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beam me up scottie

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72. What about his dog and pony show before the Senate?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 09:41 PM
Apr 2015
Dr. Oz and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Dr. Mehmet Oz is one of the most well-known, and possibly the most influential medical doctor in America. The Dr. Oz Show is broadcast in 118 countries and reaches over 3 million viewers in the USA alone. When Oz profiles a product or supplement on his show, sales explode – it’s called “The Dr. Oz Effect”. Regrettably, Oz routinely and consistently gives questionable health advice, particularly when it comes to weight loss products, where Oz regularly uses hyperbolic terms like “miracle” for the products he profiles:

. (On green coffee extract) — “You may think magic is make-believe, but this little bean has scientists saying they found the magic weight-loss for every body type.”

. (On raspberry ketone) — “I’ve got the number one miracle in a bottle to burn your fat”

. (On Garcinia cambogia) — “It may be the simple solution you’ve been looking for to bust your body fat for good.”


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When it was announced that Dr. Oz had been invited to speak by Senate Commerce subcommittee Chairwoman Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) about weight loss scams, at least one irony meter exploded. A protégé of Oprah, his spin-off television show started in 2007 quickly became a platform for hosting other dubious “experts”, offering questionable health advice, and repeatedly profiling today’s versions of snake oil. So asking Oz to speak about weight-loss scams seemed absurd, given he’s possibly the most influential promoter of weight loss scams in America. A friend of the blog suggested that a better use of Dr. Oz would have been to hold him up as an example of the very problem he’d been asked to speak about.

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Senator McCaskill repeatedly grilled Dr. Oz on green coffee beans, one of his most absurd “miracle” supplements that he’s endorsed. Here’s the key excerpt, and I thank friend of the blog, Dr. Peter Lipson, for taking the time to transcribe it:

Dr. Oz: Well, if I could disagree about whether they work or not, and I’ll move on to the issue of the words that I used. And just with regards to whether they work or not, take green coffee bean extract as an example. Uh, I’m not gonna argue that it would pass FDA muster if it was a pharmaceutical drug seeking approval, but among the natural products that are out there, this is a product that has several clinical trials. There was one large one, a very good quality one, that was done the year that we talked about this, in 2012. Listen, I’ve…

Sen. McCaskill: wh..wha..I wanna know about that clinical trial. Because the only one I know was sixteen people in India that was paid for by the company that, that was in fact, at the point in time when you initially talked about this being a miracle, the only study that was out there was the one with sixteen people in India that was written up by somebody that was being paid by the company that was producing it.

Dr. Oz: Well, this paper argue that there was no one paying for it, but I have the, four papers, five papers actually plus a series of basic science papers on it as well. But, but Senator McCaskill, what, if I, we can spend a lot of time arguing the merits of whether green coffee bean extract is worth trying or not worth trying. Maybe the things that we argue you do with regard to your diet are likewise criticizable, I mean should you be on a low fat diet, a low carb diet, we b…I spent a good part of my career recommending that folks have a low fat diet, but we’ve come full circle in that argument now and no longer recommend that now, many of us who practice medicine because it no longer worked for our patients. Now it is remarkably complex, as you know, to figure out what works for most people even, in a dietary program.

In the practice of medicine we evolve by looking at new ideas and challenging orthodoxy and evolving them. So…so when I hold…these are the five papers, these are clinical papers, uh, and we can argue about the quality of them, very justifiably, uh, I could pick apart papers that showed no benefit as well, but, at, at the end of the day, I have clinical subjects, real people, having undergone trials, and in this case I actually gave it to member of my audience it wasn’t a formal trial, it was just an exch…

Senator McCaskill: Which wouldn’t pass…the trial you did with your audience, you would not say that it would ever pass scientific muster.

Dr. Oz: No, I would never publish the paper. It wasn’t done under the appropriate IRB guidance, that wasn’t the purpose of it. The purpose was for me to get a thumbnail sketch, was this worth talking to people about or not. But again I don’t think this should be a referendum on the use of alternative medical therapies ’cause if that’s the case then I’ve been criticized for having folks come on my show and talk about the power of prayer. Now again as a practitioner I can’t prove that prayer helps people survive an illness, I…

Senator McCaskill: Sure, but it’s hard to buy prayer.

Dr. Oz: Hard to buy prayer. That’s the difference.

Sen. McCaskill: Prayer is free.

Dr. Oz: Yes, prayer is free, that’s a very good point.


More: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr-oz-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-day/



You ask:
Where do all these attacks come from, so suddenly, and why? And why does a "distinguished doctor" who served time in jail for Medicaid fraud have it in for Oz?


Why are you lending credence to his conspiracy theory that some shadowy faction is "suddenly" out to get him when it's obvious that Dr. Oz has had a quacking problem for a very long time?


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He's a quack who sells snake oil and gives a voice to "gay conversion therapy" PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #1
He said he is against it mainer Apr 2015 #3
He gave them a platform. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #4
Again, his website directs people to PFLAG. He doesn't include links to reparative therapy. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #6
He is against it but gives his soapbox to those who promote it Major Nikon Apr 2015 #30
I've never seen the show, but it is entertainment, right? roody Apr 2015 #42
His website w/video from that episode has only 3 links- to GLAAD, PFLAG, GLSEN KittyWampus Apr 2015 #5
Neat. Still a quack. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #7
LOL! So now you just revert to calling him a quack. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #10
Promoting Garcinia cambogia and green coffee beans as no effort weight loss cures Major Nikon Apr 2015 #34
PeaceNikki isn't the only one calling him a quack. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #62
Some in the establishment do sometimes literally LiberalElite Apr 2015 #2
The doctor who championed hand washing & briefly saved women's lives. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #8
Dr. Oz is no Dr. Semmelweis NickB79 Apr 2015 #20
I prefer science-based medicine. And yes, Dr. Oz promotes quackery. longship Apr 2015 #9
like giving thalidomide to pregnant women? KittyWampus Apr 2015 #11
And then stopping, and paying restitutions? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #13
Gees! Non sequitur! longship Apr 2015 #14
Many of the drugs ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #40
Again a non sequitur. longship Apr 2015 #51
No, ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #57
Let's see... longship Apr 2015 #78
Vitamins are ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #83
I see. The argument from inevitable corruption. longship Apr 2015 #84
You're pretty ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #85
No, I would not presume. longship Apr 2015 #86
When I see ohheckyeah Apr 2015 #87
Okay, let me chop down your straw men. longship Apr 2015 #89
Thalidomide is chiral like a lot of things JonLP24 Apr 2015 #88
10 quack treatments Dr. Oz needs to defend: beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #61
Yeah, actually he's a quack Scootaloo Apr 2015 #12
Bet you don't watch his 840high Apr 2015 #17
"not true lately" You sure about that? NickB79 Apr 2015 #18
I said lately - I've been 840high Apr 2015 #19
So, anything Dr. Oz has done before you started watching 4 mo. ago is meaningless in this debate? NickB79 Apr 2015 #21
He gives them a stage -- and then uses it to argue with them mainer Apr 2015 #28
And even GIVING them a stage is called "false equivalency" NickB79 Apr 2015 #44
Does that include "Raspberry Ketones: The Miracle Fat Burner"? frazzled Apr 2015 #15
I'm not aware this has killed anyone mainer Apr 2015 #27
I never said yank his MD frazzled Apr 2015 #31
I am a doctor. And I agree with Columbia Univ mainer Apr 2015 #35
+1 BuddhaGirl Apr 2015 #36
It's actually the very definition of being a snake-oil salesman Scootaloo Apr 2015 #39
You are a doctor who is skeptical of drugs? frazzled Apr 2015 #58
Not skeptical of drugs. But wise enough to say "Consensus medicine is not always right." mainer Apr 2015 #64
Why are you so defensive? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #68
You need to update your profile ... GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #71
Yes, I just did update it. mainer Apr 2015 #79
It has made plenty of corporations and salesmen rich, however bhikkhu Apr 2015 #67
Thank you. 840high Apr 2015 #16
Sounds like a duck.....etc alphafemale Apr 2015 #22
I am way more concerned about fraudulent Pharmaceutical Corps who push harmful sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #23
Yes. I simply don't 840high Apr 2015 #25
The witchunt's origins are clear. This time they screwed up royally though. He's got 4 million sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #41
No. He's a quack...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #24
If Dr. Oz thought there was an extra dollar or viewer in it SwankyXomb Apr 2015 #26
Not sure if "quack" is the right word. zappaman Apr 2015 #29
no evidence that he's personally profited from sales of any of these products mainer Apr 2015 #32
Uh, yeah. He has. It's called his TV show. jeff47 Apr 2015 #81
He is a quack! LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #33
Sorry, those who are trying to silence him on GMO labeling discredited themselves totally sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #43
I seen the show show many many times, he really did say that bull LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #46
Then you are more of a fan of his show than I am. Why watch someone you think is sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #47
I watch it because I am the main caretaker for my mom who has MS LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #48
I'm sorry about your mom and you are a good person to be taking care of her. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #50
He invites activists with no credentials on and calls them "scientists" when they are not. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #53
Even if people disagree, it is always nice to have a polite conversation. LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #55
Yes, it is. Thank you for remaining civil. And good luck with your mom, it isn't sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #56
Yes. It's obvious you know nothing about him. zappaman Apr 2015 #69
... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #73
He's not a quack, but he plays one on TV. Iggo Apr 2015 #37
"He is a quack! he recommended calcium supplements!" mainer Apr 2015 #38
Shhh, stop posting factual information. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #45
Here's some more factual information. zappaman Apr 2015 #70
Dr OZ a dangerous medical quack and a conspiracy theorist piece of trash 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #49
LOL, he is a quack. He has a magic pill that causes you to lose weight! nt Logical Apr 2015 #52
He should know better, being a trained doctor, but chooses to peddle snake oil anyways. backscatter712 Apr 2015 #54
You cannot win against the PHd of keyboard doctors! You are wasting your time. Rex Apr 2015 #59
Sorry Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy: More scientific proof vaccines, GMOs don’t cause autism beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #60
"Dr Oz is against vaccines, just like Jenna McCarthy!" mainer Apr 2015 #63
Are your patients straw men too? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #65
I stand with Columbia Univ mainer Apr 2015 #75
Are you? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #76
This devolves into personal attacks, does it? How sad. mainer Apr 2015 #77
Right, because your inference that his critics on DU have an agenda was what? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #80
He's still a quack bhikkhu Apr 2015 #66
What about his dog and pony show before the Senate? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #72
No, he's a quack. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #74
If he isn't a quack then why is he molting? Kalidurga Apr 2015 #82
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