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In reply to the discussion: The White House fires back at George W. Bush [View all]Triana
(22,666 posts)58. Blaming Obama for ISIS is bullshit. Here's why...
Here is what the leader of ISIS said about its current existence: "If there was no US prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS. The prison was a factory. It made us
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And in regards to ISIS, there is another piece of relevant information that the media and those who support the Bush regime like to ignore (they inexplicably blame Obama instead, for the fact that ISIS exists - but the fact is Obama has little to do with it):
THE REST:
http://www.motherjon...ase-george-bush
From a previous post of mine: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025960968
. . . Abu Ahmed recalled. They had also been terrified of Bucca, but quickly realised that far from their worst fears, the US-run prison provided an extraordinary opportunity. We could never have all got together like this in Baghdad, or anywhere else, he told me. It would have been impossibly dangerous. Here, we were not only safe, but we were only a few hundred metres away from the entire al-Qaida leadership.
It was at Camp Bucca that Abu Ahmed first met Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the emir of Isis who is now frequently described as the worlds most dangerous terrorist leader. From the beginning, Abu Ahmed said, others in the camp seemed to defer to him. Even then, he was Abu Bakr. But none of us knew he would ever end up as leader.
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According to Hisham al-Hashimi, the Baghdad-based analyst, the Iraqi government estimates that 17 of the 25 most important Islamic State leaders running the war in Iraq and Syria spent time in US prisons between 2004 and 2011. Some were transferred from American custody to Iraqi prisons, where a series of jailbreaks in the last several years allowed many senior leaders to escape and rejoin the insurgent ranks.
Abu Ghraib was the scene of the biggest and most damaging breakout in 2013, with up to 500 inmates, many of them senior jihadists handed over by the departing US military, fleeing in July of that year after the prison was stormed by Islamic State forces, who launched a simultaneous, and equally successful, raid on nearby Taji prison.
Iraqs government closed Abu Ghraib in April 2014 and it now stands empty, 15 miles from Baghdads western outskirts, near the frontline between Isis and Iraqs security forces, who seem perennially under-prepared as they stare into the heat haze shimmering over the highway that leads towards the badlands of Falluja and Ramadi.
Parts of both cities have become a no-go zone for Iraqs beleaguered troops, who have been battered and humiliated by Isis, a group of marauders unparalleled in Mesopotamia since the time of the Mongols. When I visited the abandoned prison late this summer, a group of disinterested Iraqi forces sat at a checkpoint on the main road to Baghdad, eating watermelon as the distant rumble of shellfire sounded in the distance. The imposing walls of Abu Ghraib were behind them, and their jihadist enemies were staked out further down the road.
The revelation of abuses at Abu Ghraib had a radicalising effect on many Iraqis, who saw the purported civility of American occupation as little improvement on the tyranny of Saddam.
It was at Camp Bucca that Abu Ahmed first met Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the emir of Isis who is now frequently described as the worlds most dangerous terrorist leader. From the beginning, Abu Ahmed said, others in the camp seemed to defer to him. Even then, he was Abu Bakr. But none of us knew he would ever end up as leader.
. . .
According to Hisham al-Hashimi, the Baghdad-based analyst, the Iraqi government estimates that 17 of the 25 most important Islamic State leaders running the war in Iraq and Syria spent time in US prisons between 2004 and 2011. Some were transferred from American custody to Iraqi prisons, where a series of jailbreaks in the last several years allowed many senior leaders to escape and rejoin the insurgent ranks.
Abu Ghraib was the scene of the biggest and most damaging breakout in 2013, with up to 500 inmates, many of them senior jihadists handed over by the departing US military, fleeing in July of that year after the prison was stormed by Islamic State forces, who launched a simultaneous, and equally successful, raid on nearby Taji prison.
Iraqs government closed Abu Ghraib in April 2014 and it now stands empty, 15 miles from Baghdads western outskirts, near the frontline between Isis and Iraqs security forces, who seem perennially under-prepared as they stare into the heat haze shimmering over the highway that leads towards the badlands of Falluja and Ramadi.
Parts of both cities have become a no-go zone for Iraqs beleaguered troops, who have been battered and humiliated by Isis, a group of marauders unparalleled in Mesopotamia since the time of the Mongols. When I visited the abandoned prison late this summer, a group of disinterested Iraqi forces sat at a checkpoint on the main road to Baghdad, eating watermelon as the distant rumble of shellfire sounded in the distance. The imposing walls of Abu Ghraib were behind them, and their jihadist enemies were staked out further down the road.
The revelation of abuses at Abu Ghraib had a radicalising effect on many Iraqis, who saw the purported civility of American occupation as little improvement on the tyranny of Saddam.
THE REST:
http://www.theguardi...ory?CMP=twt_gu
_ _ _ _ _
And in regards to ISIS, there is another piece of relevant information that the media and those who support the Bush regime like to ignore (they inexplicably blame Obama instead, for the fact that ISIS exists - but the fact is Obama has little to do with it):
How the Top Iraqi Terrorist Was Helped by a Bush-Signed Agreement
With the crisis in Iraq intensifying, conservative media outlets have searched for a fall guy and found one: President Barack Obama. In recent days, conservative websites have peddled the claim that it was Obama who freed the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the Al Qaeda-inspired Islamic militant group currently overrunning cities in northern Iraq and threatening Baghdad. Referring to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who heads ISIS, the Daily Mail asserts, "Obama SET FREE the merciless terrorist warlord now leading the ISIS horde blazing a trail of destruction through Iraq." Right-wing author David Horowitz's FrontPage Magazine claims Baghdadi, who was once held by US forces in Iraq, was released "on Obama's watch." And RedState.com says Baghdadi was let go under the Obama administration's "policy of releasing terrorists." But they have it wrong: It was an agreement signed by President George W. Bush in 2008 that led to Baghdadi's release in 2009.
In 2005, US military forces captured Baghdadi. (There are not many public details about his capture or his role then in the ongoing insurgency.) He was held in a US-run detention camp in southern Iraq called Camp Bucca, where he remained for several years.
In 2008, while reducing the numbers of US troops in the country, Bush signed an agreement with the Iraqi government that mandated that all detainees be handed over to Iraqi forces. In accordance with this agreement, Baghdadi was transferred to Iraqi custody in 2009, and by 2010, the Iraqi government (for a reason not explained publicly) had set him free. That same year, Baghdadi assumed leadership of ISIS. He has since been dubbed "the new bin Laden."
It's not as if Bush could have prevented Baghdadi's release by maintaining control over detaineesin part because his administration had so screwed up on this front. (See Abu Ghraib.) At the time, "the United States' detainee programs had become a black eye," says Patrick Johnston, an expert on Iraqi insurgent groups at the RAND Corporation. US-run detention facilities were overcrowded; some prisoners were tortured. Continuing a large US-controlled detainee program "was a political nonstarter," he adds.
With the crisis in Iraq intensifying, conservative media outlets have searched for a fall guy and found one: President Barack Obama. In recent days, conservative websites have peddled the claim that it was Obama who freed the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the Al Qaeda-inspired Islamic militant group currently overrunning cities in northern Iraq and threatening Baghdad. Referring to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who heads ISIS, the Daily Mail asserts, "Obama SET FREE the merciless terrorist warlord now leading the ISIS horde blazing a trail of destruction through Iraq." Right-wing author David Horowitz's FrontPage Magazine claims Baghdadi, who was once held by US forces in Iraq, was released "on Obama's watch." And RedState.com says Baghdadi was let go under the Obama administration's "policy of releasing terrorists." But they have it wrong: It was an agreement signed by President George W. Bush in 2008 that led to Baghdadi's release in 2009.
In 2005, US military forces captured Baghdadi. (There are not many public details about his capture or his role then in the ongoing insurgency.) He was held in a US-run detention camp in southern Iraq called Camp Bucca, where he remained for several years.
In 2008, while reducing the numbers of US troops in the country, Bush signed an agreement with the Iraqi government that mandated that all detainees be handed over to Iraqi forces. In accordance with this agreement, Baghdadi was transferred to Iraqi custody in 2009, and by 2010, the Iraqi government (for a reason not explained publicly) had set him free. That same year, Baghdadi assumed leadership of ISIS. He has since been dubbed "the new bin Laden."
It's not as if Bush could have prevented Baghdadi's release by maintaining control over detaineesin part because his administration had so screwed up on this front. (See Abu Ghraib.) At the time, "the United States' detainee programs had become a black eye," says Patrick Johnston, an expert on Iraqi insurgent groups at the RAND Corporation. US-run detention facilities were overcrowded; some prisoners were tortured. Continuing a large US-controlled detainee program "was a political nonstarter," he adds.
THE REST:
http://www.motherjon...ase-george-bush
From a previous post of mine: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025960968
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it's good to finally see the Administration throwing the shit right back at bush and cheney
notadmblnd
Apr 2015
#1
Right about that, 1SBM. And bush told the R Guard "you're fired and take your weapons with you",
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#14
i figured out about 2002 that gore was never gonna win. the rite INSTALLED bush as a conservative
pansypoo53219
Apr 2015
#37
There was very little news in the past two weeks about the last survivor of Sadam's cabinet
malaise
Apr 2015
#28
As if to say that bush was at all credible on matters of foreign policy or anything else for that
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2015
#5
I bet they kinda sorta wish they had thrown them to the international courts now
BrotherIvan
Apr 2015
#6
It's not too late. At least they should have to answer for their crimes in the
Enthusiast
Apr 2015
#52
Does he not remember signing the agreement that set the deadline to leave as Dec. 31, 2011?
tanyev
Apr 2015
#9
Bush...silent as a lamb for so, so long. Almost allowing everyone to forget.
Sheepshank
Apr 2015
#10
Will he ever figure out how his Poppy and Cheney manipulated him? I bet Laura knows.
rhett o rick
Apr 2015
#39
This statement really shows what Bush is, blames others, lies, accepts no responsibility.
Stuart G
Apr 2015
#17
That was Cheney who said that, as a defense of NOT removing Saddam In '91. There's TAPE of this, btw
Volaris
Apr 2015
#30
"it's the principle reason that President Obama is sitting in the Oval Office right now."
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2015
#22
should have stopped /w 'save kuait' shrubs and u woulda been the hero of the middle east
Sunlei
Apr 2015
#24
Shrub cratered American foreign policy and the American economy. Worst President ever.
kairos12
Apr 2015
#25
It would be bad enough but he never even received much media criticism for his path of destruction.
Enthusiast
Apr 2015
#51
bush gets out of bathtub to try and change his genocidal foreign policy legacy.. he has a lot of gd
Cha
Apr 2015
#31
The White House, "It was Bush who actually set the stage for the Islamic State by invading Iraq."
Botany
Apr 2015
#60