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sabrina 1

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53. I'm not sure what you are asking 'without the trade deal'. Do you want us to assume
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:02 PM
Apr 2015

that there is no trade deal and to start from there, or to ignore it even if it passes?

If it passes, there is nothing we can do other than accept whatever is in it, because thousands of Global Corporations will be here in this country suing us over our laws, in Corporate Tribunals, and we will be spending most of our time to defend the laws we already have.

But if you mean 'as if it never happened', then I would suggest that Congress prepare a list of what issues are the most important to consider, when entering into any Trade deals.

1) Labor, increase production in the US, bring back manufacturing

2) Wages, do not even consider forcing the American worker to compete with workers where the wages are .60c an hour or less.

3) No Corporation, foreign or domestic, will have the right to sue this country or any other, because of its laws (glad we got a peek at this agreement otherwise who would even have imagined such a thing?) Our laws are not strong enough as it is.

Additionally make sure Corporations understand they will be sued, fined, kicked out of the country and even jailed IF they violate any of our laws.

4) Use Trade Agreements to raise standards in poorer countries, encourage them to implement environmental laws and internet freedom laws etc.

5) Close the gap created by NAFTA regarding our Trade Deficit.

6) The murder of labor Union Protesters in any country will result in prosecutions and convictions of those responsible. See Colombia eg, where we were partners with the murdering administration there. THAT should be the last time we partner or trade with such a regime.

That is an outline of a few goals I can think of off the top of my head.

Once we have our goals set, all of which should be aimed at protecting this country's laws, labor, advantages we get from Fair Trade etc, then we can start to think about how to implement fair trading policies with other nations.

I can't imagine entering into ANY agreement where the best interests of the country making deals are not clearly laid out and used as a standard for every 'offer' made.

From what we've learned so far, it appears our Trade Agreements are dictated by Corporations and their needs. Maybe that should also be added to the list. Corporations do not write, determine or otherwise influence our laws. Corporations will be treated fairly, but they will not make laws for this or any other country entering into the agreement.

Presuming President Obama is correct, lovemydog Apr 2015 #1
one allows congress to go thru it and modify it where needed nt msongs Apr 2015 #4
What did we suggest as Democrats, when Bush asked for the same thing in 2007 sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #5
How do you think we can fix the trade deficit we have since NAFTA? lovemydog Apr 2015 #6
First of all, the trade deal HAS been negotiated in secret. But our Reps on the Trade Commission sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #17
Plus infinity! Level playing field implies we all have the same standard of living... cascadiance Apr 2015 #28
Yes, now that we know about this horror that is part of this Trade Agreement and since sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #56
Thanks for this post sabrina 1. lovemydog Apr 2015 #52
Thank you, and yes, a minimum wage IS important. However, much as I agree with that, the TPP sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #54
Strengthen unions and start following German practices better? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #33
Yeah, I think that's a big one. lovemydog Apr 2015 #51
KNR! JaneyVee Apr 2015 #2
What did you think of it JaneyVee? lovemydog Apr 2015 #3
This bill is not like the old trade bills - from what we have seen so far it is about profits for jwirr Apr 2015 #43
The nail in the coffin of the middle class AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #7
The President says it will help strengthen the middle class. lovemydog Apr 2015 #10
Can you tell us what is in this Trade Deal that will help the Middle Class? Other than sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #25
No I can't. But I don't think we're ever going to completely lovemydog Apr 2015 #50
I'm not sure what you are asking 'without the trade deal'. Do you want us to assume sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #53
It's easy AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #59
The President is wrong. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #34
Same line of crap was used to sucker us into NAFTA. 99Forever Apr 2015 #35
Bingo Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #48
zz recho2com Apr 2015 #8
What a great first post. lovemydog Apr 2015 #11
does the tpa bill that just got voted through house and Senate committees cali Apr 2015 #9
I'm sorry cali, I don't know. lovemydog Apr 2015 #14
"Trade Deals that Put American Workers First" marmar Apr 2015 #12
Are you referring to NAFTA lovemydog Apr 2015 #15
I believe he is sincere, and I'll tell you what... joshcryer Apr 2015 #13
Thanks for the kind reply joshcryer. lovemydog Apr 2015 #16
It shouldn't affect the US (IP-wise). joshcryer Apr 2015 #18
Based on what you're saying, lovemydog Apr 2015 #19
That's the thing. joshcryer Apr 2015 #23
Don't understand all you are saying but it seems to me that this would be a way of keeping the jwirr Apr 2015 #46
How about putting Americans that are unemployed but seeking work first? Rex Apr 2015 #20
I was just thinking the same thing Rex. lovemydog Apr 2015 #21
Totally agree, the argument that wage increases hurts overall profit if crap and needs Rex Apr 2015 #22
Mr. President, stop renegotiating NAFTA (and the FTA's with Australia, Chile, Peru and Singapore). pampango Apr 2015 #24
Do you know whether or not our Trade Deficit has been addressed in the TPP? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #26
If it enforces higher labor and environmental standards on trading partners then it should address pampango Apr 2015 #29
So we don't know. Which is why Democrats are correct to oppose it. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #32
Your faith in congress to make this a better agreement, if given the chance, is intriguing. pampango Apr 2015 #38
What do you think of Obama's 'level of bi-partisanship'? Thanks for the slam, this is what has made sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #40
"Most Republicans support Obama on this, while most Democrats do not." Not true. pampango Apr 2015 #44
Where are you getting that 'democrats support fast track'? Unions oppose it, even sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #49
"Only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea. ... Republican majority oppose . pampango Apr 2015 #58
As if you aren't an unflinching supporter of the un-regnegotiated NAFTA, WTO. Romulox Apr 2015 #27
Kudos to your continued focus on discussing policies not posters. Many have missed pampango Apr 2015 #30
Um, you're doing the same thing. Right now. Romulox Apr 2015 #36
Some days I'm a little slow. I blame it on age. Thanks for your concern. n/t pampango Apr 2015 #39
Also, notice you couldn't dispute my first post. SUBJECT CHANGE TIME! nt Romulox Apr 2015 #37
I try not to respond to posts about posters including ones about me. pampango Apr 2015 #41
Your "opinions" are crystal clear. That means you aren't doing a good job Romulox Apr 2015 #42
Great Revealer of True Motives and Beliefs strikes another blow for truth, justice and pampango Apr 2015 #45
Workers. Right. Marr Apr 2015 #31
Translation of American workers = the 1% ananda Apr 2015 #47
Thank you lovemydog.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #55
You're welcome my friend. I'm still opposed the TPP. lovemydog Apr 2015 #57
I support the TPP and here's why . . . Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #61
Unions put American workers first AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #60
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