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NanceGreggs

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76. "An unaffordable abortion is not safe ...

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:31 PM

Apr 2015

... because if you can't afford it you are going to go an unsafe route. Same with "unavailable".

You didn't include "alternate or unsafe route" the first time around. That's why I didn't understand how an unobtainable or unaffordable abortion could be "unsafe".

"And it's blinded you to the fact that you just said abortion was just like polio."

Now THAT is a real stretch. I said that polio and the necessity for an abortion are both things that can be reduced via preventative measures, i.e. inoculation against polio, sex ed and birth control in the latter case. That does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that "abortion is just like polio".

What it comes down to is this: No one who is pro-choice is going change their position on easy access to abortion by virtue of hearing the word "rare". And no one who is anti-choice is going to change their position based on that one word either.

People do not base their deeply-held positions on a topic like abortion on whether a "slogan" is worded one way or the other.

"so go continue to fail to expand abortion access by keeping the word 'rare' in a slogan."

Sorry, but that reasoning is so ludicrous it is astounding. Again you are equating the word "rare" with denying access to abortion, or refusing to expand its accessability and affordability.

"Let's make child hunger rare" does not mean let's feed fewer hungry children. It means the opposite. It means let's feed as many hungry children as possible, so that a hungry child is a rarity rather than commonplace.

Wanting abortions to be rare is NOT about denying access to one; it's about reducing the necessity for one - which sex ed and BC would accomplish to a great extent.

So let's end this nonsense. The minute you stated that I said "abortion was just like polio", I realized I was dealing with someone who is not interested in honest discussion, but would rather attribute statements to people who never made them.

We're done here.

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here's my issue with the 'rare' part of safe, legal and rare [View all] fizzgig Apr 2015 OP

I just don't get the idea.... daleanime Apr 2015 #1

We live in a society where many women who need an abortion can't get one. LeftyMom Apr 2015 #2

you are 100% correct fizzgig Apr 2015 #6

+10 million!!!! riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #3

... Solly Mack Apr 2015 #4

Rare is relative. There should be exactly as many abortions as are needed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #5

it absolutely legitimizes efforts to restrict it fizzgig Apr 2015 #7

You both speak for me. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #17

You're just as eloquent, I just have a large body of work in my journal to c&p from. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #31

Can't add a word to that excellent argument! hifiguy Apr 2015 #66

+1 gazillion. progressoid Apr 2015 #79

It should be rare because sabbat hunter Apr 2015 #8

women should have access to birth control because it gives them autonomy over their lives fizzgig Apr 2015 #11

Do you all really believe Abortion should be used as another form of birth control? napi21 Apr 2015 #9

not my business fizzgig Apr 2015 #10

Yes. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #12

Do you really want somebody with that little ability to plan to be a parent? LeftyMom Apr 2015 #14

It is very rare for a woman to have more than one or two abortions in her lifetime. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #15

Abortion is not a form of birth control. It is a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy. The still_one Apr 2015 #26

Yes. Do you really want children brought into this world who are not wanted? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #32

Agree completely BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #78

Women are simply not that casual about abortion, depsite SheilaT Apr 2015 #34

yes n/t handmade34 Apr 2015 #77

I used to use the phrase "safe, legal, and rare" LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #13

LO4E gets it! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #16

Yup Solly Mack Apr 2015 #18

it does imply there are still 'bad' abortions fizzgig Apr 2015 #20

If EVERY woman ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #19

i fully understand that comprehensive sex ed and access to birth control reduces the abortion rate fizzgig Apr 2015 #21

I don't know where you are getting ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #63

Yes, unintended and unwanted pregancy should be rare... ananda Apr 2015 #43

Absolutely. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #62

Then we don't need to use "rare". "Rare" will take care of itself. jeff47 Apr 2015 #57

If children are innoculated ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #61

The thing you are making rare in your example is bad. jeff47 Apr 2015 #64

What the "slogan" is intended to mean ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #67

Again, you are not trying to "sell" it to someone who agrees with you. jeff47 Apr 2015 #69

"An unaffordable abortion is not safe ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #76

I understand--this is the Democratic Platform statement however ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #22

I had a different understanding of rare gwheezie Apr 2015 #23

Plus a gazillion. love_katz Apr 2015 #24

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrement. SheilaT Apr 2015 #25

Actually according to Gallop there are quite a few women who are not pro-choice still_one Apr 2015 #27

That is a very subjective polling question...many women consider themselves to be CTyankee Apr 2015 #29

That is a good point, and it isn't made clear in that poll. However, the trend graphs near the still_one Apr 2015 #42

I don't know but if they are saying they are pro-life but don't want Roe reversed CTyankee Apr 2015 #59

That's because culture has taught women that is what they are supposed to say. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #33

I agree with you. However, for whatever reason, though not a majority, there are still too many women who still_one Apr 2015 #48

Agree, unless and until it impacts them. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #49

Isn't that the way it always is unfortunately. still_one Apr 2015 #50

Indeed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #51

Polls on that subject are usually problematic. jeff47 Apr 2015 #58

That is true, a person can be against abortion, but pro-choice still_one Apr 2015 #70

I think you meant pro-choice. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #71

I sure did. Just changed it. Thanks still_one Apr 2015 #72

I agree except get the red out Apr 2015 #28

Abortion should be legal and available because HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #30

It implies that right wing policy = more abortions AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #35

Kicked Enthusiast Apr 2015 #36

K&R myrna minx Apr 2015 #37

It's an issue of semantics. 99Forever Apr 2015 #38

It's about changing the rhetoric at a time when efforts to restrict access are hugely successful. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #39

Thanks for talking right past me. 99Forever Apr 2015 #40

Back atcha. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #41

Intent or not. 99Forever Apr 2015 #52

K, thanks for listening and being open to understanding!! PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #53

Back atcha. 99Forever Apr 2015 #54

Ted Kennedy: "abortion should be rare" Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #44

That was a decade ago. Things have changed and he's gone so not cozying up with anyone. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #45

Nancy Pelosi: "we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions". Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #46

She's wrong in framing it and I would be happy to discuss with her. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #47

Non-invasive procedures are almost always preferable TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #55

2% to 3% of women who have abortions experience side effects requiring medical assistance. Xithras Apr 2015 #56

Up to 9 weeks, women have non-surgical options Major Nikon Apr 2015 #65

I don't have that same issue. LWolf Apr 2015 #60

The procedure is invasive and can have major complications Ruby the Liberal Apr 2015 #68

+++++ "Rare" suggests a moral hazard. DirkGently Apr 2015 #73

I guess I'd rather see fewer abortions Squantoish Apr 2015 #74

If they have only two clinics in Texas allowed to perform abortions U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #75

Rec! progressoid Apr 2015 #80