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951-Riverside

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50. We're stuck in a rock and a hard place at this point

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:39 PM

Apr 2015

If we don't hold these cops accountable soon then looting will turn into something way more sinister.

I'll give you a scenario, someone is going to say "Hey! Why are we looting our own neighborhoods and businesses? Lets go into the more affluent neighborhoods and do it" and then the people living in those neighborhoods are going to say "Hey! Grab the guns and call the Oathkeepers, its war!" and then everything everybody ever worked and died for since the civil rights era is over.

All of this could be avoided if police officers who brutally beat or kill unarmed people are held accountable. If this happened then there will be no riots, no looting and we would avoid a really nasty race war that would completely devastate Black communities and make the Hamburg massacre and the Tulsa race riot look like childs play.

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Here come the usual looting and rioting doesn't solve anything comments. [View all] trumad Apr 2015 OP

sorry, I oppose violence cali Apr 2015 #1

You're talking about the cops, right? trumad Apr 2015 #2

no cali Apr 2015 #7

Sure sounds like the cops... trumad Apr 2015 #14

how is this difficult to understand cali Apr 2015 #26

I abhor violence but I understand explosions after people have endured years of oppression. Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #41

LIke I have said and will keep saying, reverse the roles, all of it, past 200 yrs NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #77

Sure enough XemaSab Apr 2015 #195

I don't understand.... Stellar Apr 2015 #215

My point is that the poster I was responding to XemaSab Apr 2015 #217

Got'cha! Stellar Apr 2015 #218

Um... what do you think happened to Reginald Denny? XemaSab Apr 2015 #219

It's good that he and Rodney King didn't get killed. Stellar Apr 2015 #220

Define "lynching" XemaSab Apr 2015 #221

I forgot to add my pic of a lynching in the previous post. Stellar Apr 2015 #222

So it only involves hanging? XemaSab Apr 2015 #223

I looked it up and it says.... Stellar Apr 2015 #226

Should the President borrow the National Guard from the Governor? kentuck Apr 2015 #3

honestly, I don't know cali Apr 2015 #12

Let's face it, the state is better at war on its citizens than the citizens are at war on the state. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #42

I do, too. And I know that this is about the vandalism of a CVS store. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #22

Out of work -- but not just for a while RVN VET Apr 2015 #86

Thank you, RVN VET. It's easy for people from the comfort of hundreds of miles away on a laptop.... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #89

Because that's made any difference? marym625 Apr 2015 #96

That community, I believe, sorely needs an organizational body... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #106

like in Ferguson? marym625 Apr 2015 #110

How will this round of violence help? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #177

I do marym625 Apr 2015 #180

Thank you. I'm thinking that solutions lay with coalitions. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #181

amen to that! marym625 Apr 2015 #183

Thank you. I was just 840high Apr 2015 #108

And I dont think the Nat Guard was needed in NY for the Eric Garner protests 7962 Apr 2015 #165

NYC isn't Baltimore Depaysement Apr 2015 #182

Liberals value human rights... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #92

As do I. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #104

Had the police not killed another unarmed black youth, MineralMan Apr 2015 #107

This is what conservative and/or scared white people want to hear. ananda Apr 2015 #4

+100 freshwest Apr 2015 #61

Plus 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 + one more NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #82

Thread win blackspade Apr 2015 #130

Well said. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #133

Talk all you want... Oktober Apr 2015 #134

They just dont get it, do they? Sometimes reality doesnt follow the narrative. 7962 Apr 2015 #166

You think there's only that one 'message'? lovemydog Apr 2015 #224

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2015 #135

Spot on Ananda madokie Apr 2015 #163

We are not a war or fighting for independence LynnTTT Apr 2015 #5

Fighting for independence? trumad Apr 2015 #9

While I am not a fan of violence of any kind ... etherealtruth Apr 2015 #27

That is so true. Chemisse Apr 2015 #91

You are as mad at police violence as anybody else? I know I am not, as a white male. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #84

+1,000 nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #159

yeah, urban riots have an awesome record of improving community life nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #6

I don't see how being hunted down and killed by the police is a better alternative. n/t 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #8

hyperbole and straw argument, nice combo nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #13

THERE MUST BE ORDER! ORDER AT ALL COSTS!!! Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #85

Word! trumad Apr 2015 #10

Well what does then? trumad Apr 2015 #20

what else was tried in Baltimore? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #24

What else was tried in America? Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #53

These issues are frequently local government issues Trekologer Apr 2015 #187

Yep, local governments matter a great deal, and are often ignored. I've even seen some here dismiss Chathamization Apr 2015 #197

many people around the world have had it with the status quo chalmers Apr 2015 #67

A violent confrontation between Tibetans and the Chinese army would be rather geek tragedy Apr 2015 #69

So would a violent confrontation between the omnipotent British Empire of the late 18th-century... Chan790 Apr 2015 #200

If you think really hard, I'm sure you will be able to come up with at least geek tragedy Apr 2015 #201

Not sure human decency or respect for civilian life are "major logistical challenges" strictly? n/t Chan790 Apr 2015 #202

You weren't a geography major, were you? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #204

No. Chan790 Apr 2015 #210

a lot easier than marching an army across the ocean nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #211

Ghandi was violent? LOL KittyWampus Apr 2015 #203

Two points? Chan790 Apr 2015 #209

Because Freddie Gray is an isolated incident. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #158

Now the CVS workers are without 840high Apr 2015 #112

more so than bowing to authority and accepting police brutality.... blackspade Apr 2015 #137

Because those are the only two options? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #140

I have a hard time equating a smiling person running out of a store with a trash bag full of stolen cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #11

That simple for you eh? trumad Apr 2015 #16

You can put me on record right here and now as believing Mr. Gray was murdered. ON PURPOSE. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #25

Really? You think they were stone-faced-sober while they soaked the tea? I bet they were jubilant. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #49

You win. I didn't notice the jubilation in the painting. They were having a blast. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #57

crowd was happy because tea dumpers dressed as Indians so Indians would be blamed & killed Sunlei Apr 2015 #111

Yeah, there is more than one school of thought on that. I've read it was symbolism; as the Mohawk cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #118

provocateurs in costumes. seen that since then too. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #145

come on, looting the 7-11 shows the NM_Birder Apr 2015 #23

Where's a WalMart when ya need it Politicalboi Apr 2015 #37

better selection than 7-11 too. NM_Birder Apr 2015 #38

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #186

What's stopping you ? NM_Birder Apr 2015 #214

odds are there is one within an hour of you...if your lucky snooper2 Apr 2015 #225

Thanks goodness the 7-11 owner's spine wasn't partially severed. That would be bad. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #206

clever........ NM_Birder Apr 2015 #213

We don't always agree but 100% with you on this one. It is pure stealing. That is all. nt Logical Apr 2015 #76

And somehow it's being justified by posting paintings of the Boston Tea Party. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #90

I agree, he was murdered. But people looting make everyone forget about him. His family is... Logical Apr 2015 #94

I've been going back and forth between CNN, MSNBC, and even my local news here in L.A. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #98

Wow, that is terrible. When protests turn to riots people forget the protests. nt Logical Apr 2015 #100

Imagine how that and setting 840high Apr 2015 #114

When you care more about dead black people than a CVS jeff47 Apr 2015 #142

Don't presume to know what 840high Apr 2015 #170

Unrest brings about change, sometimes not in a good way but change nonetheless. Rex Apr 2015 #15

Yep--- trumad Apr 2015 #18

Agree Rex... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #97

It will bring change all right. NobodyHere Apr 2015 #99

My guess is NOLALady Apr 2015 #162

But trumad the protesters aren't dressed right for the occasion... tenderfoot Apr 2015 #17

You just discovered the greatest political slogan ever created. NM_Birder Apr 2015 #19

I lived through the unrest in the 60's and people are upaloopa Apr 2015 #21

OMFG!!! VScott Apr 2015 #28

I take it the mobs haven't made it to your home or place of business as of this writing. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #29

I find most with his/her attitude delete_bush Apr 2015 #70

Mixed in with a dash of, "Let's you and him fight." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #75

If we had a foreign enemy to fight, sure LittleBlue Apr 2015 #30

creative destruction? mopinko Apr 2015 #31

If you take a look back in the history of this country you might notice that it's the ONLY The_Casual_Observer Apr 2015 #32

The Rodney King riots didn't solve police brutality borondongo Apr 2015 #60

Try googling stonewall riots. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #144

Then let's take out the police dept Politicalboi Apr 2015 #33

Since surrounding the BLM and Las Vegas Police then pointing guns at them worked for the Bundy's... 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #34

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #35

They never had any support from white suburbia n/t 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #36

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #40

As this is a systemic problem, do you feel the entire country should riot and loot? bluesbassman Apr 2015 #39

We're stuck in a rock and a hard place at this point 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #50

So looting and rioting as a form of activism is ok as long as we contain it to the hood? bluesbassman Apr 2015 #72

...^ that 840high Apr 2015 #116

Addressed how then? blackspade Apr 2015 #154

What exactly is your goal? The Boston Tea Party had a goal davidn3600 Apr 2015 #43

I forgot that the American Revolution... tonedevil Apr 2015 #113

The Loyalists in the new US lost everything. Ilsa Apr 2015 #120

And here come the threads romanic Apr 2015 #44

Maybe tell that to the people of Detroit. former9thward Apr 2015 #46

Also tell that to the people of Los Angeles. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #51

LA did but Watts didn't. former9thward Apr 2015 #59

I made this point once romanic Apr 2015 #66

Well, yeah. JoeyT Apr 2015 #47

Kids looking for free stuff realFedUp Apr 2015 #48

your post disgusts me. it's one thing to understand the pain cali Apr 2015 #51

You being disgusted is what is intended. upaloopa Apr 2015 #54

You are very wrong. I've 840high Apr 2015 #117

Yep. I feel disgust for the police who caused this when the severed Freddie's spine and did nothing Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #141

Seems unlike you I can 840high Apr 2015 #169

I think you, along with many other folks, are suddenly paying attention to Baltimore because Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #171

You are wrong. Good night. 840high Apr 2015 #175

+1000 CAG Apr 2015 #192

Patience Ms. Yertle Apr 2015 #207

your post digests me trumad Apr 2015 #62

I hope there is no one trapped inside the CVS burning down right now. Bonx Apr 2015 #55

Especially since the "protesters" delete_bush Apr 2015 #81

Are you implying the British solved the problem at hand? borondongo Apr 2015 #56

Spot on, Trumad. 99Forever Apr 2015 #58

Rioting is the voice of the unheard.. trumad Apr 2015 #64

Looting is to steal shit. Pure and simple. nt Logical Apr 2015 #74

I hope parents of these kids.... realFedUp Apr 2015 #63

Ya like the continued violation of their civil rights doesnt. trumad Apr 2015 #65

Individual rights and justice realFedUp Apr 2015 #102

Except for the people who committed murder. jeff47 Apr 2015 #148

"This stuff lives with the kid for the rest of their lives." NOLALady Apr 2015 #167

burn, baby, burn. KG Apr 2015 #68

So how is setting a CVS on fire helpful? Lobo27 Apr 2015 #71

Bullshit. When protests and looting happen, people remember the looting. nt Logical Apr 2015 #73

Turned over to Faux kimbutgar Apr 2015 #78

Can't they rope off the streets and call a curfew? realFedUp Apr 2015 #79

all violence does is to kill more innocent people beachbum bob Apr 2015 #80

Nothing like looting and burning down buildings to solve social injustice. Lil Missy Apr 2015 #83

Yeah, stealing a TV is what is inexcusable. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #88

Now the lazy and skittish rioters VScott Apr 2015 #103

You like thieves? I don't. 840high Apr 2015 #119

dislike thieves. Hate cops who kill innocents. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #138

Oh lord...will we survive the people who look at 200 yrs of violence towards a people and all NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #168

Silly post. If that was your 840high Apr 2015 #172

Yep, some folks are so insulated, privileged, they are clueless NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #173

So, that's why they burned down the CVS!! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #160

More riot pictures: ret5hd Apr 2015 #87

Looks like we were thinking the same thing marym625 Apr 2015 #93

This is the expected result. Maedhros Apr 2015 #95

Good thread Trumad, AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #101

Right. Because it *totally* does solve stuff. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #105

where will the dead black people get bandaids for Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #146

For me it is very difficult to make the distinction. I am glad that the Revolution happened. But I jwirr Apr 2015 #109

Looting is stupid. cwydro Apr 2015 #115

Killing unarmed black people is stupid Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #122

Agreed. However. cwydro Apr 2015 #125

And what do the white leaders of Baltimore have to say about this? nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #129

I have no idea. cwydro Apr 2015 #139

Perhaps people like the mayor of Baltimore are simply politicians who happened to be black Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #149

I said the black leaders of Baltimore cwydro Apr 2015 #161

Bravo Kilgore Apr 2015 #216

The black mayor spoke against it. 840high Apr 2015 #189

And... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #193

Go find out. 840high Apr 2015 #194

I noticed that most of the cops who kill unarmed black people are white. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #196

+1 bravenak Apr 2015 #198

Carry that shit to the hoods of the people that support the and take comfort in the blue gang's shit TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #121

Riots are the inevitable result of ignoring social structural problems. blackspade Apr 2015 #123

Perception can be misleading og1 Apr 2015 #124

peaceful protest. get the criminals out. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #126

How effective is the Baltimore Mayor. realFedUp Apr 2015 #127

Won't solve anything, but it sure will... PosterChild Apr 2015 #128

Jobs for the young? realFedUp Apr 2015 #131

Yes, how dare they care less about their jobs than being killed by the police! (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #150

Fuc king up shit of those who are not involved is justified? liberal N proud Apr 2015 #132

...^ that 840high Apr 2015 #190

GOOD JOBS - GOOD EDUCATION - CHANGE SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2015 #136

The mayor just called them "Thugs", feel stupid yet? nt Logical Apr 2015 #143

Proving, once and for all, namecalling never works!! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #151

They are not protesters. They are the opposite of protesters. And the media now is covering them.... Logical Apr 2015 #157

But what if "fucking things up" doesn't bring about the result we all want . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #147

I think you are right Egnever Apr 2015 #184

Apparently NobodyHere Apr 2015 #152

THAT is just stupid. RandySF Apr 2015 #153

The police are the problem, the police are the problem.. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #155

Press Conference For Freddie Apr 2015 #156

The only thing wrong with these riots is MyNameGoesHere Apr 2015 #164

Perhaps the stores should send their reps tavernier Apr 2015 #174

No... you see, the Boston Tea Party was a tax revolt by mostly well-to-do people.` enki23 Apr 2015 #176

thank you for this post and perspective dembotoz Apr 2015 #178

http://www.civilrights.org/archives/2009/06/449-stonewall.html AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #179

I think the several people here who have cited the 'stonewall riots' may be the ones PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #205

Ah yes, I always wanted to be lectured by sanctimonious pricks. backscatter712 Apr 2015 #185

They do ignore you trumad Apr 2015 #188

You don't destroy where you live. It's 840high Apr 2015 #191

Care to share the steps YOU'VE taken? brooklynite Apr 2015 #199

I think it takes a special kind of 1st world cocoon of privilege, video games and fast food LanternWaste Apr 2015 #208

World of difference between the Boston Tea Party Mike Daniels Apr 2015 #212