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TM99

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164. Why do you continue to defend this woman?

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:02 PM

Apr 2015

Yes, the only privilege that truly matters and has through out all of human history is money. It provides security, health, leisure, education, legal strength, political strength, and other incorporeal examples of power, influence, and prestige irrespective of class, race, gender, orientation, religion (or not), etc.

I have written here before about the failure of the post New Left language and its sorry influences on politics, activism, and progressivism. You can go read those on your own time.

Sure she can write shitty, shallow, and vapid pieces like this one, and she will be criticized for it. Sure she can right meaningless rants on cultural appropriation at an expensive music festival that she could afford to attend, and she will be called out on it.

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"Electronic Dance Music Festivals Fraught With White Privilege" [View all] Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 OP

She has got to be fucking kidding. MicaelS Apr 2015 #1

fair is fair so aa women must give up wigs elehhhhna Apr 2015 #101

+1. Some of her complaints were legit. Others.... such bullshit. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #193

OFFS nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #2

There is a time and a place for every kind of stupidity hifiguy Apr 2015 #3

"There's everything wrong with white people having dreadlocks" Bullshit...Bullshit. BlueJazz Apr 2015 #4

Gotta love those authoritarians... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #192

I used to go to raves and edm festivals in the 90s in NYC... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #6

I believe "cultural appropriation" will no longer be a useful term soon. RadiationTherapy Apr 2015 #7

It's already been happening for fifty years. hifiguy Apr 2015 #10

Picasso dates it back even further. RadiationTherapy Apr 2015 #18

There is interesting, then there is white South African gangsta rap Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2015 #47

Ever heard some of Delia Derbyshire's 1960s experiments? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #171

accusations of cultural appropriation are also leveled at white hip-hop acts.. frylock Apr 2015 #21

Hell, it was used against the blues-based English rock musicians hifiguy Apr 2015 #25

Interestingly, one of the very first punk bands was three black dudes from Detroit Scootaloo Apr 2015 #27

In the Band part of my life, a few times I was told I shouldn't be playing Jazz. I play Piano, Sax. BlueJazz Apr 2015 #195

majoring in human development she is? seveneyes Apr 2015 #8

"but this was not a safe space for me to express my love of music as a black woman." Throd Apr 2015 #9

Aside from seeing white people with dreads smoking pot, what other micro-aggressions did she Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #11

Isn't that ENOUGH hifiguy Apr 2015 #12

White people smoking weed and wearing dreadlocks ruined it for her? Taitertots Apr 2015 #13

I've seen worse. Igel Apr 2015 #28

China, Korea and Japan have all embraced European classical music hifiguy Apr 2015 #33

I disagree Scootaloo Apr 2015 #29

so are white people allowed to smoke pot and wear dreads, or not? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #34

of course they are. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #36

Having spent years on dead tour Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #37

I rock the Viking look, myself Scootaloo Apr 2015 #39

HAMMER OF THE GODS Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #40

You can never go wrong with Zep hifiguy Apr 2015 #44

I used to see Dread Zeppelin play in bars. You know, the Led Zep cover band with the Elvis guy. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #76

When I stopped in to Newbury Comics in Harvard Square hifiguy Apr 2015 #80

Eh, not quite... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #48

You have the best taste in Music. bravenak Apr 2015 #51

It's really easy when you listen to everything except country Scootaloo Apr 2015 #54

That was so awesome. The dance moves had me up brushing off my shoulders. bravenak Apr 2015 #60

I heard that song before the original it's based on Scootaloo Apr 2015 #81

You went to school with them? bravenak Apr 2015 #90

There is a pretty big gap between traditional country/bluegrass etc. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #63

Here's a whole live album with Jerry tearing it up on the 5-string banjo. hifiguy Apr 2015 #68

Yeah, that's a great album. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #73

All of those cats could PLAY hifiguy Apr 2015 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #93

I like it, thanks! Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #70

Binghampton University is in New York. Brickbat Apr 2015 #14

There's no "p" in Binghamton alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #178

Why is everyone so angry at her? Brickbat Apr 2015 #15

She goes to a music festival and decides that other peoples' hairstyles and recreational choices Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #35

So what? Brickbat Apr 2015 #46

Blaming the massive injustices of the drug war on white kids who get high at concerts Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #56

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about everyone on this thread. Brickbat Apr 2015 #57

She claimed that seeing people with dreads smoking pot made it a "nightmare" of "micro-aggressions" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #67

The phrase "nightmare of micro-aggressions" is fraught hifiguy Apr 2015 #85

Right? Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #72

No. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #78

It's like no one on this thread was ever young. Brickbat Apr 2015 #83

Being young does not preclude someone from being laughably wrong. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #86

We actually remember being young hifiguy Apr 2015 #87

I was so much older, then, I'm younger than that now. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #99

You've reached out to the author? Brickbat Apr 2015 #108

She put out a piece for public consumption. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #110

The war on drugs is complete bullshit. Inkfreak Apr 2015 #59

Electric Forest is in a very rural county with a small law enforcement contingent amandabeech Apr 2015 #167

I stopped reading after she talked about dreads Travis_0004 Apr 2015 #84

Because she's talking nonsense? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #154

Is this satire? cyberswede Apr 2015 #16

Sadly, I don't think it is. hifiguy Apr 2015 #22

guess she's never been to a reggae show shanti Apr 2015 #17

Or even worse, a Dread Zeppelin show Revanchist Apr 2015 #69

A "nightmare"? Because of some folks' hairstyles? Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #19

Seems more like she's laying the groundwork for... CANDO Apr 2015 #31

Black people are being shot in the street, evicted en masse, denied the right to vote, etc. XemaSab Apr 2015 #20

Excellent article. Recced! nt MrScorpio Apr 2015 #23

Right. I was especially impressed by her wearing "faux-locs." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #24

Well, the best thing about cultural appropriation... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #62

Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume that they're disregarding or rejecting the culture? Inkfreak Apr 2015 #82

I'm saying that this is just another example of appropriating black culture without black people... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #87

I see what you're saying, Mr. Scorpio.. Inkfreak Apr 2015 #94

Well, I'm glad that you're admitting that minorities face an uphill battle... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #98

Great answer. I wonder how many people read your post. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #198

Is this what colleges are turning out these days? Glassunion Apr 2015 #26

Only those romanic Apr 2015 #139

Yeah. No. bravenak Apr 2015 #30

A nightmare, eh? I don't get it. And I don't care to. Inkfreak Apr 2015 #32

Lol she's fun to party with Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #38

I was at that show. Here's a video ... seveneyes Apr 2015 #41

LMAO! I never thought I'd see a SYL video on DU. Inkfreak Apr 2015 #45

He could be my Canadian Brother seveneyes Apr 2015 #52

IIRC, SYL's drummer is also Dethklok's drummer. hifiguy Apr 2015 #50

Close; he's based off the frontman, Devon Townsend Scootaloo Apr 2015 #53

Gene Hogland, SYL's drummer hifiguy Apr 2015 #58

never imagined i'd be discussing dethklok on DU. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #61

I never dreamed I'd be discussing anything on DU hifiguy Apr 2015 #64

Best Glam Metal band ever! Scootaloo Apr 2015 #65

Absolutely. hifiguy Apr 2015 #71

Miss Desruisseaux couldn't find something important... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #42

"A safe place" TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #43

Great reply! NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #104

The part about the hair is dumb but the part about the drugs out in the open treestar Apr 2015 #49

You have obviously never been to a music festival. Everyone's doing drugs riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #96

True I haven't treestar Apr 2015 #105

Electric Forest is pretty bland pop music with a strong electronic sound riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #107

That was a valid point on her part, but she seems to blame the wrong people PersonNumber503602 Apr 2015 #196

Sigh. This is the kind of stuff people GENERALIZE liberalism to be. alp227 Apr 2015 #55

She's still young. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #66

I call them Tumblr-inspired social justice warriors. EVERYTHING is "problematic." Metric System Apr 2015 #74

So make an argument why they're reaching. alp227 Apr 2015 #89

Right, telling black people that we're just supposed to "get over it..." MrScorpio Apr 2015 #109

If someone had actually done something to her, you might have a point. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #111

I read that she expanded her narrative into the greater Drug War scenario... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #114

If she was trying to write an op-ed about the drug war, she failed miserably. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #115

She cited a specific example of white privilege and the cultural component of the drug war MrScorpio Apr 2015 #117

Again, if her point was that we should end the drug war, she didn't do a very good job of making it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #121

So you're objecting to how she framed a point that you're in agreement with about the drug war... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #125

"there is everything wrong with white people having dreadlocks"- do you agree with that statement? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #131

If you're not willing to understand her point about white privilege and cultural appropriation... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #136

If you're not willing to understand her point about white privilege and cultural appropriation... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #137

That's not, really, an answer to the question I asked. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #138

Would it be too much trouble to take in all in context? MrScorpio Apr 2015 #146

Just like it doesn't make sense to blame pot smoking hippies for racist drug cops Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #150

Did you happen to read the part where she cited specific examples... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #170

I'm sorry, but if the concern amounts to telling someone else that they shouldn't wear their hair Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #188

While I agree with your bigger point, you're very wrong when it comes to this case riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #123

Well, that's the choice of the police, right? MrScorpio Apr 2015 #128

I already said I agree with your point while disputing this particular festival riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #129

They also set up phony cell phone towers in the parking lots of Phish concerts, to catch drug users. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #133

It seems that a settlement resulted from that homicide.... xocet Apr 2015 #197

I reread the article. romanic Apr 2015 #143

"Cultural segregationist�" MrScorpio Apr 2015 #145

I mean to say romanic Apr 2015 #148

Whatever floats your boat... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #149

I mean... romanic Apr 2015 #151

When you're combing student papers to find student viewpoints to be outraged about? Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #75

Chelsea is clueless malaise Apr 2015 #79

Maybe its satire. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #91

I wish. bravenak Apr 2015 #92

"Microagression" = butt hurt VScott Apr 2015 #95

Your post is microaggressive and should carry a "trigger warning" (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #142

This is what people complain about when they have no real causes leveymg Apr 2015 #97

Complete and total Bullshit postatomic Apr 2015 #100

TL;DR? Here's a synopsis: I am by no means judging anyone... but... Turborama Apr 2015 #102

Love a Puli. SMC22307 Apr 2015 #103

This has to be satire Doctor_J Apr 2015 #106

Why did you post this OP? What was your point in doing so? kwassa Apr 2015 #112

Dreadlocks originated from Hindu yogis and other eastern holy men riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #118

Sorry, but your history is incorrect. kwassa Apr 2015 #126

Here's another source that disputes that. riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #127

I don't see the Indian sadhu connection. kwassa Apr 2015 #130

There's a long history of Indians from India in the Caribbean riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #132

But what is his source? kwassa Apr 2015 #134

Understood. It's also in the article I linked to above. riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #135

Picture of a sadhu with dreadlocks: CJCRANE Apr 2015 #166

Damn skippy! nt MrScorpio Apr 2015 #120

The OP romanic Apr 2015 #144

you have proven over and over again in this forum ... kwassa Apr 2015 #175

Don't opine romanic Apr 2015 #182

if this was her first time seeing white people with dreadlocks she hasn't gotten out much. nt m-lekktor Apr 2015 #113

I agree about the visible drug culture. betsuni Apr 2015 #116

most of those people are in prison because of the drug WAR Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #122

Obviously. betsuni Apr 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Apr 2015 #119

Chelsea romanic Apr 2015 #140

She needs to get cwydro Apr 2015 #141

I despise fashion police. Quantess Apr 2015 #147

I don't see what the problem is with her opinion? JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #152

Entitled little SJW. TM99 Apr 2015 #153

This thread is a pathetic example of what DU has become. RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #155

I just saw it and wow gollygee Apr 2015 #156

Music festivals are for everybody. romanic Apr 2015 #157

You are so wrong it is truly sad. TM99 Apr 2015 #160

That is so tangential to what I said I actually wonder if you meant to reply to me. RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #161

Why do you continue to defend this woman? TM99 Apr 2015 #164

My post was a reflection on the responses here, which I found disturbing. RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #165

You can find my posts in my profile TM99 Apr 2015 #173

I respect that. I see both as significant issues. nt RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #174

Haha TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #162

"All about me" is a part of being young TM99 Apr 2015 #163

Sure, it's part of being young TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #191

Thanks for the info LittleBlue Apr 2015 #168

You are welcome. TM99 Apr 2015 #172

Your post is full of unsupported assumptions. kwassa Apr 2015 #176

I have been very honest TM99 Apr 2015 #179

Lol, I missed the hula hoop team member! riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #187

Actually we can know some things about what she spent riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #180

Thank you. TM99 Apr 2015 #189

I haven't been except my experience I outlined in post #123 riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #194

for people who do not get the OP DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #158

She should have just admitted white people make her uncomfortable and gone from there ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2015 #159

Trustafarians... CJCRANE Apr 2015 #169

the cybergoth look d_r Apr 2015 #177

Silly privaleged white girls and their cultural appropriation of ethnic hairstyles VScott Apr 2015 #184

Hmm...okay, I'm interested. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #185

Well I'm convinced. I'm not going to wear dreadlocks. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #181

How bout a Techno Viking kind of dred beard and pony tail. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #183

I can see that becoming a trend. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #186

get on a plane and experience the African house scene bettydavis Apr 2015 #190