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42. Global population growth is a greater concern than global warming...
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 05:38 PM
Apr 2015

There is a theory:

https://www.boundless.com/sociology/textbooks/boundless-sociology-textbook/population-and-urbanization-17/population-growth-122/demographic-transition-theory-690-10230/

The theory discusses how industrialization changes population growth and decline.

Yes, it sucks that they've shipped good manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, but this world has finite resources and when a poor country has a lot of large families, we have to witness millions of people suffering because of a lack of resources. Usually a shortage of food.

Young men and women that work long hours in sweat shops just to make enough to feed, cloth and house themselves do not plan for big families.

I don't believe for a minute that these trade agreements are put in place to create american jobs, I believe that they are put in place to control the population of pre-industrial countries by converting them to industrial nations. The reason our politicians don't tell us that this is what is going on is because we don't like it, but we like seeing starving folk on the TV even less.

We aren't going to return to being a nation of good manufacturing jobs... Period.

Robots have done considerably more to eliminate factory jobs than trade agreements and that's not likely to change.

As I've said before: what we need is a nationwide effort to create a good strong homeland with a huge effort toward 'food security'. Everybody has to eat and there are a lot of technologies than lend themselves to small travel time (and distance) for food. This is what we should invest in (as a nation). If more of us work at home, and sell our products locally, we don't need the manufacturing jobs. Manufacturing is where we came from, not where we need to go in order to have a sustainable food supply.

The problem with the TPP is that it enriches the already wealthy. Gives power to the already too powerful. The problem isn't the export of 'American manufacturing jobs' that part is inevitable. We have to put factory jobs in these countries to control their birth rates.

If the issue is that we are making the already wealthy even wealthier, we don't cut that short by stopping trade agreements, we raise taxes on the high earners. That's going to fix almost all of our problems. Destroying this trade agreement will not stop the export of american manufacturing jobs, raising taxes on the wealthy will at least balance the budget and create infrastructure jobs.

I don't think that the TPP is ''the problem' it's just another symptom.

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Oh, they understand it. Maedhros Apr 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Apr 2015 #5
Exactly. Quantess Apr 2015 #31
Agree. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #39
They are Free Market True Believers pscot Apr 2015 #2
Obama understands the TPP better than most on DU, I would wager. I trust Obama and his experts, and I know the Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #3
Well, we agree on much, and I am a fan of Obama, but I dont trust ANY politician NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #6
So you trust the Repulican's too? bahrbearian Apr 2015 #22
If you trust Obama on TPP, then you trust Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan eridani Apr 2015 #26
Classic strawman.. "If you believe that....then you must believe this"..classically boring. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #32
OK, then explain why you want a policy favored by Republicans eridani Apr 2015 #43
If there is a currency manipulation clause.... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #29
Yeah, right. That's what they said about NAFTA. eridani Apr 2015 #44
+1. Hoyt Apr 2015 #35
What if by not signing into this, which would be very bad in many ways, agreed NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #4
If we continue to allow TPTB, or the .01% which ever you like,... daleanime Apr 2015 #7
BUt they do, and unless we do tariffs and invest here in manufacturing, nothing is left NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #8
Really, will they ever stop taking? daleanime Apr 2015 #10
Time to Occupy again, but maybe with organization NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #12
You do understand that the US is the central driving force in these bullshit agreements? TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #21
The 99% Rolando Apr 2015 #13
Don't pretend there isn't more to squeeze. They are just getting in gear. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #18
Here is a piece in WaPo that is older (doesn't address TPP) but it talks about manufacturing okaawhatever Apr 2015 #14
Wanna see more, but because China is finally paying decent wages, etc. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #15
Those regs have been in trade agreements for decades. (see the other trade agreements at okaawhatever Apr 2015 #20
This country survived very well with certain market restrictions Trajan Apr 2015 #16
My point, we need tariffs and investment here NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #17
There aren't enough voices speaking out. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #9
There was an anti-TPP demonstration in Washington, D.C. earlier this week Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #28
He knows where it's coming from treestar Apr 2015 #11
^ Exactly ^ lamp_shade Apr 2015 #23
The fact that his supporters view it as a personal attack betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #24
Upton Sinclair answered this question a long time ago. hifiguy Apr 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #25
Exactly - denial ain't just a river. polichick Apr 2015 #27
Correct- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #40
It is NOT hard for them to understand. Jamastiene Apr 2015 #30
They understand it perfectly. TransitJohn Apr 2015 #33
His feelings are hurt fadedrose Apr 2015 #34
HE feels betrayed????? Flying Squirrel Apr 2015 #38
it is the continuous misinformation to ratchet anger that i have a problem with. it is not obama seabeyond Apr 2015 #36
NAFTA was a big cause of present immigration problems kentuck Apr 2015 #37
Few people realize this global system of swift, calculated movement of labor to the cheapest appalachiablue Apr 2015 #41
Global population growth is a greater concern than global warming... Blanks Apr 2015 #42
They understand it - they just don't care. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #45
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