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312. So how do you explain

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 02:56 PM

Apr 2015

Joseph Stiglitz and Robert Reich both heavily criticizing the TPP. They are not politicians and not "fundraising" for anyone. What about Jared Bernstein, who used to be in the Administration, saying the TPP should be defeated unless it has enforceable currency provisions in it? Who is he "fundraising" for?

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/on-the-wrong-side-of-globalization/?_r=0
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-reich-trumka-tpp-trade-fast-track-20150303-story.html
http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/no-negotiating-a-currency-chapter-in-the-tpp-will-not-cause-and-trade-war-or-cost-us-jobs/

And what's your interest here in keeping the deal a secret? Why are you not interested in seeing the text and being able to weigh in on it to be changed as citizens can do with any other piece of developing legislation? How does it make America a better democracy to keep these deals, which have the force of law, secret until it is too late to fix the damaging provisions in them? Would you have liked the Affordable Care Act to have been done that way? I sure wouldn't.

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Obama: Elizabeth Warren is "dishonest" [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

Make the text public now if it is so great....! peacebird Apr 2015 #1

A bunch of regular citizens should go over and say, OK, we are here to read it. Maineman Apr 2015 #155

I am seriously upset with him with such a statement. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #2

Obama was NEVER on our side. FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #34

I guess it was bound to come out eventually. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #85

It's taken a long time for some to realize that. ozone_man Apr 2015 #195

He has given us everything that his Wall Street masters will let him! Dustlawyer Apr 2015 #297

I absolutely agree with you Divernan Apr 2015 #71

Agreed, this is flat-out lying I hate liars Apr 2015 #113

He thinks we're as stupid as republicans sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #125

Bullshit mimi85 Apr 2015 #249

Just wow. Never saw this coming. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #279

Brava Peggy! marym625 Apr 2015 #170

Thank you, my dear marym625... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #176

I should have known marym625 Apr 2015 #181

That is very kind of you. I am not a great thinker, but I always give my honest opinion. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #182

Don't sell yourself short. And honesty is something need more of here. marym625 Apr 2015 #187

... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #190

Warren is no savior Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #202

Really? She's fund raising for what? She's not running. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #206

This quote from a Huffington Post story Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #231

So how do you explain OrwellwasRight Apr 2015 #312

Lots of folks are against the trade agreement Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #316

And, she is not "dishonest". OrwellwasRight Apr 2015 #325

I'm with you...wtf?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #278

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #3

+1000000000 liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #5

Turns out he forgot the word 'least' in there somewhere. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #52

Obama admin.has delayed/ignored FOIA requests more than any previous administration. Divernan Apr 2015 #74

This administration is as transparent as limo tints d_legendary1 Apr 2015 #303

Silly Manny! I have links to the TPP documents for all to see ...every fine detail of it... L0oniX Apr 2015 #314

Remember how she was being brought into the establishment to help it message??? HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #4

As long as she messaged what Jamie and Lloyd wanted, it would have been fine MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #7

Obama: "ad hominem attacks and misinformation that stirs up the base. . . I'm going to be pushing... morningfog Apr 2015 #6

The President engages in ad hominem attacks guillaumeb Apr 2015 #10

When has he ever gone after a Republican as clearly as this? BlueStreak Apr 2015 #117

harsh, but possible. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #177

exactly what I was thinking marym625 Apr 2015 #184

I have always believed SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #186

It's the only things that explains his increasing fear/ferocity. Go Bernie and Elizabeth. libdem4life Apr 2015 #194

"... their entire wish list ...". Good summation. He seems especially desperate and motivated. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #248

Nothing is more important than money in this circle BlueStreak Apr 2015 #323

YES. He does believe his "base" is that easily fooled. bvar22 Apr 2015 #12

We aren't his base, but we sure were convenient in 2008 and 2012 LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #24

The bus we're under is huge. L0oniX Apr 2015 #313

Another STFU to the base. cui bono Apr 2015 #56

Jesus. doesn't the president know what "ad hominem" means? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #260

a lot of his base IS stupid and easily fooled Skittles Apr 2015 #277

Can you be any more disingenuous Mr Obama?? haikugal Apr 2015 #8

The only person who's been dishonest... Oilwellian Apr 2015 #9

+100000000 MissDeeds Apr 2015 #21

Damn tootin'!! nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #29

YAY! marym625 Apr 2015 #215

Except, no: he didn't say that frazzled Apr 2015 #11

The obvious tell is that only one word is quoted jberryhill Apr 2015 #13

I'm not surprised anymore Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #31

Another D word that constantly comes to mind: "disingenuous" emulatorloo Apr 2015 #212

Yup. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #38

Come on.. Egnever Apr 2015 #80

Consider the source. Number23 Apr 2015 #129

The pattern is so entrenched and the MO so blatant, but people Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #147

It is hackneyed. It is blatant. And it is hysterical Number23 Apr 2015 #148

Ordinarily, I wouldn't touch one of these OPs with a barge pole, but your Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #152

Yeah, between the subject matter and the OP, I tend to stay away too Number23 Apr 2015 #157

I have learned the same..... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #158

So when will Obama's "panting fans" see the truth? demwing Apr 2015 #191

Warren is the one saying that the TPP is a secret and no one can see it. Everyone can see that is Number23 Apr 2015 #198

That's great! I'm having trouble linking MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #205

The operative words here are "secret" that no one can see. That's not what's happening and never has Number23 Apr 2015 #209

How could *anything* be secret that no one can see? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #211

I don't know what you're talking about. That now makes two of us. And I'm bored with you and your Number23 Apr 2015 #216

You wrote... MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #217

It's not a secret if people, members of Congress are still people, can see it anytime Number23 Apr 2015 #220

Sigh, Warren isn't claiming that no one has seen it. Vattel Apr 2015 #229

57 posts from people arguing that it is secret, me saying it isn't, and I'M the one you decide to Number23 Apr 2015 #233

How can the TPP be "less secretive" if it was never secret? demwing Apr 2015 #235

I am so loving that you guys have nothing better to do than engage in this idiotic drivel Number23 Apr 2015 #241

Thank you for articulating it so well. mimi85 Apr 2015 #263

I wish I could say "my pleasure" but it isn't Number23 Apr 2015 #264

He can't admit he's wrong demwing Apr 2015 #218

averse to is a bunch of ad hominem attacks and misinformation that stirs up the base seabeyond Apr 2015 #16

He didn't have to use Warren's name. He referenced her email. morningfog Apr 2015 #17

No, he didn't even reference her email specifically frazzled Apr 2015 #22

So you say he wasn't calling her dishonest, and then you follow with how I should morningfog Apr 2015 #26

Telling people it's secret is the issue frazzled Apr 2015 #35

Can you link to where Warren has said that it is kept secret from her? morningfog Apr 2015 #41

all i have been reading is this is secret. it is not secret. that is the point. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #43

It is secret from you. Not congresscritters. Warren never claimed otherwise, unless I missed it. morningfog Apr 2015 #46

then they can HONESTLY without agenda, give us the info, right? nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #66

It's illegal to leak the text to the public. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #67

then why is grayson's ass not arrested, cause i listened to him tell about two pieces. seabeyond Apr 2015 #69

Sorry, it's all my fault. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #76

wtf are you even talking about now. just redirect, when called? seabeyond Apr 2015 #77

3 chapters have been leaked, and therefore are now fair game. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #109

Boom! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #156

Grayson did NOT discuss the text of the TPP that is being hidden from the American sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #309

democracy now seabeyond Apr 2015 #72

No they cannot give us the info. morningfog Apr 2015 #79

check out my link to democracy now. grayson giving out info. you say secret. i see it isnt seabeyond Apr 2015 #82

Link to the text of the draft? morningfog Apr 2015 #87

so, they can tell us about it, regardless of you and manny telling me otherwise. you want text of seabeyond Apr 2015 #90

Yes. We can see the text of other laws before they are in their final form eridani Apr 2015 #287

Then President Obama is not referring to her. treestar Apr 2015 #163

He's not referring to her if she does not say it's secret. treestar Apr 2015 #162

She could make it public. joshcryer Apr 2015 #189

Is that accurate? I thought members of Congress were prohibited from publically discussing it LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #319

So yeah, you're completely wrong LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #330

And even more wrong, which you will not acknowledge LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #331

I know Aerows Apr 2015 #310

and why not just read it, tell us, instead of saying secret and putting own agenda on it. seabeyond Apr 2015 #28

So let's have a link to the full text, please. appal_jack Apr 2015 #98

we are told secret, it isnt. we are told congress cant say anything, they can. seabeyond Apr 2015 #102

They can paraphrase, but they can't link to the text n/t eridani Apr 2015 #288

this it is not secret. do you realize how many different things have been said in this subthread? seabeyond Apr 2015 #326

If it's not on the White House website, and our representatives can't even take notes- eridani Apr 2015 #332

You sincerely and honestly see no relevant distinction between the two? LanternWaste Apr 2015 #39

There is a distinction, but he is still referring to Warren and what she is doing. morningfog Apr 2015 #42

is she the only one claiming it is secret? if so, then why? nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #44

On second thought, racism is bad analogy. morningfog Apr 2015 #57

FUD'ers gonna FUD... SidDithers Apr 2015 #30

Thanks for posting that. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #50

He said that what Warren has done and said is dishonest. morningfog Apr 2015 #58

"meaning ..." NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #75

What emails was he referring to? morningfog Apr 2015 #84

I am not interested in these games. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #89

I don't blame you for jumping out now. morningfog Apr 2015 #91

Thanks for the "spin" on what I actually said. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #94

You know a great deal about false narratives. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #106

Oh FFS drop the drama. nt Logical Apr 2015 #111

I leave the drama ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #118

Quit worrying so much about Warren. She is not running. So you never have to see the disaster.... Logical Apr 2015 #120

Thanks for proving my point. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #139

The drama is from the hair on fire brigade treestar Apr 2015 #165

LOL!! Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #178

Yep, textbook propaganda techniques. Newsspeak revisited. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #160

Karl Rove and Roger Ailes emulatorloo Apr 2015 #265

No not fox news, McCarthyism. No one can wait for the final agreement still_one Apr 2015 #197

Yeah, the rending of garments ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #210

Sometimes I have to walk away because the comments get off the map still_one Apr 2015 #213

Oh, I hear ya! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #219

I have never heard of an honest person using dishonest criticism zeemike Apr 2015 #65

so to WHOM exactly is Obama referring to? Skittles Apr 2015 #96

He was referring to REPUBLICANS who are against the agreement MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #99

But...but...but... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #132

"......when I see friends of mine resorting to these kinds of tactics.� DJ13 Apr 2015 #171

Which is the biggest clue that something is very wrong with it nt dflprincess Apr 2015 #271

They're desperate uponit7771 Apr 2015 #105

i am all for killing the deal. but this thread is bullshit. telling me congress people cant say seabeyond Apr 2015 #108

Doesn't your "Trash this thread" function work? 99Forever Apr 2015 #137

That is the problem there is so much misinformation still_one Apr 2015 #200

So please tell me, A Simple Game Apr 2015 #136

shush! trumad Apr 2015 #143

Ooopsie! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #154

Oh Boy! An honest person can't, by definition, utter dishonest criticism. He said her criticism rhett o rick Apr 2015 #172

People who claim that Obama didn't call Warren dishonest demwing Apr 2015 #175

We know Warren has read it. joshcryer Apr 2015 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #203

What difficulties do you envision? joshcryer Apr 2015 #236

Let's start easy; where would she get a copy? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #246

Do you imagine some guard is there overseeing it? joshcryer Apr 2015 #269

Yes, there is a White House minder present at all times MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #270

Do you have a source for that? joshcryer Apr 2015 #273

IIRC, it's in this MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #275

That's utterly insane. joshcryer Apr 2015 #280

At what point does one say "this thing is rigged" MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #281

We have 60 days to push against it. joshcryer Apr 2015 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #245

What he called dishonest criticism marym625 Apr 2015 #223

Manny should get a job coming up with headlines for mimi85 Apr 2015 #252

She is not dishonest. closeupready Apr 2015 #14

I really, really, really doubt the union and liberal groups' leaders, much less their attorneys hedda_foil Apr 2015 #15

The Democratic Party has been had. Broward Apr 2015 #18

Yes! MissDeeds Apr 2015 #36

What the hell? one_voice Apr 2015 #116

Not a 2015 Republican to be sure. More like a 1955 Republican n/t eridani Apr 2015 #292

He's called himself a 1980's moderate Republican LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #320

Whoa! Projection much?!! ananda Apr 2015 #19

Obamatrade allows communist countries to override American laws. denverbill Apr 2015 #20

To the point Rolando Apr 2015 #164

What communist countries? treestar Apr 2015 #167

Dishonest is promising a public insurance option and then pretending you didn't nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #23

Warren is looking better and better every day... elzenmahn Apr 2015 #49

Exactly! ctsnowman Apr 2015 #51

He seems hell-bent on burning his last bridges with progressives. hifiguy Apr 2015 #25

"Yes We Can"? No You Don't postulater Apr 2015 #27

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-4/obama-not-happy.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #32

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/051513obama-460x306.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #33

. nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #48

Sadly, she IS being dishonest MaggieD Apr 2015 #37

One words quotes are "dishonest" also. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #40

Dishonest? elzenmahn Apr 2015 #45

Yeah, fuck him. So what if 12 million americans have health care now, so what if NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #47

I would never dismiss the President... elzenmahn Apr 2015 #54

Some have NEVER supported him but pretend to and then attack him on this, not you NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #55

Then why not speak to that instead of the poster? marym625 Apr 2015 #228

Agree, my problem is if someone never supports X, or is criticizing them on everything, then when NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #308

Thank you so much marym625 Apr 2015 #318

And so starts the circular firing squad. No wonder we can't change this nation for the better. Cleita Apr 2015 #53

Bernie says SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #196

I've come to a similar conclusion -- she's playing to her fundraising list. And that's transparent. Hoyt Apr 2015 #59

K & R !!! - Yeah... Right... It's Elizabeth Warren Who's Dishonest... And Bernie Sanders... WillyT Apr 2015 #60

Damn them trying to stir up the base!! morningfog Apr 2015 #63

If Elizabeth Warren is "dishonest" floriduck Apr 2015 #61

She is not dishonest. ozone_man Apr 2015 #199

Not a good choice of words, Mr President. Paper Roses Apr 2015 #62

LOL...talk about dishonest... one_voice Apr 2015 #64

Yup... SidDithers Apr 2015 #86

He killed two birds with one lying ass stone... one_voice Apr 2015 #114

He should have switched parties in 2010. Doctor_J Apr 2015 #68

So he thinks the base are like sheep who cannot think for themselves, easily 'riled up' by Warren? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #70

But WE. CAN'T. READ. IT. Triana Apr 2015 #73

if you're stupid enough, you can just TRUST him, Triana Skittles Apr 2015 #97

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #78

. one_voice Apr 2015 #88

Your puke can flush right along with the fetid turds TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #93

Just so you know, I wasn't the one that alerted one_voice Apr 2015 #112

Nevertheless... zappaman Apr 2015 #221

Agree. one_voice Apr 2015 #272

rwnj stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #222

LOLOLOLOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #153

Oh my! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #81

If he's being honest with us, disclosure would stop the bleeding. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #104

No, like I said, It'll merely stop the negotiations ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #159

Um...no to your no. I answered your question, and I did so accurately. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #227

Like anyone believes that releasing the ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #239

why would it end negotiations? nt. druidity33 Apr 2015 #115

For the same reason the negotiations are done under seal ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #161

The negotiations would not stop because it was made public marym625 Apr 2015 #234

Because I understand the negotiating environment ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #242

I am very familiar with negotiations as well. marym625 Apr 2015 #254

Since you are familiar with negotiations ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #266

I will respond to you in the morning marym625 Apr 2015 #268

Not a problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #276

In reply marym625 Apr 2015 #298

Real nice, BO. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #83

he has nothing to lose now Skittles Apr 2015 #92

All right so our own representatives are supposedly dishonest. So we all need to ask him the jwirr Apr 2015 #95

What happened to that wonderful man PumpkinAle Apr 2015 #100

The FISA vote was a clue we ignored marym625 Apr 2015 #193

So the gentleman who refuses to tell the American people exactly what onecaliberal Apr 2015 #101

I'm a stakeholder� send me the pdf Agony Apr 2015 #103

No, YOU are dishonest. alarimer Apr 2015 #107

I cannot believe THIS is what he decided to go to bat for. n/t Jamastiene Apr 2015 #110

Red Meat! Cryptoad Apr 2015 #119

Hope and Change? Instance that he would renegotiate NAFTA? LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #321

You never looked at the people,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #322

True. It was an error on my part, I was sucked in LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #324

She aint no Progressive........ Cryptoad Apr 2015 #327

Thanks, helpful clarification LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #328

Liz is telling the truth and it hurts Obama...she ain't playing the "right" way...Thanks, Elizabeth. drynberg Apr 2015 #121

Disingenuous subject - impling he singled her out George II Apr 2015 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author KittyWampus Apr 2015 #123

*Someone* is being dishonest, thats for sure. quakerboy Apr 2015 #124

Silly me, I thought you meant Manny for a blatantly bullshit thread title and OP. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #126

Is he Third Way Yet. Phlem Apr 2015 #127

He always was. ozone_man Apr 2015 #204

Thank You, Phlem Apr 2015 #256

Obama's decided to spend a little of his political capital on this issue I see! nt stillwaiting Apr 2015 #128

Remember when Obama thought his mic was off and was overheard saying Marr Apr 2015 #130

Yes I do. Yes it is. 840high Apr 2015 #144

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #282

The sad thing is Truthteller3562 Apr 2015 #131

This post is dishonest 4now Apr 2015 #133

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #135

Par for this course. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #150

Playing to his base... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #169

Nice headline, Manny. A bit dishonest on your part, don't you think? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #134

Yep, it brings all the drama queens out. mimi85 Apr 2015 #267

On the up side... raindaddy Apr 2015 #138

I'm thinking the same thing, raindaddy Oilwellian Apr 2015 #145

He could've probably gotten away with this.... raindaddy Apr 2015 #149

this might be the moment when the man behind the curtain is revealed. grasswire Apr 2015 #300

In the past his response to the Republicans when they contested an issue... raindaddy Apr 2015 #304

Mr. President - stop blowing smoke 840high Apr 2015 #140

Dear Mr. President; This is a secret deal. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #141

Works for me! ozone_man Apr 2015 #208

A man I once thought honorable, now seems mean and desperate... AzDar Apr 2015 #142

Message dpatbrown Apr 2015 #146

Mr. President, if you keep backing this so viciously and dishonestly A Simple Game Apr 2015 #151

I am thoroughly ashamed of President Obama marym625 Apr 2015 #166

She also raises tons of money anyway MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #168

Thank god for her. Or whatever caused her to be who she is marym625 Apr 2015 #174

Hey Manny... What's Your Best Guess... WillyT Apr 2015 #173

Maybe the President wants the Senators fadedrose Apr 2015 #179

Circular firing squad...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #180

Disgusting. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #183

The pot calling the kettle black... wundermaus Apr 2015 #185

Depends on the context, and frankly there are better ways to express still_one Apr 2015 #207

Alas, you may indeed be right. wundermaus Apr 2015 #284

I wasn't really trying to be a jerk, and no I didn't read all the posts in this thread. thanks still_one Apr 2015 #293

Never crossed my mind that you were anything wundermaus Apr 2015 #317

Frankly I truest Senator Warren more than President Obama on this. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #192

I'm over this guy. when has he called out creeps like that? elehhhhna Apr 2015 #201

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Support Obama On TPP - Elect HRC To Continue The Charade cantbeserious Apr 2015 #214

hyperbolic nonsense. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #224

truly depressing DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #225

Sorry for your loss, Manny. randome Apr 2015 #226

. ucrdem Apr 2015 #261

Who had today in the pool SwankyXomb Apr 2015 #230

Why don't the unions and the citizen/consumers JEB Apr 2015 #232

uh...allowed in the room? THEY WERE ARRESTED!!!!!!!!! nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #243

Working people and their interests don't have a seat at the table. JEB Apr 2015 #247

Has he ever called Republicans Dishonest? Are we seeing the real Obama now, or is he being sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #237

Somebody must be awfully afraid of Elizabeth Warren. JEB Apr 2015 #251

I don't think I can remember him calling them out for their lies. I always wanted him to. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #253

Remember The Only Adult in the Room's "please like me" meeting with Republicans? SMC22307 Apr 2015 #238

Obama's dishonesty here is painfully obvious. Vattel Apr 2015 #240

this is actually VERY corrosive for the party MisterP Apr 2015 #244

K & R GoneFishin Apr 2015 #250

Let's just say that you're getting warmer. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #255

Am i the only one who finds it curious... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #257

There's disagreement and then there's swiftboating. ucrdem Apr 2015 #258

Please show an example of "swiftboating" Scootaloo Apr 2015 #262

From the poster you are engaging in a similar thread a few days ago. Puglover Apr 2015 #294

That's a shit statement, QC Apr 2015 #299

I'm finding it pretty entertaining. winter is coming Apr 2015 #285

I like Elizabeth but I believe in President Obama neighbor tim Apr 2015 #259

"Every single one of the critics" -- but does that include the public? spooky3 Apr 2015 #274

Now, The Truth about Obama comes out, and it's not pretty nikto Apr 2015 #286

I will trust Elizabeth Warren's opinion on this over the likes of Mich Mcconnell. CentralMass Apr 2015 #289

Perhaps Obama has been lying to us all along?... Helen Borg Apr 2015 #290

That's the end of Obama's "legacy". He can go screw himself for all I care, at this point. (nt) w4rma Apr 2015 #291

As opposed to the GOP who back him on this? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #295

WTF is going on here 4dsc Apr 2015 #296

Obama is ann--- Apr 2015 #301

You posted this 5 times yesterday brush Apr 2015 #302

Just look at these threads Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #311

free trade bl968 Apr 2015 #305

Not a "secret." Just "classified." DirkGently Apr 2015 #306

If Elizabeth wants to spike the bankers and top 1% bl968 Apr 2015 #307

OFFS Manny ...be honest for change ...I have links to the trade deal right here for all to see... L0oniX Apr 2015 #315

This sounds so much like the rhetoric of the Right... Orsino Apr 2015 #329