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Scootaloo

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52. No, it's not an "either / or" situation

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 04:26 AM

Apr 2015

It's the simple fact that a great many of the people yelling the loudest about rioters and looters, have said absolutely nothing about hte murder of Freddie gray up until this very point. NOTHING. and for a good number of them, it's repeat behavior, not a word about police violence killing a young black man (or, on occasion, an effort to justify that violence) until they can shit all over an entire community because of some hooligans.

I can't see into people's souls, so I can only guess about this sort of thing. But i like to think I'm a pretty good guesser.

Property is not more valuable than lives. But you'd never know that, from some people.

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Regarding Baltimore: Black people have the moral authority to call for nonviolence-whites don't. [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2015 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Apr 2015 #1

you're right. linuxman Apr 2015 #2

Wasn't saying you should do that either. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #3

bwahahahahaha! linuxman Apr 2015 #4

We have an obligation to first fight the things that led to what's happening tonight. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #6

you're right. linuxman Apr 2015 #8

You are unable to understand, so I repeat Mr. Burch: delrem Apr 2015 #13

you can ignore what he wrote if you choose. I'm white, therefore there is no positive intent in my linuxman Apr 2015 #16

Again, you're projecting your own thoughts, not those of Ken Burch. delrem Apr 2015 #21

You may however, continue criticizing the symptoms rather than the cause. Which is also brilliant.. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #118

So if some of the rioters, say, start murdering people AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #20

The police are more likely to murder people. bravenak Apr 2015 #26

The OP isn't about police AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #27

So what? It's not about murder either, but you brought that up for no reason. bravenak Apr 2015 #29

They've got their metaphorical pitchforks out, bravenak, delrem Apr 2015 #32

And for the people to shut up about the police violence. bravenak Apr 2015 #33

Who is 'they' AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #39

I brought it up AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #36

Oh, so only you can bring up irrelevant shit? Nice to know. bravenak Apr 2015 #38

The OP is still racist poo AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #42

Maybe it's you not the op. bravenak Apr 2015 #43

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #59

There have been 68 homicides in Baltimore so far this year & 211 last year FSogol Apr 2015 #97

The police are more likely than the rioters. bravenak Apr 2015 #98

Fair enough. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #106

insane hypothetical that won't happen-didn't even happen in Ferguson. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #54

If that's demagogic you should read the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #102

If and when that happens, let's discuss it. merrily Apr 2015 #66

What if they start raping white women? Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #108

You are most certainly NOT echoing Mr. Burch. delrem Apr 2015 #5

Thanks. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #7

That's ridiculous Lil Missy Apr 2015 #9

Is it your neighbourhood? delrem Apr 2015 #10

How about voting for Democratic politicians which happened in Baltimore yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #127

nope, no authority to. linuxman Apr 2015 #11

And you certainly do want to tell "those people" what shits they are! nt delrem Apr 2015 #12

is "those people" linuxman Apr 2015 #14

"these people" is entirely your locution, linuxman. nt delrem Apr 2015 #22

And we both know exactly who he means by that. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #49

Depends. Were you referring to African Americans or to rioters? merrily Apr 2015 #77

Oh, please - burning down and looting businesses that have jack shit to do w/ the issue Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2015 #15

The need is to fight the systemic violence that provokes these acts. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #46

So in other words, you're going to make up words to insult people who disagree mythology Apr 2015 #125

Well it also accomplishes creating increased unemployment in the area which increases the poverty cstanleytech Apr 2015 #47

I sort of agree. Bonobo Apr 2015 #17

If nothing else, white people can't sanctimoniously demand nonviolence from people of color Ken Burch Apr 2015 #48

Patently absurd premise. bluesbassman Apr 2015 #18

The way to fight that violence is to fight the larger violence that provoked it. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #41

... and the people in the system... immoderate Apr 2015 #128

Once someone throws a brick through a window AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #19

The OP does not condone violence. delrem Apr 2015 #23

Sure it does AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #24

The OP doesn't say that. delrem Apr 2015 #30

The OP is poo AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #34

You can check your privileges romanic Apr 2015 #25

I'm with you on the volunteering part. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #35

The moral compass must be directed at ourselves and those in power. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #40

And then what? romanic Apr 2015 #51

Not guilt-responsibility. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #55

Blah blah blah romanic Apr 2015 #57

Why stay if you hate it so much here? bravenak Apr 2015 #61

WTF are you talking to? romanic Apr 2015 #78

I'm talking to you. bravenak Apr 2015 #79

I don't hate it here. romanic Apr 2015 #88

Seems like it. bravenak Apr 2015 #89

Well I don't romanic Apr 2015 #92

Still seems like it. Get to steppin'? bravenak Apr 2015 #93

They sure do like to show themselves, don't they? delrem Apr 2015 #119

Yep. I noticed this one as soon as it showed up. bravenak Apr 2015 #123

yep. no-accounts. delrem Apr 2015 #124

The OP was a call to act...it wasn't just words for words' sake. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #69

Given that so many of these people were utterly silent about violence by the police? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #28

Good observation. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #37

Caring about black neighborhoods romanic Apr 2015 #44

When voiced by people who expressed no care about black LIVES? yes. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #45

I've seen plenty romanic Apr 2015 #50

No, it's not an "either / or" situation Scootaloo Apr 2015 #52

Who the hell said romanic Apr 2015 #56

But when that's the ONLY THING THEY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN OVER...? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #58

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #60

+millions Ken Burch Apr 2015 #71

I'm not white romanic Apr 2015 #75

You're not black though. bravenak Apr 2015 #82

I said I was black and Puerto Rican. romanic Apr 2015 #91

Really? Hmmm. bravenak Apr 2015 #94

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #99

Wow. You are very nasty. bravenak Apr 2015 #100

And now he's hid, 5-2. msanthrope Apr 2015 #104

Good! Thank you!!! bravenak Apr 2015 #105

Than this thread wasn't aimed at you. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #87

It should be the other way round. merrily Apr 2015 #86

Sanctimony about looting has nothing to do with caring about black neighborhoods. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #53

mic dropped merrily Apr 2015 #83

Yah, and some of them are just plain racist, first. nt delrem Apr 2015 #120

You are entitled to your opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #31

Nonviolence is its own moral authority. Orsino Apr 2015 #62

Well Said! Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #63

Well, so long as feeling morally superior is what you're after, sure Scootaloo Apr 2015 #73

You just broke my irony meter. Nt hack89 Apr 2015 #76

Good, maybe you can buy one that works better Scootaloo Apr 2015 #81

Right. Nt hack89 Apr 2015 #84

Any DU'er that spends their time attacking pragmatism can't actually talk about KittyWampus Apr 2015 #103

If you want to discuss your political "pragmatism," we can do so elsewhere Scootaloo Apr 2015 #110

I agree that we as a society have a long way to go. AngryOldDem Apr 2015 #64

An RT reporter was knocked down and had her bag stolen. Quantess Apr 2015 #80

Wow. I'm glad I clicked. I read the headline as saying whites have no moral merrily Apr 2015 #65

Bullshit... Oktober Apr 2015 #67

OP is talking about moral obligation. n/t Euphoria Apr 2015 #96

Bravo, OP mwrguy Apr 2015 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #70

Goodbye, since you won't be here long. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #72

Is it ok get the red out Apr 2015 #74

I see nothing wrong with commending them, but that's merrily Apr 2015 #85

I am not saying I have an opinion, shouldn't have used the word "agree" get the red out Apr 2015 #112

I answered that question to the best of my ability, given I don't walk in those shoes. merrily Apr 2015 #113

I said THEY had the right to call for nonviolence. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #95

Racist nonsense Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #90

Speaking of sanctimony. . . nt Codeine Apr 2015 #101

Yet, the mayor uses a racially charged term, 'thug' JCMach1 Apr 2015 #107

What about mixed race people like me? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #109

You have that "moral authority" every other time.... former9thward Apr 2015 #111

! n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #116

Were all citizens, and it's going to be all of our job to fix this mess. Calista241 Apr 2015 #114

Non-violence will always be my default position... Throd Apr 2015 #115

Fine. Support nonviolence by fighting the causes OF violence. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #122

Since when do I need authority from anybody to call for non-violence? (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #117

People who say "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem..." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #121

This is wrong MFrohike Apr 2015 #126

Non-violence is not a method, it is a way of life, a goal, an end in and of itself. Quantess Apr 2015 #129

Ok MFrohike Apr 2015 #131

I have always believed that peace is the end goal. Quantess Apr 2015 #130