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longship

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51. Again a non sequitur.

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:48 PM

Apr 2015

All of alternative medicine is abject quackery. None of it works. In the years since DSHEA was passed in 1994, and NCCAM was formed, not a single supplemental medication has been found to be effective. Not a single one. Yet they waste millions of dollars on their research.

The bottom line here is that there is no such thing as alternative medicine. There is only medicine, based on science.

And drugs that are ineffective should not be sold, whether they are medicine, or abject quack supplements. Unfortunately, medicine has to demonstrate effectiveness and so-called supplements do not. Thanks to DSHEA.

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Dr oz is no wizard but no quack either [View all] mainer Apr 2015 OP

He's a quack who sells snake oil and gives a voice to "gay conversion therapy" PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #1

He said he is against it mainer Apr 2015 #3

He gave them a platform. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #4

Again, his website directs people to PFLAG. He doesn't include links to reparative therapy. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #6

He is against it but gives his soapbox to those who promote it Major Nikon Apr 2015 #30

I've never seen the show, but it is entertainment, right? roody Apr 2015 #42

His website w/video from that episode has only 3 links- to GLAAD, PFLAG, GLSEN KittyWampus Apr 2015 #5

Neat. Still a quack. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #7

LOL! So now you just revert to calling him a quack. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #10

Promoting Garcinia cambogia and green coffee beans as no effort weight loss cures Major Nikon Apr 2015 #34

PeaceNikki isn't the only one calling him a quack. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #62

Some in the establishment do sometimes literally LiberalElite Apr 2015 #2

The doctor who championed hand washing & briefly saved women's lives. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #8

Dr. Oz is no Dr. Semmelweis NickB79 Apr 2015 #20

I prefer science-based medicine. And yes, Dr. Oz promotes quackery. longship Apr 2015 #9

like giving thalidomide to pregnant women? KittyWampus Apr 2015 #11

And then stopping, and paying restitutions? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #13

Gees! Non sequitur! longship Apr 2015 #14

Many of the drugs ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #40

Again a non sequitur. longship Apr 2015 #51

No, ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #57

Let's see... longship Apr 2015 #78

Vitamins are ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #83

I see. The argument from inevitable corruption. longship Apr 2015 #84

You're pretty ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #85

No, I would not presume. longship Apr 2015 #86

When I see ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #87

Okay, let me chop down your straw men. longship Apr 2015 #89

Thalidomide is chiral like a lot of things JonLP24 Apr 2015 #88

10 quack treatments Dr. Oz needs to defend: beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #61

Yeah, actually he's a quack Scootaloo Apr 2015 #12

Bet you don't watch his 840high Apr 2015 #17

"not true lately" You sure about that? NickB79 Apr 2015 #18

I said lately - I've been 840high Apr 2015 #19

So, anything Dr. Oz has done before you started watching 4 mo. ago is meaningless in this debate? NickB79 Apr 2015 #21

He gives them a stage -- and then uses it to argue with them mainer Apr 2015 #28

And even GIVING them a stage is called "false equivalency" NickB79 Apr 2015 #44

Does that include "Raspberry Ketones: The Miracle Fat Burner"? frazzled Apr 2015 #15

I'm not aware this has killed anyone mainer Apr 2015 #27

I never said yank his MD frazzled Apr 2015 #31

I am a doctor. And I agree with Columbia Univ mainer Apr 2015 #35

+1 BuddhaGirl Apr 2015 #36

It's actually the very definition of being a snake-oil salesman Scootaloo Apr 2015 #39

You are a doctor who is skeptical of drugs? frazzled Apr 2015 #58

Not skeptical of drugs. But wise enough to say "Consensus medicine is not always right." mainer Apr 2015 #64

Why are you so defensive? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #68

You need to update your profile ... GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #71

Yes, I just did update it. mainer Apr 2015 #79

It has made plenty of corporations and salesmen rich, however bhikkhu Apr 2015 #67

Thank you. 840high Apr 2015 #16

Sounds like a duck.....etc alphafemale Apr 2015 #22

I am way more concerned about fraudulent Pharmaceutical Corps who push harmful sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #23

Yes. I simply don't 840high Apr 2015 #25

The witchunt's origins are clear. This time they screwed up royally though. He's got 4 million sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #41

No. He's a quack...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #24

If Dr. Oz thought there was an extra dollar or viewer in it SwankyXomb Apr 2015 #26

Not sure if "quack" is the right word. zappaman Apr 2015 #29

no evidence that he's personally profited from sales of any of these products mainer Apr 2015 #32

Uh, yeah. He has. It's called his TV show. jeff47 Apr 2015 #81

He is a quack! LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #33

Sorry, those who are trying to silence him on GMO labeling discredited themselves totally sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #43

I seen the show show many many times, he really did say that bull LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #46

Then you are more of a fan of his show than I am. Why watch someone you think is sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #47

I watch it because I am the main caretaker for my mom who has MS LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #48

I'm sorry about your mom and you are a good person to be taking care of her. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #50

He invites activists with no credentials on and calls them "scientists" when they are not. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #53

Even if people disagree, it is always nice to have a polite conversation. LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #55

Yes, it is. Thank you for remaining civil. And good luck with your mom, it isn't sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #56

Yes. It's obvious you know nothing about him. zappaman Apr 2015 #69

... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #73

He's not a quack, but he plays one on TV. Iggo Apr 2015 #37

"He is a quack! he recommended calcium supplements!" mainer Apr 2015 #38

Shhh, stop posting factual information. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #45

Here's some more factual information. zappaman Apr 2015 #70

Dr OZ a dangerous medical quack and a conspiracy theorist piece of trash 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #49

LOL, he is a quack. He has a magic pill that causes you to lose weight! nt Logical Apr 2015 #52

He should know better, being a trained doctor, but chooses to peddle snake oil anyways. backscatter712 Apr 2015 #54

You cannot win against the PHd of keyboard doctors! You are wasting your time. Rex Apr 2015 #59

Sorry Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy: More scientific proof vaccines, GMOs don�t cause autism beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #60

"Dr Oz is against vaccines, just like Jenna McCarthy!" mainer Apr 2015 #63

Are your patients straw men too? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #65

I stand with Columbia Univ mainer Apr 2015 #75

Are you? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #76

This devolves into personal attacks, does it? How sad. mainer Apr 2015 #77

Right, because your inference that his critics on DU have an agenda was what? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #80

He's still a quack bhikkhu Apr 2015 #66

What about his dog and pony show before the Senate? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #72

No, he's a quack. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #74

If he isn't a quack then why is he molting? Kalidurga Apr 2015 #82