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You clueless Warren lovers don't get it.......... [View all] Logical Apr 2015 OP

Why do volunteers and donors from Organizing for Action get to tell him whats wrong with it Autumn Apr 2015 #1

Trying to be Logical, I guess!!! elleng Apr 2015 #2

why is it necessary to fabricate the argument in scorn, snark, mocking, hyperbole or whatever? seabeyond Apr 2015 #3

Because some people need hit over the head to understand silly arguments! nt Logical Apr 2015 #5

not if it is a fabricated argument. just swinging at thin air. seabeyond Apr 2015 #9

Nope, many here saying it is not final so she is off base complaining. nt Logical Apr 2015 #10

about it being secret... right? think you should finish that sentence. i dunno, on the side seabeyond Apr 2015 #11

It is secret. It's been secret for years. cui bono Apr 2015 #36

this... is what i am talking about. that is a disingenuous argument. it turns me off. seabeyond Apr 2015 #38

No, it's not a disingenuous argument. We wouldn't be discussing the TPP at all if wikileaks hadn't cui bono Apr 2015 #56

It's not a fabricated argument and it's analogous to what is going on here on DU. cui bono Apr 2015 #35

they were not arguing that it cannot be criticized, but that it is secret, no info, people gagged, seabeyond Apr 2015 #37

Word. I've almost lost all interest for this topic. cheapdate Apr 2015 #44

You got that right. And the fact that the biggest shit stirrers and BSers here are absolutely Number23 Apr 2015 #61

you got that right. i am even on tpp fail side. and still, i am right where you are. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #69

the logic of a used car salesman WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #48

Are you for Obama on this argument or Warren? nt Logical Apr 2015 #51

I like... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #55

You and I are on the same side on this. You did not understand my post was sarcastic. nt Logical Apr 2015 #58

uh...err...so was mine??? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #68

ok, missed it nt Logical Apr 2015 #70

what side am i on logical? is that all we need, a secret handshake? nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #81

Not even sure what you are talking about. nt Logical Apr 2015 #87

you do not know what i am talking about? you said the two of you are on the same side. seabeyond Apr 2015 #88

I doubt you and I agree on much about TPP or Hillary or Warren. nt Logical Apr 2015 #89

give it a try. why assume? that is what i am battling. if i say anything, you and others put me in seabeyond Apr 2015 #91

We're not clueless Politicalboi Apr 2015 #4

Well, I was defending Warren! Maybe reread it! nt Logical Apr 2015 #7

I think that may have been just a general comment, not an accusation. merrily Apr 2015 #53

I'm thinkin' you forgot to include the "sarcasm" thingy? I read this like a parody.. 2banon Apr 2015 #6

You are correct. Thought it was obvious! nt Logical Apr 2015 #8

Yes, it was to me. :) 2banon Apr 2015 #17

:-) nt Logical Apr 2015 #19

I love the sarcasm.. just would like to point out.... Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #12

+1000 nt Logical Apr 2015 #13

LOL. Very good. I have been trying to come up with an analogy. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #14

Great points! nt Logical Apr 2015 #16

Silly! If that bag is flaming and you heard a door bell before you saw it at your front door... L0oniX Apr 2015 #25

If my authoritarian leader assured me that the bag didn't contain shit, and therefore I could stomp rhett o rick Apr 2015 #31

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #73

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #79

what's the average wage of the countries in this Pacific region? RDANGELO Apr 2015 #15

So true!! nt Logical Apr 2015 #18

$100/hr? Beaverhausen Apr 2015 #20

More sarcasm and confabulation akin to what the TPP supporters are saying riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #22

Actually not. Looks like it's been edited. Beaverhausen Apr 2015 #24

Ah well. riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #28

You've been reading way too many Manny ops. L0oniX Apr 2015 #21

You mean more than one? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #92

Obama got this, you heard? bigwillq Apr 2015 #23

More 3D chess I assume? nt Logical Apr 2015 #26

You laugh now but I swear it's real! L0oniX Apr 2015 #32

I don't disagree! nt Logical Apr 2015 #66

You forgot to state that sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #27

Don't economics professors have tools to figure this out... L0oniX Apr 2015 #33

You'll shoot your eye out, kid. nt Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #46

Let's see, I can name economic professors that I have confidence in you would not agree with, so still_one Apr 2015 #34

We won't have the votes to stop it so what difference does the 90 days to read and debate make? TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #78

We mixed it up the other day and now I'm recing your post whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #29

Everyone has the right to an opinion, and to critisize it. However, when the final document is made still_one Apr 2015 #30

Will it be made public before it's signed? sendit Apr 2015 #43

Yes, at least as reported by the New York Times still_one Apr 2015 #59

So if it does have some of the things that have been leaked in the final sendit Apr 2015 #39

For me I need to see where and what those items are. It should be noted that China is not part of still_one Apr 2015 #62

Here's an idea. Why not upload it onto the White House web site so we can all read it? Vinca Apr 2015 #40

Will they do that before he signs it? sendit Apr 2015 #42

Yes. See post 59 still_one Apr 2015 #63

It doesn't matter, we do not have the votes to stop passage. The only practical check available is TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #80

+1000 nt Logical Apr 2015 #49

Remember when Obama said he was "against" Citizens United??? blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #41

Good one! nt Logical Apr 2015 #52

Let me understand this, are you blaming Obama for Citizens United? still_one Apr 2015 #64

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Support Obama On TPP - The 1% Obviously Need More Wealth cantbeserious Apr 2015 #45

Actually, Hillary wants Obama to clear this so TWO Clintons aren't responsible for screwing workers. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #47

Bottom line: Warren called Obama's bluff WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #50

That is awesome. If there's not an OP on this you should post one. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #57

So if he has thoroughly read what's there, he should insist it be make public instead Cleita Apr 2015 #54

True, it would make it simple. nt Logical Apr 2015 #60

It is going to be made public before the debate or vote. See post 59. still_one Apr 2015 #67

So what? We then would not have enough votes to do shit about it. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #82

Don't trade agreements require 2/3 vote? still_one Apr 2015 #84

They SHOULD but we have somehow scrapped the treaty process prescribed in the Constitution TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #85

Geez, then my assumptions were not correct. Then unless a miracle happens, if the deal is bad still_one Apr 2015 #86

Lulz Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #65

Results... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #71

Wow, I guess someone does not know I was supporting Warren supporters. Weird. Thanks for posting. nt Logical Apr 2015 #72

I cannot believe anybody did not know that was snark. Yikes!!!!!!! djean111 Apr 2015 #76

Not sure why Obama is acting like this about the TPP. Really defensive. nt Logical Apr 2015 #77

Well done, Logical! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #74

Thanks!! :-) Logical Apr 2015 #75

Illogical rock Apr 2015 #83

Are we allowed to criticize the part about who and what is keeping us from seeing it? L0oniX Apr 2015 #93

Of course, criticize anything but the pig which you cannot see rock Apr 2015 #95

Your logic is faulty, maybe you should draw a Venn diagram doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #90

Bwahahah so reading the agreement is not worth it because it's not the only source of knowledge? L0oniX Apr 2015 #94