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merrily

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65. Wow. I'm glad I clicked. I read the headline as saying whites have no moral

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 04:24 AM

Apr 2015

authority to call for nonviolence from the police and I was about to open both barrels on the OP (figuratively--no actual guns!).

Would it be great if everyone could have a calm meeting, pass the coffee and Danish, come to conclusions and change everything the next day? Duh.

But that has not happened and may never. In the meantime, who is nervously waiting for her son to come home from school in one piece? Some white moms and dads and grandparents, sure. But mostly people of color, and specifically African Americans and Hispanics. If I were in their shoes every time my child left home, 24/7/365, good grief, I don't what the fuck I would have done, or to what. The most fucking amazing thing to me about any persecuted group is how fucking long they just take it and take it, without doing anything.

Whatever effort anyone is going to spend on this--and it should be a lot from people of goodwill of every hue-- ought to be directed at fixing the root causes.

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Regarding Baltimore: Black people have the moral authority to call for nonviolence-whites don't. [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2015 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Apr 2015 #1

you're right. linuxman Apr 2015 #2

Wasn't saying you should do that either. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #3

bwahahahahaha! linuxman Apr 2015 #4

We have an obligation to first fight the things that led to what's happening tonight. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #6

you're right. linuxman Apr 2015 #8

You are unable to understand, so I repeat Mr. Burch: delrem Apr 2015 #13

you can ignore what he wrote if you choose. I'm white, therefore there is no positive intent in my linuxman Apr 2015 #16

Again, you're projecting your own thoughts, not those of Ken Burch. delrem Apr 2015 #21

You may however, continue criticizing the symptoms rather than the cause. Which is also brilliant.. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #118

So if some of the rioters, say, start murdering people AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #20

The police are more likely to murder people. bravenak Apr 2015 #26

The OP isn't about police AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #27

So what? It's not about murder either, but you brought that up for no reason. bravenak Apr 2015 #29

They've got their metaphorical pitchforks out, bravenak, delrem Apr 2015 #32

And for the people to shut up about the police violence. bravenak Apr 2015 #33

Who is 'they' AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #39

I brought it up AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #36

Oh, so only you can bring up irrelevant shit? Nice to know. bravenak Apr 2015 #38

The OP is still racist poo AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #42

Maybe it's you not the op. bravenak Apr 2015 #43

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #59

There have been 68 homicides in Baltimore so far this year & 211 last year FSogol Apr 2015 #97

The police are more likely than the rioters. bravenak Apr 2015 #98

Fair enough. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #106

insane hypothetical that won't happen-didn't even happen in Ferguson. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #54

If that's demagogic you should read the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #102

If and when that happens, let's discuss it. merrily Apr 2015 #66

What if they start raping white women? Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #108

You are most certainly NOT echoing Mr. Burch. delrem Apr 2015 #5

Thanks. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #7

That's ridiculous Lil Missy Apr 2015 #9

Is it your neighbourhood? delrem Apr 2015 #10

How about voting for Democratic politicians which happened in Baltimore yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #127

nope, no authority to. linuxman Apr 2015 #11

And you certainly do want to tell "those people" what shits they are! nt delrem Apr 2015 #12

is "those people" linuxman Apr 2015 #14

"these people" is entirely your locution, linuxman. nt delrem Apr 2015 #22

And we both know exactly who he means by that. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #49

Depends. Were you referring to African Americans or to rioters? merrily Apr 2015 #77

Oh, please - burning down and looting businesses that have jack shit to do w/ the issue Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2015 #15

The need is to fight the systemic violence that provokes these acts. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #46

So in other words, you're going to make up words to insult people who disagree mythology Apr 2015 #125

Well it also accomplishes creating increased unemployment in the area which increases the poverty cstanleytech Apr 2015 #47

I sort of agree. Bonobo Apr 2015 #17

If nothing else, white people can't sanctimoniously demand nonviolence from people of color Ken Burch Apr 2015 #48

Patently absurd premise. bluesbassman Apr 2015 #18

The way to fight that violence is to fight the larger violence that provoked it. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #41

... and the people in the system... immoderate Apr 2015 #128

Once someone throws a brick through a window AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #19

The OP does not condone violence. delrem Apr 2015 #23

Sure it does AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #24

The OP doesn't say that. delrem Apr 2015 #30

The OP is poo AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #34

You can check your privileges romanic Apr 2015 #25

I'm with you on the volunteering part. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #35

The moral compass must be directed at ourselves and those in power. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #40

And then what? romanic Apr 2015 #51

Not guilt-responsibility. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #55

Blah blah blah romanic Apr 2015 #57

Why stay if you hate it so much here? bravenak Apr 2015 #61

WTF are you talking to? romanic Apr 2015 #78

I'm talking to you. bravenak Apr 2015 #79

I don't hate it here. romanic Apr 2015 #88

Seems like it. bravenak Apr 2015 #89

Well I don't romanic Apr 2015 #92

Still seems like it. Get to steppin'? bravenak Apr 2015 #93

They sure do like to show themselves, don't they? delrem Apr 2015 #119

Yep. I noticed this one as soon as it showed up. bravenak Apr 2015 #123

yep. no-accounts. delrem Apr 2015 #124

The OP was a call to act...it wasn't just words for words' sake. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #69

Given that so many of these people were utterly silent about violence by the police? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #28

Good observation. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #37

Caring about black neighborhoods romanic Apr 2015 #44

When voiced by people who expressed no care about black LIVES? yes. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #45

I've seen plenty romanic Apr 2015 #50

No, it's not an "either / or" situation Scootaloo Apr 2015 #52

Who the hell said romanic Apr 2015 #56

But when that's the ONLY THING THEY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN OVER...? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #58

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #60

+millions Ken Burch Apr 2015 #71

I'm not white romanic Apr 2015 #75

You're not black though. bravenak Apr 2015 #82

I said I was black and Puerto Rican. romanic Apr 2015 #91

Really? Hmmm. bravenak Apr 2015 #94

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #99

Wow. You are very nasty. bravenak Apr 2015 #100

And now he's hid, 5-2. msanthrope Apr 2015 #104

Good! Thank you!!! bravenak Apr 2015 #105

Than this thread wasn't aimed at you. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #87

It should be the other way round. merrily Apr 2015 #86

Sanctimony about looting has nothing to do with caring about black neighborhoods. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #53

mic dropped merrily Apr 2015 #83

Yah, and some of them are just plain racist, first. nt delrem Apr 2015 #120

You are entitled to your opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #31

Nonviolence is its own moral authority. Orsino Apr 2015 #62

Well Said! Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #63

Well, so long as feeling morally superior is what you're after, sure Scootaloo Apr 2015 #73

You just broke my irony meter. Nt hack89 Apr 2015 #76

Good, maybe you can buy one that works better Scootaloo Apr 2015 #81

Right. Nt hack89 Apr 2015 #84

Any DU'er that spends their time attacking pragmatism can't actually talk about KittyWampus Apr 2015 #103

If you want to discuss your political "pragmatism," we can do so elsewhere Scootaloo Apr 2015 #110

I agree that we as a society have a long way to go. AngryOldDem Apr 2015 #64

An RT reporter was knocked down and had her bag stolen. Quantess Apr 2015 #80

Wow. I'm glad I clicked. I read the headline as saying whites have no moral merrily Apr 2015 #65

Bullshit... Oktober Apr 2015 #67

OP is talking about moral obligation. n/t Euphoria Apr 2015 #96

Bravo, OP mwrguy Apr 2015 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #70

Goodbye, since you won't be here long. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #72

Is it ok get the red out Apr 2015 #74

I see nothing wrong with commending them, but that's merrily Apr 2015 #85

I am not saying I have an opinion, shouldn't have used the word "agree" get the red out Apr 2015 #112

I answered that question to the best of my ability, given I don't walk in those shoes. merrily Apr 2015 #113

I said THEY had the right to call for nonviolence. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #95

Racist nonsense Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #90

Speaking of sanctimony. . . nt Codeine Apr 2015 #101

Yet, the mayor uses a racially charged term, 'thug' JCMach1 Apr 2015 #107

What about mixed race people like me? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #109

You have that "moral authority" every other time.... former9thward Apr 2015 #111

! n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #116

Were all citizens, and it's going to be all of our job to fix this mess. Calista241 Apr 2015 #114

Non-violence will always be my default position... Throd Apr 2015 #115

Fine. Support nonviolence by fighting the causes OF violence. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #122

Since when do I need authority from anybody to call for non-violence? (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #117

People who say "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem..." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #121

This is wrong MFrohike Apr 2015 #126

Non-violence is not a method, it is a way of life, a goal, an end in and of itself. Quantess Apr 2015 #129

Ok MFrohike Apr 2015 #131

I have always believed that peace is the end goal. Quantess Apr 2015 #130