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Kali

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192. wrong

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:42 PM

Apr 2015

free range means free range - no grain, little supplemental feed at all. confined feeding is 100% crops. water consumption for crops is the major usage, all cattle drink about the same - the main variability is weather/temperature not EXERCISE.

raising (and eating) beef can be an extremely sustainable and environmentally ENHANCING process. I am not saying it all is by any means, but cattle natually consume lower on the food chain than other meats and can convert undigestible-by-humans plant matter from land that is NOT arable or productive for food in any other way. Managed correctly they can enhance biodiversity, nutrient cycles, ground cover, mitigate erosion, help sequester C02, AND provide delicious high quality nutritious protein (and other useful products).

your simplistic and extremist approach is not based in reality.

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PETA slams Al Gore for �hypocrisy and sheer laziness� for not limiting Live Earth festival food to v [View all] DonViejo Apr 2015 OP

Oh sure. So what are the other guests supposed to eat? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #1

Because meat production is incredibly damaging to the environment JaneyVee Apr 2015 #5

Does not have anything to do with banning it yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #9

But its an environmental concert, besides... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #28

I think most attendees are glad to have a variety of foods yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #45

And now, due to the inventiveness of chefs/cooks, there is a huge variety of vegan cuisines- KittyWampus Apr 2015 #58

I'm sitting in a great vegetarian restaurant right now! Later: Venison burgers! Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #85

So why not have both Travis_0004 Apr 2015 #202

And those of us that can't eat dbackjon Apr 2015 #92

+1000 blackspade Apr 2015 #130

Tofu is much more environmentally friendly than meat. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #150

But it is a matter of degrees dbackjon Apr 2015 #153

And the magnitude of harm from meat is much greater. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #160

Almost all of the soy grown on earth chernabog Apr 2015 #162

Which brings up the argument... Adrahil Apr 2015 #188

I make spicy vegan sausage that my friends don't know is vegan until I tell them. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #57

That is your view still_one Apr 2015 #32

That is scientific consensus. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #44

Normally at these things the food is already made yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #46

Are you being serious? chernabog Apr 2015 #76

I Doubt they are making it themselves yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #79

Someone had to make it! chernabog Apr 2015 #82

Which is great so instead of going to waste they will now be eaten. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #100

I'm sorry that you are missing the point. chernabog Apr 2015 #101

I am sorry but we will just have to Agee to disagree yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #105

Take Away meat? chernabog Apr 2015 #107

I won't. It hasn't arrived yet though. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #109

Does that include all the fixings? evirus Apr 2015 #62

sweet, water is good for you! snooper2 Apr 2015 #66

lets do the math on your science NM_Birder Apr 2015 #120

It's not just the water the cow drinks chernabog Apr 2015 #124

LOL, are you serious ? NM_Birder Apr 2015 #132

Free range cows use much more water chernabog Apr 2015 #135

So I win...... and my victory is all the meat I can eat. NM_Birder Apr 2015 #137

No chernabog Apr 2015 #138

I'll let it go,... just a funnin witch ya NM_Birder Apr 2015 #140

say what? that makes no sense whatsoever. Kali Apr 2015 #189

Here's why chernabog Apr 2015 #191

wrong Kali Apr 2015 #192

My position has always been anti cruelty chernabog Apr 2015 #194

yet you throw out wild claims that are jsut factually wrong Kali Apr 2015 #200

Wow. You really think that figure represents *only* the amount of water a cow drinks? Sheldon Cooper Apr 2015 #129

600 galons its a wild ass guess used by a few, to support NM_Birder Apr 2015 #136

It takes over 600 gallons of water to yield 123 walnuts. pnwmom Apr 2015 #126

I would rather die, than live in a world NM_Birder Apr 2015 #139

Omnivores can eat vegan food. bananas Apr 2015 #10

Al Gore is having Vegan at the festival yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #11

PETA is right on this. nt bananas Apr 2015 #17

Sure, just like they were right when they were kissing the shitbag Arpaio's ass Major Nikon Apr 2015 #26

No they are not. still_one Apr 2015 #33

Are too! bananas Apr 2015 #35

My Dad is tougher than your Dad still_one Apr 2015 #43

Is too! Dorian Gray Apr 2015 #56

You win. LOL still_one Apr 2015 #63

Oh no way. You don't eliminate a whole segment of society. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #42

Newsflash chernabog Apr 2015 #71

But why should they? Hamburger won't hurt vegans either. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #78

It will cause heart disease chernabog Apr 2015 #81

Vegan advocacy--you're doing it wrong. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #91

I may understand that in this country we allow Americans to yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #99

So in your eyes chernabog Apr 2015 #103

When you are ready to debate I'll be waiting yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #106

It's very easy to choose not to consume animal products chernabog Apr 2015 #108

Have a good day lunch arrived. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #110

"Hamburger won't hurt vegans either." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #141

Now that is fucking hilarious. yewberry Apr 2015 #195

Newsflash GGJohn Apr 2015 #216

Oh my goodness, WHY are you posting when you don't even know what "vegan" is? CreekDog Apr 2015 #148

If you want to discriminate I can't stop you. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #185

I'm not arguing that the menu needs to be vegan CreekDog Apr 2015 #203

I also don't care if they serve vegan but don't exclude a majority yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #206

PETA is right, but they're making the point in an alienating way. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #201

Not every omnivore can. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #21

It's a day festival. What is it, one meal? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #29

So if you come over to my house dbackjon Apr 2015 #95

No. You would obviously be an ignorant. insensitive asshat. alphafemale Apr 2015 #144

:) dbackjon Apr 2015 #152

My daughter got the opportunity to spend a college semester with a Maasai tribe alphafemale Apr 2015 #157

"supportive of a diet that makes you feel superior to others. " deek Apr 2015 #208

the posters in this thread. alphafemale Apr 2015 #210

Nobody requires meat. nt bananas Apr 2015 #31

who are you to decide what people should or should NOT eat? still_one Apr 2015 #34

If it's harming animals chernabog Apr 2015 #77

You harm animals with any type of mass-produced food. dbackjon Apr 2015 #154

I'm vegan. I know the benefits of a vegan diet. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #37

No human being requires meat & dairy at a FESTIVAL. Not one. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #59

No human being requires a FESTIVAL. Not one. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #68

No ones diet requires meat chernabog Apr 2015 #72

When it's winter and you can't afford foods fortified with vitamin D NuclearDem Apr 2015 #80

Doesnt meat cost more? chernabog Apr 2015 #84

No, it doesn't. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #86

Are you trying to tell me chernabog Apr 2015 #88

Who the hell said I'm buying meat? NuclearDem Apr 2015 #90

Whoever tells you they need meat to get vitamin D chernabog Apr 2015 #93

I see you take after the PETA School of Vegan Advocacy. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #94

that is the most honest vegan argument I've ever heard. NM_Birder Apr 2015 #96

Nooch does hit the spot chernabog Apr 2015 #98

LOL, ...... there is your problem NM_Birder Apr 2015 #102

So you've never had it chernabog Apr 2015 #104

I tried to BBQ NOOCH once NM_Birder Apr 2015 #112

Killing isn't Humane chernabog Apr 2015 #114

People who are gluten intolerant can't eat it betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #117

For the 1% that are gluten intolerant chernabog Apr 2015 #118

They will just fall thru the grill too. NM_Birder Apr 2015 #127

all gassy foods that people with stomach issues may have problems with. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #131

At least 1% have the specific condition called Celiac disease. Many more are gluten intolerant or sensitive. pnwmom Apr 2015 #134

killing is more humane that trying to eat it alive, christ that's barbaric. NM_Birder Apr 2015 #122

Do you season the flesh before you eat it? chernabog Apr 2015 #123

you do know that industrial farming dbackjon Apr 2015 #156

Yes I do know chernabog Apr 2015 #161

We need both dbackjon Apr 2015 #164

We do not need animal products chernabog Apr 2015 #165

In your opinion dbackjon Apr 2015 #166

You can get everything you need from plants. chernabog Apr 2015 #168

Good for you dbackjon Apr 2015 #170

Why don't you want to minimize animal cruelty? chernabog Apr 2015 #172

Yeoman's first post shows he doesnt know what "vegan" even means CreekDog Apr 2015 #145

Oh my goodness, it's pretty clear you don't even know what vegan food is CreekDog Apr 2015 #143

That's fine I can take criticism no big deal yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #184

And if they went along with non-vegan LiberalElite Apr 2015 #2

PETA isn't 'allowing' jack shit... It isn't their fest... Oktober Apr 2015 #22

exactly. still_one Apr 2015 #36

PETA shoots ... and misses. Again. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #3

PETA is a group of total assholes. Archae Apr 2015 #4

Here is a PETA video Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #12

And here's a typical PETA ad. Archae Apr 2015 #14

You have a point Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #15

They steal pets and kill them. Not sure how good that is Major Nikon Apr 2015 #18

You have a point x 2 Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #23

They are not focused on adoption. They focus on cruelty prevention CrawlingChaos Apr 2015 #25

They were stealing healthy pets from people and killing them Major Nikon Apr 2015 #40

Do you understand the meaning of ad hominem? CrawlingChaos Apr 2015 #47

Actually that's exactly what it is Major Nikon Apr 2015 #49

WRONG CrawlingChaos Apr 2015 #51

You've GOT to be shitting me! Major Nikon Apr 2015 #65

You are making absolutely no sense whatsoever CrawlingChaos Apr 2015 #155

You stole my line! Major Nikon Apr 2015 #159

Why do you think this document is significant of anything? CrawlingChaos Apr 2015 #211

What? No more ad hominem? Major Nikon Apr 2015 #212

PETA are a bunch of fucking grifters...look at their annual budget snooper2 Apr 2015 #67

If it were only that, I wouldn't mind Major Nikon Apr 2015 #69

Gretchen Newkirk calls keeping pets 'slavery'. X_Digger Apr 2015 #207

Humans evolved as omnivores, they developed a belief system to become Vegans. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #6

Exactly. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #13

They are still omnivores Major Nikon Apr 2015 #20

This. hifiguy Apr 2015 #24

I think it was the green Lamborghini seveneyes Apr 2015 #7

Fuck Peta pintobean Apr 2015 #8

PETA ain't vegan...they eat their own. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #16

Fuck PETA ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #19

PETA once again proves they're clueless. jeff47 Apr 2015 #27

I am a vegetarian, however, humans are omnivoires, and a vegetarian or vegan diet are not for still_one Apr 2015 #30

There's another round of live earth concerts? NobodyHere Apr 2015 #38

Yes, in June, about the same time GoreSat reaches SEL1 bananas Apr 2015 #41

That kind of intolerance Dirty Socialist Apr 2015 #39

A long, long time ago I joined PETA,but sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #48

I have no respect for PETA Hekate Apr 2015 #50

Yet another "activist" group gone nuts, and why they get affiliated with "the left" is beyond me. nt Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #52

Gore should just spend the rest of his days under an umbrella on a gorgeous beach somewhere. merrily Apr 2015 #53

PETA is the kardashians of activism. pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #54

I consider such demands to be no different than the ones made by righwiingers beachbum bob Apr 2015 #55

You don't understand chernabog Apr 2015 #73

According to peta, not acording the real environmentalists. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #113

PETA isn't the only group chernabog Apr 2015 #116

all are vegan orgs or newspaper opeds, not environmental orgs. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #119

How about the UN? chernabog Apr 2015 #121

That is against feed lotted beef dairy specifically not all meat. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #128

You don't understand that those of us that are meat eaters don't care what you say? eom. GGJohn Apr 2015 #217

Congrats chernabog Apr 2015 #220

I'm very good at not caring what you think about us meat eaters. eom. GGJohn Apr 2015 #221

Not a fan of PETA, but they are right on the hypocrisy. Wonderful opportunity was missed. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #60

The Festival is offering Vegan food dbackjon Apr 2015 #97

Extremism Is Unattractive ProfessorGAC Apr 2015 #61

How is it extreme chernabog Apr 2015 #75

Nobody said that. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #83

Shouldn't they also ban electricity? GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #64

Would PETA be ok if they served the cats and dogs PETA killed joeybee12 Apr 2015 #70

Al gets to live in massive mansions, fly private planes, and shill for big business. Romulox Apr 2015 #74

PETA and Al probably hit up the same Hollywood celebs. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #87

+1 MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #133

The "Democrat" primaries, eh? Ron Obvious Apr 2015 #149

Yes, I've been outed as a Yankee MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #151

Damn Al for trying. lpbk2713 Apr 2015 #89

The Meat Industry and Climate Change AJH032 Apr 2015 #111

Pork and chicken are still meat. n/t betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #115

PETA has jumped the shark. blackspade Apr 2015 #125

Won't somebody think of the sharks?!?! Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #142

I heard they served shark meat at this festival. bigwillq Apr 2015 #146

LOL! blackspade Apr 2015 #174

Guard your plates! The Talivegans are coming! alphafemale Apr 2015 #147

Talivegans? chernabog Apr 2015 #163

You are not going to dictate what I eat. alphafemale Apr 2015 #167

Of course your diet trumps the environment chernabog Apr 2015 #169

Put meat eaters in concentration camps and kill us then alphafemale Apr 2015 #173

What the hell are you talking about? chernabog Apr 2015 #175

Yeah? GGJohn Apr 2015 #218

Animal cruelty? Do you know what animals do to each other? When it comes to eating Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #176

I'm talking About what humans do to animals chernabog Apr 2015 #177

You're moving the goalposts. You explicitly made a comment about animal cruelty. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #179

I never moved any goalposts chernabog Apr 2015 #180

"Any vegan realizes what happens in nature. You're just being ridiculous." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #181

Because humans have the concept of morality chernabog Apr 2015 #182

Humans also have the concept of God. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #183

Do you think humans should be cruel to animals? chernabog Apr 2015 #186

I think humans are capable of harvesting animals without being cruel. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #187

Harvest animals? chernabog Apr 2015 #190

You keep dodging. You want me to buy into your morality but your morality seems Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #193

You are inflicting pain and killing animals chernabog Apr 2015 #196

"Morality comes from wherever." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #198

Why kill and exploit when you don't have to? chernabog Apr 2015 #199

Then suddenly it's a matter of personal convenience. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #204

Doesn't food feed the world? chernabog Apr 2015 #213

The food systems we see today are the products of hundreds of thousands of years of humans Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #214

Disagree AJH032 Apr 2015 #178

Also, I'm pretty sure I saw Al Gore wearing leather shoes. Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #158

PETA imbeciles do a lot more harm than good tabasco Apr 2015 #171

Oh noes, the poor meat-eaters might be forced to eat french fries at a festival!! yewberry Apr 2015 #197

+1 deek Apr 2015 #209

Except the OP is about poor PETA's conniption about people being allowed to eat meat Major Nikon Apr 2015 #215

Fuck PETA. n/t X_Digger Apr 2015 #205

Good. Quantess Apr 2015 #219