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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]KoKo
(84,711 posts)43. 3rd Article is Better & NOT by Frum: "Hillary's Campaign Is Built on a Shaky Foundation"
Are conflicts of interest inevitable when the Clintons are involved?
The problem here isn't that the Clinton Foundation wasn't following the rules. As with the email controversy, where there's evidence that the letter (though not the spirit) of public-records laws was followed, the problem here is with the rules themselves. It's hard to imagine any guideline that could avoid any suggestion that foreign actors were trying to influence Hillary Clinton, but also allow the Clinton Foundation to continue supporting its work. How many global donors have no connection to a foreign government?
Yet dissolving a huge charitable organization for a short stint as secretary of state doesn't seem practical either. (The fate of the foundation if Hillary Clinton is elected president is a different and more interesting topic for speculation.) Bill Clinton's post-presidency was unique from the start. As James Fallows noted in the magazine in 2003, he was the youngest ex-president since Theodore Roosevelt (and he's already outlived TR by eight years), so he had an unparalleled chance to create a post-presidential legacy. His connections to foreign leaders and his ability to raise money meant he could achieve more around the world than any predecessor and than most charitable organizations. As long as Hillary Clinton remains an aspiring or active public servant, however, there will be conflict-of-interest questions.
What has been clear, or should have been clear, since Clinton's rise to the top of the 2016 field, is that such controversies are what you get with the Clintonstake it or leave it. Hillary Clinton offers a depth of relationships with foreign leaders and a savvy that a Washington newcomer like Barack Obama (or Scott Walker) couldn't hope to bring to the White House; but you might also get uncomfortable donations. Often enough, there's no proof of serious malfeasance, either, just troubling questions. Both the emails and the donations fit that model. (One way to assess whether there was any tit-for-tat involving the foundation and the State Department would be if you could look at Hillary Clinton's emails while she was secretary, which ... right.)
Predictability might be Clinton's greatest asset. It's tough to find someone who doesn't already have an opinion about her. Those inclined to distrust the Clinton family see this as further proof of what they already believed, and those who think the media and a vast right-wing conspiracy are out to get the Clintons will likewise find confirmation of their views. (Early polls may be irrelevant, but a CNN survey this week found her well out ahead of the Republican field.) The election will be won among the small number of voters who might still be swayedthough how much effect Clinton Foundation donations will have on that is impossible to tell.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/hillarys-campaign-is-built-on-a-shaky-foundation/388324/
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Long before any of these articles, and as far back as 1991, I was shaking my head at the Clintons.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#11
Excuse me - but you're quoting David fuckin' Frum?!? Former speechwriter for GW Bush?!?
scarletwoman
Apr 2015
#3
The damage control had better start soon. Thus far I don't see anyone posting a legitimate defense.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#6
There is no shame.. I'm almost embarassed for those who fall for this crap. nt
boston bean
Apr 2015
#39
Were I a "journalist" with any kind of access, here's what I'd be doing...
cherokeeprogressive
Apr 2015
#10
I've tried to do that and it never ends up looking good for the fomer Secretary or the Foundation.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#12
They swift boated John Kerry. The Rethugs will swift boat anyone. If Elizabeth Warren runs,
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#17
I'm not disagreeing with you per se, but, how do you know Senator Warren has nothing
DonViejo
Apr 2015
#48
I think she's enough of a threat that any skeletons would have by now been revealed.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#71
LoL. They don't need any truth. They make shit up. As in Clinton Cash,
misterhighwasted
Apr 2015
#50
You won't see me endorsing any republican plan to defeat the democratic party in 2016
workinclasszero
Apr 2015
#28
We are in primary season. Defend your candidate if you can and I'll support others coming in.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#32
No, NYC_SKP. I neither like nor cite people who write paeans to George Walker Bush...
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#29
Exactly, and the other Atlantic article wasn't nearly as subjective as Frum's.
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#34
I know, right? Now this right here is the time to learn how to defend this candidate.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#31
"Oh, and, David Frum is a real case, but he manages to have a career. Go figure! "
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#36
She might win Arkansas, West Virginia, and Kentucky if the GOP picks a black dude.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#42
3rd Article is Better & NOT by Frum: "Hillary's Campaign Is Built on a Shaky Foundation"
KoKo
Apr 2015
#43
THX- You can have an International Foundation or you can be Secretary of State. You can't have both.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#44
Put this together with missing emails, private server, WHILE she was SOS and Foundation, well....
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#47
Not trying to, but you would do well to imagine what mainstream Americans will make of it.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#74
I can attest that NYC_SKP has no right wing leanings. That I would swear to...
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#65
I see a lot of garbage flying but I don't see any discrediting of her experience and the afvocating
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#61
Y'all need to gear up for more of that. The Atlantic ain't The Blaze. Come'on now, don't shoot me!
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#78