warren's campaign organization is likely a corporation too. Hoyt Apr 2015 #77

Yeah, here's the guy that left that one off... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #173

You seriously highlighted the Tx Dept of Ag, Tx Farm Bureau and Tx House of Reps? LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #44

But the NJ's Governor's office is a benificent entity MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #46

So is this statement true or false? zeemike Apr 2015 #48

Does anyone have a link to the text of the latest draft? The Second Stone Apr 2015 #28

Manny - great post Red Oak Apr 2015 #35

Who do you trust??? americannightmare Apr 2015 #38

These weasels have had 6 years to analyze and fine tune every phrase of every paragraph to GoneFishin Apr 2015 #39

kick midnight Apr 2015 #40

A question... davidthegnome Apr 2015 #50

If he doesn't know what's in it tblue Apr 2015 #116

Oops, I'm back. I forgot the REC progree Apr 2015 #51

"trade agreements" are not meant to benefit workers... mike_c Apr 2015 #55

Truth. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #138

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #75

K and R. Excellent! bbgrunt Apr 2015 #76

So Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz is wrong about the secrecy too? jalan48 Apr 2015 #96

TPP actually stands for transplanetary partnership and certainot Apr 2015 #99

What's a Warrenista? romanic Apr 2015 #105

It's a poorly constructed insult aimed at those not emotionally invested in a politician. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #110

I think your sarcasm detector could use a little fine-tuning. (nt) Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #155

My question too. It seems to be an attempt to smear those who do not agree with him on this. jalan48 Apr 2015 #147

Sure lucky we have wikileaks. PatrickforO Apr 2015 #106

http://www.trainingforwarriors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Power-of-One-e1347564153152.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #117

anybody that claims that workers on either side of t Pacific are anything other than an afterthought KG Apr 2015 #119

FDR to republicans: my trade negotiations are secret until they are finished. Then pampango Apr 2015 #123

Here's the bottom line on that piece of logic... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #165

I think Woodrow Wilson said the same thing though FDR apparently did not agree. pampango Apr 2015 #181

So, you think the lack of negotiation transparency is somehow outside of anyone's country, do you? MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #184

Obsess much? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #126

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #127

Oh but clearly the uber wealthy have only ever had our interests at heart! nt RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #129

K&R deutsey Apr 2015 #130

One of your best OPs ever. Thanks, Manny. marble falls Apr 2015 #131

Third Way Dems: Deny. Deflect. Demean. RiverLover Apr 2015 #132

. ctsnowman Apr 2015 #142

Love your parodies of Third Way 'splainin, Manny. They are so spot on. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #152

First of all ann--- Apr 2015 #157

K&R! Big time! marym625 Apr 2015 #159

This transparency on TPP is outrageous, yet the NSA can spy on us� brilliant, America�. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #160

I've never seen Obama like this. DirkGently Apr 2015 #166

I've always thought that something like this was behind the "Mr. Cool" attitude. amandabeech Apr 2015 #167

What I get from it Cosmocat Apr 2015 #180

Warren & Whitehouse are "rat fucking wastes?" DirkGently Apr 2015 #182

You are a treasure, Manny! hifiguy Apr 2015 #168

Kick NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #172

Kick and R. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #183

Froman is an idiot. He made a fool of himself in that hearing, desperately trying sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #187

"classified for national security reasons" = classified for corporate security reasons L0oniX Apr 2015 #191

Manny, if you can't trust Wall Street bankers, hughee99 Apr 2015 #197

this is more to the point than you might of realized when you wrote it questionseverything Apr 2015 #198

What can I say Manny? K and R! NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #201

Clickbait. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #202

Of course it's not secret - seems everyone on DU knows everything there is to know about it! George II Apr 2015 #204

How can so many people compalin about what's in the TPP Progressive dog Apr 2015 #205

Good luck during the primaries!!! LanternWaste Apr 2015 #212