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Curmudgeoness

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43. That would have been a devious promise

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:11 PM

Apr 2015

if we are going to focus on the exact wording without including the rest of what we were told about the benefits to the US.

"I promise that I will not punch you." "I didn't say that I wouldn't kick you or bite you or shoot you." Doesn't matter much if you make me feel safer, but are just playing word games.

From what I see of our production and exports, we are exporting raw materials to China, and they are refining them and shipping them back to us as finished products. So increasing exports to China is a sleazy way to sell us something.

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Bernie Sanders: Wrong! [View all] Playinghardball Apr 2015 OP

Wow. postulater Apr 2015 #1

Not just jobs but TAX REVENUE. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #22

It's also because China will to build fast trains.... daleanime Apr 2015 #45

Yeah - reasons like.... Plucketeer Apr 2015 #51

Definitely one of the reasons... daleanime Apr 2015 #52

You can't have guns and butter and not raise taxes, so we borrow to fund wars. merrily Apr 2015 #69

So many reasons why "we can't have nice things." merrily Apr 2015 #61

This is supposed to be decision week for Bernie, right? BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #2

Meh. There's wiggle room. merrily Apr 2015 #65

Sounds like he's (pretty much) sticking to the schedule BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #67

Thank you very much! merrily Apr 2015 #68

I guess there must be a Third Way to interpret the word "compete". nt Zorra Apr 2015 #3

+1000. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #23

It's "Would you like fries with that?" merrily Apr 2015 #70

Your country needs you, Senator. hifiguy Apr 2015 #4

Our country needs at least 99 more like him Scootaloo Apr 2015 #34

534 just like him - Teabag heads explode and Nirvana is attained Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #57

536 mas or menos, si, podemos! merrily Apr 2015 #62

Are we selling more to China regardless if they are selling more to us? aikoaiko Apr 2015 #5

Of course we are selling more to China, Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #8

Stop it with the facts, damn it! erronis Apr 2015 #18

Yep, that deficit column is ominous. nt Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #19

Isnt that two different things, is my point. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #29

That would have been a devious promise Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #43

I'm glad you could explain it. I was at a loss for words. merrily Apr 2015 #71

Good grief. merrily Apr 2015 #66

Wow, it jumps up (or, rather, down) like crazy after 2001! arcane1 Apr 2015 #31

We sell very little to China, in way of goods Scootaloo Apr 2015 #37

We are being treated like a colony. We revolted from Great Britain because they wanted rhett o rick Apr 2015 #54

I heard on Charlie Rose--didn't verify--one new millionaire in China EVERY WEEK. merrily Apr 2015 #63

And because that was wrong, we have to do this TPP to offset China's influence in the region tularetom Apr 2015 #6

Exactly, one bad deal leads to another, works perfectly for those who benefit. TPP=NAFTA Part 2. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #10

TPP = SHAFTA aggiesal Apr 2015 #36

Yep Thom got that one exactly, hear him say it fairly often. A classic! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #38

Maybe Obama is just following Vortigern's lead. Maedhros Apr 2015 #7

Excellent historical Parallel! n/t gregcrawford Apr 2015 #9

Interesting historical citation but have questions? gordianot Apr 2015 #11

Here is a good start: Maedhros Apr 2015 #30

Yes I have seen that the more I research the more confusing. gordianot Apr 2015 #41

That's the big red flag, IMHO. Maedhros Apr 2015 #42

And maybe this has no relevance. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #17

Yes!!!! JDPriestly Apr 2015 #24

Hengist and Horsa? You sure it wasn't Hans and Franz? merrily Apr 2015 #64

The claimed rationale behind the TPP is that it is needed to compete with the Chinese. Maedhros Apr 2015 #76

Thank you. merrily Apr 2015 #77

Look up in the sky- It's a bird! It's a plane! nope it's nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #12

And under the bus goes Bill Clinton. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #16

Bubba drove the NAFTA bus nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #20

Oh NOES! Is this where I apologize for campaigning for Obama? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #26

The reasons given for the TPP remind me of a nursery rhyme. zeemike Apr 2015 #13

Kicked Enthusiast Apr 2015 #14

When and where and under what circumstances did Sanders say that? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #15

Sanders should also give links and context when called for to support a bold conclusion. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #25

WTF is that supposed to mean? That Sanders really did not say it? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #27

K & R L0oniX Apr 2015 #21

Until shown otherwise, Sen. Sanders is correct. chknltl Apr 2015 #28

The irony is delicious. We condemned China for being communist. Now we condemn China for Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #32

+1 yup. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #33

China is still governed by the Communist Party. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #75

N/T needed AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #35

K and R bigwillq Apr 2015 #39

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #40

OP, poor thread title. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #44

How did Bill get it sooo wrong?! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #46

So, how do they get away with it... PosterChild Apr 2015 #47

Bill Clinton, nor Barack Obama are Social Democrats .. they're Corporate Demorcats. YOHABLO Apr 2015 #48

I think jeb bush was quoted a week back claiming obama was the most liberal prez EVAR redruddyred Apr 2015 #53

We need you, Bernie! Run! mother earth Apr 2015 #49

Selling our food is selling our future. SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2015 #50

Good info. thanks... I remember the notion that the jobs that were being shipped out of this midnight Apr 2015 #55

But the trade deficit is not a measure of the quantity or quality of opportunities. greyl Apr 2015 #56

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #58

Any idea if Sec. Clinton has a comment on this? Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #59

Did we ever find out when and where Sanders said this? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #60

Well, there's this from his twitter feed progree Apr 2015 #73

Thanks. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #74

and ... whoomp!! There it is. Hiraeth Apr 2015 #72