The long and winding road of misinformation…. (Reply #190)

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190. The long and winding road of misinformation….

The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR

Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
http://www.allacronyms.com/COGR/Committee_on_Oversight_and_Government_Reform

It is solely a house committee and has been in existence since 1816. Msanthrope insists on misidentifying Issa's committee as "House COG". Why, I do not know. When I say that the House COG does not exist, I mean just that. There is no House Committee on Oversight and Government. Nor is there any House Congressional Oversight Group.

Msanthrope also claims that the COGR has investigated TPP. A google search and a search of their website reveals no such investigation.
http://oversight.house.gov/search/?q=transpacific&x=10&y=18
http://oversight.house.gov/search/?q=trans-pacific&x=19&y=16
http://oversight.house.gov/search/?q=TPP&x=10&y=16

The committee known as COG; i.e., Congressional Oversight Group, has only been in existence since 2002 created by the Trade Act which was introduced by Wyden. It's purpose is to work closely with the US Trade Representative. Issa has never been a member of the Congressional Oversight Group and thus not privy to any documents in 2011. As of 2012, the only members of Congress who might have seen or who might have had access were members of the Congressional Oversight Group. In fact, in 2012, 130 members of Congress wrote a letter to the USTR asking for consultation and broader access.
https://www.publicknowledge.org/files/TPP%20Letter%20FINAL.pdf

The Senate sent a similar letter and Wyden introduced legislation codifying access.
http://www.brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/with-trans-pacific-partnership-negotiations-set-to-continue-in-california-next-week-senators-call-for-increased-transparency-including-broader-consultation-on-internet-freedom

It appears that Wyden's bill did not make it out of committee
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/senate-bill/3225

The Congressional Oversight Group is comprised of both members of the House and the Senate. Specifically,

In each Congress, the Congressional Oversight Group shall be comprised of the following Members of the House of Representatives:
(A) The chairman and ranking member of the Committee on Ways and Means, and 3 additional members of such Committee (not more than 2 of whom are members of the same political party).

(B) The chairman and ranking member, or their designees, of the committees of the House of Representatives which would have, under the Rules of the House of Representatives, jurisdiction over provisions of law affected by a trade agreement negotiations for which are conducted at any time during that Congress and to which this chapter would apply.

It appears that Msanthrope is asserting (with absolutely no evidence) that Issa was the leaker because, in 2012, he posted on his website a TPP document that was leaked in 2011. She then goes on to assert that an Issa staffer took the bill. She also states that Issa (or a staffer… who knows, because she has provided ZERO evidence of any of there claims), that portions of the purloined document were dribbled out to see if they could drum up interest. Again, this is factually incorrect. The ENTIRE document was published online in early 2011. Many organizations analyzed it and also published their analyses online.

By the way, unless specifically directed by a relevant agency, it is not a crime to republish material in the public domain.

Reid and Pelosi would have looked stupid if they had pursued the matter. And no, Sens. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) did not complain that they were unable to leak provisions. A letter asking for broader access and the opportunity to confer with experts is not a plea to leak.

And, she states (again with no evidence), that Congressional access was looser prior to the leak. Given that members of both the Senate and the House assert in their letters that they've been barred from access, this is clearly a fabrication.

Finally, she uses all this misinformation to castigate good Democrats.

Unbelievable.

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Thank Representative Grand Theft Auto for the TPP Security--And Reid and Pelosi. [View all]	msanthrope	Apr 2015	OP
Christ almighty.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#1
Well, I was puzzled by it. But then I realized that Obama doesn't get pissed off, lightly. So I	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#2
Issa (or his staffer) should've got 5 years for that crap.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#3
It puts the Bernie Sanders' letter into its proper hypocritical, historical context, doesn't it?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#4
It's pure fucking cronyism.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#7
Why do you think Issa hit so hard on Benghazi? I suspect Issa knew he could be in trouble, and	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#11
House of Cards stuff here.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#15
I suspect Issa is headed for a fateful crash with the Clinton machine. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#29
Yep.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#33
That little everything punk prick. And now THIS	NoJusticeNoPeace	Apr 2015	#226
He published a draft that had already been leaked the previous year.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#70
This entire OP is about revealing facts in a way that implies linkage of things	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2015	#140
Pay not attention...	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#145
So are you claiming the following?	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2015	#151
No.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#154
The OP smears 4 democrats. Pay no attention to woman behind the curtain.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#152
Pretty disturbing stuff, it seems.	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2015	#153
This is a substantive post.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#157
I smear every fucking Democrat that didn't say a word about this.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#156
Link please that this insane policy did not exist before the OP's fantasy.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#160
I don't have to.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#162
Sure you do. When you make a claim like that you need to back it up.	pa28	Apr 2015	#187
The "usual channels" may not be unfettered access.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#191
What changes? Members of both the Senate and the House, in 2012 made claims that they	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#192
How many members of congress...	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#204
The USTR cracked down? Please link to ANY evidence that access was looser before 2012.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#205
Can you provide a letter from before Issa's antics?	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#206
Can you provide a link that Congress had access? In fact, the letters from the House and the Senate	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#207
You never have open access.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#208
Wyden does have regular access to some highly classified stuff	JonLP24	Apr 2015	#215
Then I'm sure he and his staffer would be open to an investigation.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#147
Thank you for doing the Digging, msanthrope! There's so much hysteria around here about "Secrecy!"	Cha	Apr 2015	#86
Issa was never on the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade. Thus he had no access to leak	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#99
So, you are claiming this Committee does not exist, and did not investigate TPP, Benghazi, and isn't	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#183
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#201
I see. Secrecy regarding the TPP is the Republican's fault.	delrem	Apr 2015	#5
Well, Congresspeople having to babysit their staffers is Issa's fault. Note that neither Warren or	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#6
Except the problem is the continued secrecy.	delrem	Apr 2015	#8
You don't get it.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#9
I get it. You like it, that the TPP is still classified.	delrem	Apr 2015	#19
The TPP should be classified until it's final. We have 11 other nations involved, and they rely on	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#23
I like that we'll have 60 days to protest it.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#24
Actually, I think it is up to 90 days	still_one	Apr 2015	#102
Thank you ...	1StrongBlackMan	Apr 2015	#67
Actually, what is happening is that somehow all of this will be blamed on Warren and Sanders, so	djean111	Apr 2015	#10
No, Issa deserves rightful blame.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#12
EFF, Public Citizen, Doctors Without Borders, etc., all wrote about the leak a full year	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#75
Posting facts means you are a Republican operative	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2015	#141
As far as I can tell...	MannyGoldstein	Apr 2015	#142
Yes. Nuts. And four democrats were smeared by the OP.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#148
Well yes. Just upthread, it's blamed on their "cronyism".	delrem	Apr 2015	#13
You don't think it's cronyism for congresspeople...	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#17
Just holding feet to the fire. Even Warren's. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#18
You lit a straw man. And that's all you've got. nt	delrem	Apr 2015	#22
You seem to want to forget Issa's involvment with TPP leaking. Why? nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#25
Because anything negative against the President of the United States	Iliyah	Apr 2015	#178
Check out downthread--we are now supposed to pretend Issa never headed House COG, never investigated	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#180
Warren and Sanders share the blame with every other Congressperson who didn't call out Issa. Plenty	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#14
Issa is the closest thing to a Luca Brasi the house has.	Buns_of_Fire	Apr 2015	#16
Any trade deal that involves 12 nations is going to have massive security, and will be secret	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#20
Lulz	Jesus Malverde	Apr 2015	#26
You compliment the Notorious S.I.D. when you copy him.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#28
Just playing with the neocons	Jesus Malverde	Apr 2015	#31
Bravely, you face "neocons" with smilies? Indeed, Sir Robin! nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#34
Who is sir Robbin?	Jesus Malverde	Apr 2015	#38
You youngsters. No appreciation for fine culture.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#41
Do you remember Woodstock	Jesus Malverde	Apr 2015	#44
Apparently, I was there. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#45
Lol	Jesus Malverde	Apr 2015	#46
It wasn't lax, Issa just shit on the trade committee.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#27
As they should retaliate. Too bad no Congressperson took Issa to task for being the bad apple. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#30
+1	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#35
This is why I miss Prosense. She would have found it, months ago...as soon as the babysitting	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#39
Heck, republicans accused FDR of 'secret tariff agreements' and they were just bilateral deals. n/t	pampango	Apr 2015	#32
Right--I thought FDR Democrats liked reciprocal trade agreements? FDR sure did. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#36
It would seem that some "FDR Democrats" part company with their mentor on trade issues.	pampango	Apr 2015	#43
Those who forget history.......nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#47
Bretton Woods Conference	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#52
I understand the reasoning behind the secrecy. I just don't LIKE it in this case.	Buns_of_Fire	Apr 2015	#37
I like the idea of the 500 entities--it included labor and environmental in the top tier....	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#40
That's a lot more than many on this board.	Cha	Apr 2015	#90
Many hateful thread which gets over the top rec'ds	Iliyah	Apr 2015	#182
It wasn't there in the first place.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#21
But if there wasn't a problem before, then Issa's staffer taking a copy for his	Buns_of_Fire	Apr 2015	#48
It wasn't taking the copy that was the problem.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#53
The entire text SHOULD be posted on line. ALL of it, Every fucking word.	99Forever	Apr 2015	#42
And it will be. Once it's final. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#50
Too late then.	99Forever	Apr 2015	#57
take it up with the founding fathers then.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#68
Screw the "legislative branch."	99Forever	Apr 2015	#71
. . . and Warren took the secrecy ball tossed by Issa and ran with it	ucrdem	Apr 2015	#49
I've seen that interview. I am disappointed Warren did not discuss the prior	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#51
Curious how she stuck to that talking point.	ucrdem	Apr 2015	#54
Like msanthrope said, Obama doesn't get pissed easily.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#55
I don't think he has much choice.	ucrdem	Apr 2015	#56
Howzabout I criticize the whole lot of 'em?	stillwaiting	Apr 2015	#58
Yep.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#61
Even if it happened, it require that such leaking can't be a heroic act against opacity.	HereSince1628	Apr 2015	#59
I am not sure some understands the process of negotiations and I therefore	Thinkingabout	Apr 2015	#60
Really?	Depaysement	Apr 2015	#62
Easy....start with filing a House Ethics complaint. And you are right....	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#64
Not easy	Depaysement	Apr 2015	#77
Let me see if I have you correctly....No one should file against Issa because	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#80
It would never get out of committee so why bother	Depaysement	Apr 2015	#87
It's all becomes clear, it's nothing about the Democrats or the Republicans. It's all about Obama.	Autumn	Apr 2015	#63
Our government never learns.	Baitball Blogger	Apr 2015	#65
I won't hold my breath for the Third-Way Manny thread complaining about Issa...	SidDithers	Apr 2015	#66
From the perpetually sarcastic, IOKIYAR.	randome	Apr 2015	#72
No shite.	Cha	Apr 2015	#89
Actually, he published a draft that had already been leaked the previous year.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#69
Defending Darrell Issa's actions is, I had hoped, beneath you, LA. And techdirt isn't telling	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#73
I'm laying out the facts as I found them. Care to provide a link that an Issa staffer leaked the	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#76
Again...you are defending Issa, who was behind the original leak. Do you think it	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#79
Care to provide a link that Issa was behind the leak?	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#81
Sure....once you provide a link to back up your claims about Israel Shamir.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#83
I can't cite anything he wrote for the Israeli publication. I don't speak, read	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#93
You just used an anti-Semite repudiated by the Catholic League to bolster	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#104
I'm not defending Issa. I am defending Reid, Pelosi, Sanders, and Warren. Dems that you're smearing.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#123
You just used an anti-Semite repudiated by the Catholic League to bolster your claims about another	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#129
I provided the info you requested, And you said, if I did, you would do in return.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#158
You used an Anti-Semite, repudiated by the Catholic League....hardly a progressive	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#161
Progressive was not the standard. A citation was. I provided. I doubt you will	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#194
are you going to admit that you were wrong about this Holocaust denier? nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#219
Of course "defend issa".. nothing will get in their way to bash President Obama. Nothing.	Cha	Apr 2015	#88
I thought this was about Pelosi and Reid? The OP is baselessly bashing them with flailing fabrication.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#100
You are actually claiming downthread that this Commitee--House COG, does not exist---	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#116
Yep. There is no such thing as House COG. GOG, BY STATUTE, is comprised by members of the Senate	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#125
So Politico made up an imaginary Committee?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#131
No. There are dozens of oversight committees. Issa was not on the COG committee.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#137
He was the chairman of the House COG. I provided you video of him in the Sandra Fluke matter.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#138
He was chairman of Government and Oversight Reform. Which has nothing to do with trade and this...	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#139
Lemme see if I have this....you have dropped the claim that the the House COG does not exist?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#167
Nope. Not once dropped the claim the House COG does not exist. It doesn't exist.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#170
This Comimittee does not exist---and never investigated TPP, Benghazi, and the ACA?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#175
COGR exists. House COG does not exist.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#193
Your War on Acronyms ranks up there with the time you accused me of plagiarizing	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#221
At this point, we have posters claiming this committee--House COG, does not exist.....	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#117
Because it doesn't. COG, established in 2002 specified to trade. Issa's committee was established in	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#126
So this committee, in which Issa opened up a TPP investigation, is imaginary?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#132
There is not one word about any TPP or investigation, What. So. Ever. Is this a joke?	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#146
And now you conceed the existence of a Committee you previously denied.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#159
He did not qualify to be on the committee, I am defending Democrats. You aren tearing them down,	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#164
Lemme see if I have this.....You now acknowledge there actually is a Committee?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#165
Um…..	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#168
So you admit the Committee you claimed does not exist, actually exists? nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#169
Sigh, There are dozens of oversight committees. Issas committee is not GOC	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#171
This Committee--with a TPP investigation, a Benghazi investigation, etc....does not exist?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#177
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#195
I appreciate you walking back your claim that Issa didn't investigate TPP	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#222
Of course they are.. I've seen their denials in action before..	Cha	Apr 2015	#149
And yet people blame Obama for 99% of the shit Congress does!	Rex	Apr 2015	#74
He's also Representative Arson Insurance Fraud too!	cascadiance	Apr 2015	#78
In 2012 only the a few members of the Congressional oversight committee had access.	pa28	Apr 2015	#82
Um...No..That's not what I wrote. Issa was on COG House. And he and his staffer leaked.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#84
Your OP says the USTRO's office tried allowing unfettered access but restricted it due to Issa.	pa28	Apr 2015	#85
It is almost certain that Issa wasn't even a member of the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#96
Are you kidding me? Issa is COG House....which is what I wrote....and that commitee does actually	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#108
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#200
There is no such thing as COG House. In 2011, Issa was chair of House Committee on Oversight	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#95
Holy frackin' crap---are you kidding me? First of all, COG House does exist----here it is....	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#105
COG House does not exist. COG is specific to Wyden's 2002 legislation that addresses trade.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#133
Are you actually denying that this committee--that Elijah Cummings is on, does not exist?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#135
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#197
Issa simply re-posted an old leak. Who did the original leak?	riderinthestorm	Apr 2015	#91
Issa wasn't even on the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade so he would have no access.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#97
How is it that you are completely unfamiliar with COG House--to the point of denying its existence?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#109
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#199
Make it public	Aerows	Apr 2015	#92
You have provided some really great info on all of this. K&R	Number23	Apr 2015	#94
She provided shite. Issa was never on the Congressional Oversight Group On Trade in 2011 or 2012.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#98
After all of your posts in this thread, is it really necessary for you to accost every single person	Number23	Apr 2015	#101
No. It is not okay because Msanthrope smears Pelosi and Reid on a complete fabrication.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#103
Issa had the documents because House COG had a TPP investigation going full throttle. How did you	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#114
How can I claim there is no House COG on trade because there isn't. The COG on trade is Senate AND House.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#127
Are you actually saying that Elijah Cummings is on an imaginary committee that did not have a TPP	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#134
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#196
Then let me accost you. She's posted fabricated garbage. Made it up.	riderinthestorm	Apr 2015	#106
Actually....I'm amazingly surprised that neither you nor Luminous Animal seem to remember that	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#111
No, it says more about the absolutely PANICKED responses you and your pal are making	Number23	Apr 2015	#118
I've got 2 posts in this entire thread and I'm the one panicked??!!	riderinthestorm	Apr 2015	#202
The panic was in the number of posts from your pal and your needless reponse to me	Number23	Apr 2015	#210
Misanthrope can't even keep the timeline or committees straight	riderinthestorm	Apr 2015	#213
There's no rage, dear. You've gotten that as accurate as your summation of msanthrope's timeline	Number23	Apr 2015	#214
Note--Luminous Animal is actually claiming that the commitee that Issa chaired does not exist......	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#115
We both know I'd take your word over the likes of the others running up and down this thread	Number23	Apr 2015	#119
I know it, and I appreciate it. But I'm honestly stunned....to defend Issa, there is now the claim	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#120
Well, I mean if it's okay with the squatters in this thread, I'd like to reiterate my earlier post	Number23	Apr 2015	#121
I thank you.....and I'm off to walk my lovie mess of a dog and laugh my ass off......nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#122
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#198
Issa's committee is not called COG. COG was established in 2002. Issa's in 1816.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#128
Are you actually denying that House COG does not exist? Is Elijah Cummings lying?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#136
He was on COG House which has nothing to do with contraception, but how did you forget Sandra Fluke?	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#110
Hey, this wouldn't be the first time that people opposed to President Obama have broken the law...	YoungDemCA	Apr 2015	#107
To clarify the issue of whether Issa was responsible for initially leaking the document: No, but....	YoungDemCA	Apr 2015	#112
actually--Issa was responsible for the initial leak. House COG had those documents because of their	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#113
Link please to the committee known as the House COG.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#124
Already did, upthread, with video of Issa being asked why House COG would not host Sandra Fluke. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#130
Refresh my memory	Aerows	Apr 2015	#150
Nope. No such thing has house COG. You are confusing a House domestic oversight	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#155
You, madam, are pretending that Issa's House COG simply did not exist.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#163
You, something or other, are pretending that the House COG exists. It does not. Link please.	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#166
This quibble has no bearing on the OP which makes no mention of said committee.	ucrdem	Apr 2015	#172
Yeah	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#174
For your viewing pleasure---apparently, I plagarized my own OP.....	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#181
I remember well.	joshcryer	Apr 2015	#184
Fixed...nt	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#185
There was a time when Luminous Animal accused me of plagarizing my own thread, and threatened to	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#179
Ah yes..	ucrdem	Apr 2015	#188
So Issa is in on this, too	Aerows	Apr 2015	#143
Democratic former Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick joins Bain Capital	ucrdem	Apr 2015	#144
Wow after reading those epic sub-threads...yikes.	Rex	Apr 2015	#173
Rex--respectfully, that won't clear it up. Once you start claiming that certain	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#176
Yeah I did not mean LA	Rex	Apr 2015	#189
"you aren't going to admit your mistake" Nope, if anything hunker down deeper and keep accosting	Number23	Apr 2015	#209
at this point I'm asking la to admit she was wrong about the Holocaust denier	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#220
Rough draft of TPP will be able for review by the public and congresscritters will be able	Iliyah	Apr 2015	#186
The long and winding road of misinformation….	Luminous Animal	Apr 2015	#190
Great work, Luminous Animal	Oilwellian	Apr 2015	#211
Congress is kabuki theater on acid.	Rex	Apr 2015	#212
LA and I go way back. I once wrote something about Glenn Greenwald	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#218
I doubt anyone was confused when you typed HCOG. Thanks for the explanation.	Rex	Apr 2015	#223
I guess I'm lucky LA didn't accuse me of being homophobic with my acronym usage this time.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#224
I remember that and telling her I use GG just like I use HRC and so what does that mean?	Rex	Apr 2015	#229
No....I called GG a 'ratfucker' and the alerter claimed I was being homophobic. I got a hide.	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#230
so far in this thread you've denied a committee existed and you've used an anti Semite	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#216
Why does this remind me of Jonathan Gruber/Obamacare?	merrily	Apr 2015	#203
God, if you're down to throwing Reid and Pelosi under the bus to defend Obama...	Marr	Apr 2015	#217
Bullshit	99Forever	Apr 2015	#225
That's BS....in keeping with the War on Acronyms LA	msanthrope	Apr 2015	#227
Smells like bullshit, it's bullshit.	99Forever	Apr 2015	#228

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