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LWolf

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60. I don't have that same issue.

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 12:37 PM

Apr 2015

I'm an unrelenting supporter of abortion rights, of women being able to choose to have an abortion for ANY reason, without ANYONE's permission, AND of abortions being 100% funded by taxes, at no cost to the woman involved. So I clearly agree with your qualifiers.

That said, I'd like them to be rare. I'd like there to be a much, much more intense focus on safe, healthy, effective contraceptives and support for safe, clean (disease-free) sex between consenting adults. I'd like women and men, and yes, adolescents, to have safe, easy, and abundantly available contraceptive choices from puberty on. I think if these things got an adequate amount of attention and resources, abortion would BE rare. It's not the goal of those things, but simply a natural outcome.

I'm an only child because of my mother's illegal abortion, which almost killed her and guaranteed that she'd never have other children. My own abortion at the age of 16 left me convinced that I didn't, and don't, want other girls and women to have to experience what I did.

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here's my issue with the 'rare' part of safe, legal and rare [View all] fizzgig Apr 2015 OP

I just don't get the idea.... daleanime Apr 2015 #1

We live in a society where many women who need an abortion can't get one. LeftyMom Apr 2015 #2

you are 100% correct fizzgig Apr 2015 #6

+10 million!!!! riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #3

... Solly Mack Apr 2015 #4

Rare is relative. There should be exactly as many abortions as are needed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #5

it absolutely legitimizes efforts to restrict it fizzgig Apr 2015 #7

You both speak for me. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #17

You're just as eloquent, I just have a large body of work in my journal to c&p from. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #31

Can't add a word to that excellent argument! hifiguy Apr 2015 #66

+1 gazillion. progressoid Apr 2015 #79

It should be rare because sabbat hunter Apr 2015 #8

women should have access to birth control because it gives them autonomy over their lives fizzgig Apr 2015 #11

Do you all really believe Abortion should be used as another form of birth control? napi21 Apr 2015 #9

not my business fizzgig Apr 2015 #10

Yes. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #12

Do you really want somebody with that little ability to plan to be a parent? LeftyMom Apr 2015 #14

It is very rare for a woman to have more than one or two abortions in her lifetime. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #15

Abortion is not a form of birth control. It is a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy. The still_one Apr 2015 #26

Yes. Do you really want children brought into this world who are not wanted? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #32

Agree completely BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #78

Women are simply not that casual about abortion, depsite SheilaT Apr 2015 #34

yes n/t handmade34 Apr 2015 #77

I used to use the phrase "safe, legal, and rare" LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #13

LO4E gets it! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #16

Yup Solly Mack Apr 2015 #18

it does imply there are still 'bad' abortions fizzgig Apr 2015 #20

If EVERY woman ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #19

i fully understand that comprehensive sex ed and access to birth control reduces the abortion rate fizzgig Apr 2015 #21

I don't know where you are getting ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #63

Yes, unintended and unwanted pregancy should be rare... ananda Apr 2015 #43

Absolutely. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #62

Then we don't need to use "rare". "Rare" will take care of itself. jeff47 Apr 2015 #57

If children are innoculated ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #61

The thing you are making rare in your example is bad. jeff47 Apr 2015 #64

What the "slogan" is intended to mean ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #67

Again, you are not trying to "sell" it to someone who agrees with you. jeff47 Apr 2015 #69

"An unaffordable abortion is not safe ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #76

I understand--this is the Democratic Platform statement however ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #22

I had a different understanding of rare gwheezie Apr 2015 #23

Plus a gazillion. love_katz Apr 2015 #24

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrement. SheilaT Apr 2015 #25

Actually according to Gallop there are quite a few women who are not pro-choice still_one Apr 2015 #27

That is a very subjective polling question...many women consider themselves to be CTyankee Apr 2015 #29

That is a good point, and it isn't made clear in that poll. However, the trend graphs near the still_one Apr 2015 #42

I don't know but if they are saying they are pro-life but don't want Roe reversed CTyankee Apr 2015 #59

That's because culture has taught women that is what they are supposed to say. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #33

I agree with you. However, for whatever reason, though not a majority, there are still too many women who still_one Apr 2015 #48

Agree, unless and until it impacts them. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #49

Isn't that the way it always is unfortunately. still_one Apr 2015 #50

Indeed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #51

Polls on that subject are usually problematic. jeff47 Apr 2015 #58

That is true, a person can be against abortion, but pro-choice still_one Apr 2015 #70

I think you meant pro-choice. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #71

I sure did. Just changed it. Thanks still_one Apr 2015 #72

I agree except get the red out Apr 2015 #28

Abortion should be legal and available because HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #30

It implies that right wing policy = more abortions AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #35

Kicked Enthusiast Apr 2015 #36

K&R myrna minx Apr 2015 #37

It's an issue of semantics. 99Forever Apr 2015 #38

It's about changing the rhetoric at a time when efforts to restrict access are hugely successful. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #39

Thanks for talking right past me. 99Forever Apr 2015 #40

Back atcha. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #41

Intent or not. 99Forever Apr 2015 #52

K, thanks for listening and being open to understanding!! PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #53

Back atcha. 99Forever Apr 2015 #54

Ted Kennedy: "abortion should be rare" Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #44

That was a decade ago. Things have changed and he's gone so not cozying up with anyone. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #45

Nancy Pelosi: "we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions". Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #46

She's wrong in framing it and I would be happy to discuss with her. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #47

Non-invasive procedures are almost always preferable TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #55

2% to 3% of women who have abortions experience side effects requiring medical assistance. Xithras Apr 2015 #56

Up to 9 weeks, women have non-surgical options Major Nikon Apr 2015 #65

I don't have that same issue. LWolf Apr 2015 #60

The procedure is invasive and can have major complications Ruby the Liberal Apr 2015 #68

+++++ "Rare" suggests a moral hazard. DirkGently Apr 2015 #73

I guess I'd rather see fewer abortions Squantoish Apr 2015 #74

If they have only two clinics in Texas allowed to perform abortions U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #75

Rec! progressoid Apr 2015 #80