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PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
41. Back atcha.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:53 AM
Apr 2015

The intent is not to 'be the word police', or 'be divisive'.

We genuinely want to discuss the harm, stigma and confusion that can be caused by the words we choose. ESPECIALLY with people who support choice and may not realize the potential harm or that the party has updated the language. The words in question of this thread are "safe, legal and rare" - specifically taking note of the word rare. In context of abortion (not unwanted pregnancies, abortion). The national party removed it because of the fact it's open to interpretation... and all of the reasons outlined in the OP.

*I* get that you and other liberals are very very likely to fully support choice. *I* get what you *MEAN* by rare. We *all* want to make unwanted pregnancies rare... but do you not see, even a little, how using the "rare" language can be harmful? There have been massive attacks in every state on abortion since 1989. And they are getting worse. And, as such, I feel it's incredibly important to discuss how our language forms our societal beliefs and vice versa. To quote LeftyMom from another thread...


LeftyMom
19. That's the political genius and moral cowardice of the phrase.
To pro-choice people it means "unplanned pregnancies shouldn't be common, for women's sake." To the mushy middle it means "abortions for deserving women but not for those trampy other women." To anti-choicers it means "let's whittle away at legalized abortion even if we can't get a ban past the Supremes yet."

It's a political Rorschach ink blot. It means what you want it to mean.


I have had several conversations here with people who literally said, "oh, hey. wow - I really hadn't thought about it like that, I will change my language". Others have been nasty, combative, dismissive and rude. And there's been a lot in between.

Bottom line - it's a discussion. This is a discussion board. It's an important topic to me and I thought to many other DUers. Again- the word that causes confusion, anger, harm, etc was REMOVED from the party platform for these reasons. It's just weird that so many DUers are fighting it.


Here is this is the Democratic Party altered platform (with "safe, legal, rare" removed):

Protecting A Woman's Right to Choose. The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman's decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs.


See? It's possible to support education and access to contraception and leave the frequency out of the policy discussion to avoid the confusion and/or potential harm.

We typically don't fight to expand access to something we want to be rare.

It's not that controversial.




Carry on.

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I just don't get the idea.... daleanime Apr 2015 #1
We live in a society where many women who need an abortion can't get one. LeftyMom Apr 2015 #2
you are 100% correct fizzgig Apr 2015 #6
+10 million!!!! riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #3
... Solly Mack Apr 2015 #4
Rare is relative. There should be exactly as many abortions as are needed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #5
it absolutely legitimizes efforts to restrict it fizzgig Apr 2015 #7
You both speak for me. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #17
You're just as eloquent, I just have a large body of work in my journal to c&p from. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #31
Can't add a word to that excellent argument! hifiguy Apr 2015 #66
+1 gazillion. progressoid Apr 2015 #79
It should be rare because sabbat hunter Apr 2015 #8
women should have access to birth control because it gives them autonomy over their lives fizzgig Apr 2015 #11
Do you all really believe Abortion should be used as another form of birth control? napi21 Apr 2015 #9
not my business fizzgig Apr 2015 #10
Yes. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #12
Do you really want somebody with that little ability to plan to be a parent? LeftyMom Apr 2015 #14
It is very rare for a woman to have more than one or two abortions in her lifetime. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #15
Abortion is not a form of birth control. It is a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy. The still_one Apr 2015 #26
Yes. Do you really want children brought into this world who are not wanted? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #32
Agree completely BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #78
Women are simply not that casual about abortion, depsite SheilaT Apr 2015 #34
yes n/t handmade34 Apr 2015 #77
I used to use the phrase "safe, legal, and rare" LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #13
LO4E gets it! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #16
Yup Solly Mack Apr 2015 #18
it does imply there are still 'bad' abortions fizzgig Apr 2015 #20
If EVERY woman ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #19
i fully understand that comprehensive sex ed and access to birth control reduces the abortion rate fizzgig Apr 2015 #21
I don't know where you are getting ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #63
Yes, unintended and unwanted pregancy should be rare... ananda Apr 2015 #43
Absolutely. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #62
Then we don't need to use "rare". "Rare" will take care of itself. jeff47 Apr 2015 #57
If children are innoculated ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #61
The thing you are making rare in your example is bad. jeff47 Apr 2015 #64
What the "slogan" is intended to mean ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #67
Again, you are not trying to "sell" it to someone who agrees with you. jeff47 Apr 2015 #69
"An unaffordable abortion is not safe ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #76
I understand--this is the Democratic Platform statement however ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #22
I had a different understanding of rare gwheezie Apr 2015 #23
Plus a gazillion. love_katz Apr 2015 #24
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrement. SheilaT Apr 2015 #25
Actually according to Gallop there are quite a few women who are not pro-choice still_one Apr 2015 #27
That is a very subjective polling question...many women consider themselves to be CTyankee Apr 2015 #29
That is a good point, and it isn't made clear in that poll. However, the trend graphs near the still_one Apr 2015 #42
I don't know but if they are saying they are pro-life but don't want Roe reversed CTyankee Apr 2015 #59
That's because culture has taught women that is what they are supposed to say. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #33
I agree with you. However, for whatever reason, though not a majority, there are still too many women who still_one Apr 2015 #48
Agree, unless and until it impacts them. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #49
Isn't that the way it always is unfortunately. still_one Apr 2015 #50
Indeed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #51
Polls on that subject are usually problematic. jeff47 Apr 2015 #58
That is true, a person can be against abortion, but pro-choice still_one Apr 2015 #70
I think you meant pro-choice. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #71
I sure did. Just changed it. Thanks still_one Apr 2015 #72
I agree except get the red out Apr 2015 #28
Abortion should be legal and available because HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #30
It implies that right wing policy = more abortions AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #35
Kicked Enthusiast Apr 2015 #36
K&R myrna minx Apr 2015 #37
It's an issue of semantics. 99Forever Apr 2015 #38
It's about changing the rhetoric at a time when efforts to restrict access are hugely successful. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #39
Thanks for talking right past me. 99Forever Apr 2015 #40
Back atcha. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #41
Intent or not. 99Forever Apr 2015 #52
K, thanks for listening and being open to understanding!! PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #53
Back atcha. 99Forever Apr 2015 #54
Ted Kennedy: "abortion should be rare" Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #44
That was a decade ago. Things have changed and he's gone so not cozying up with anyone. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #45
Nancy Pelosi: "we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions". Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #46
She's wrong in framing it and I would be happy to discuss with her. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #47
Non-invasive procedures are almost always preferable TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #55
2% to 3% of women who have abortions experience side effects requiring medical assistance. Xithras Apr 2015 #56
Up to 9 weeks, women have non-surgical options Major Nikon Apr 2015 #65
I don't have that same issue. LWolf Apr 2015 #60
The procedure is invasive and can have major complications Ruby the Liberal Apr 2015 #68
+++++ "Rare" suggests a moral hazard. DirkGently Apr 2015 #73
I guess I'd rather see fewer abortions Squantoish Apr 2015 #74
If they have only two clinics in Texas allowed to perform abortions U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #75
Rec! progressoid Apr 2015 #80
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