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Triana

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58. Blaming Obama for ISIS is bullshit. Here's why...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:34 AM
Apr 2015
Here is what the leader of ISIS said about its current existence: "If there was no US prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS. The prison was a factory. It made us

. . . Abu Ahmed recalled. They had also been terrified of Bucca, but quickly realised that far from their worst fears, the US-run prison provided an extraordinary opportunity. “We could never have all got together like this in Baghdad, or anywhere else,” he told me. “It would have been impossibly dangerous. Here, we were not only safe, but we were only a few hundred metres away from the entire al-Qaida leadership.”

It was at Camp Bucca that Abu Ahmed first met Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the emir of Isis who is now frequently described as the world’s most dangerous terrorist leader. From the beginning, Abu Ahmed said, others in the camp seemed to defer to him. “Even then, he was Abu Bakr. But none of us knew he would ever end up as leader.”

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According to Hisham al-Hashimi, the Baghdad-based analyst, the Iraqi government estimates that 17 of the 25 most important Islamic State leaders running the war in Iraq and Syria spent time in US prisons between 2004 and 2011. Some were transferred from American custody to Iraqi prisons, where a series of jailbreaks in the last several years allowed many senior leaders to escape and rejoin the insurgent ranks.

Abu Ghraib was the scene of the biggest – and most damaging – breakout in 2013, with up to 500 inmates, many of them senior jihadists handed over by the departing US military, fleeing in July of that year after the prison was stormed by Islamic State forces, who launched a simultaneous, and equally successful, raid on nearby Taji prison.

Iraq’s government closed Abu Ghraib in April 2014 and it now stands empty, 15 miles from Baghdad’s western outskirts, near the frontline between Isis and Iraq’s security forces, who seem perennially under-prepared as they stare into the heat haze shimmering over the highway that leads towards the badlands of Falluja and Ramadi.

Parts of both cities have become a no-go zone for Iraq’s beleaguered troops, who have been battered and humiliated by Isis, a group of marauders unparalleled in Mesopotamia since the time of the Mongols. When I visited the abandoned prison late this summer, a group of disinterested Iraqi forces sat at a checkpoint on the main road to Baghdad, eating watermelon as the distant rumble of shellfire sounded in the distance. The imposing walls of Abu Ghraib were behind them, and their jihadist enemies were staked out further down the road.

The revelation of abuses at Abu Ghraib had a radicalising effect on many Iraqis, who saw the purported civility of American occupation as little improvement on the tyranny of Saddam.



THE REST:

http://www.theguardi...ory?CMP=twt_gu



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And in regards to ISIS, there is another piece of relevant information that the media and those who support the Bush regime like to ignore (they inexplicably blame Obama instead, for the fact that ISIS exists - but the fact is Obama has little to do with it):


How the Top Iraqi Terrorist Was Helped by a Bush-Signed Agreement

With the crisis in Iraq intensifying, conservative media outlets have searched for a fall guy and found one: President Barack Obama. In recent days, conservative websites have peddled the claim that it was Obama who freed the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the Al Qaeda-inspired Islamic militant group currently overrunning cities in northern Iraq and threatening Baghdad. Referring to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who heads ISIS, the Daily Mail asserts, "Obama SET FREE the merciless terrorist warlord now leading the ISIS horde blazing a trail of destruction through Iraq." Right-wing author David Horowitz's FrontPage Magazine claims Baghdadi, who was once held by US forces in Iraq, was released "on Obama's watch." And RedState.com says Baghdadi was let go under the Obama administration's "policy of releasing terrorists." But they have it wrong: It was an agreement signed by President George W. Bush in 2008 that led to Baghdadi's release in 2009.

In 2005, US military forces captured Baghdadi. (There are not many public details about his capture or his role then in the ongoing insurgency.) He was held in a US-run detention camp in southern Iraq called Camp Bucca, where he remained for several years.

In 2008, while reducing the numbers of US troops in the country, Bush signed an agreement with the Iraqi government that mandated that all detainees be handed over to Iraqi forces. In accordance with this agreement, Baghdadi was transferred to Iraqi custody in 2009, and by 2010, the Iraqi government (for a reason not explained publicly) had set him free. That same year, Baghdadi assumed leadership of ISIS. He has since been dubbed "the new bin Laden."

It's not as if Bush could have prevented Baghdadi's release by maintaining control over detainees—in part because his administration had so screwed up on this front. (See Abu Ghraib.) At the time, "the United States' detainee programs had become a black eye," says Patrick Johnston, an expert on Iraqi insurgent groups at the RAND Corporation. US-run detention facilities were overcrowded; some prisoners were tortured. Continuing a large US-controlled detainee program "was a political nonstarter," he adds.



THE REST:

http://www.motherjon...ase-george-bush



From a previous post of mine: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025960968

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it's good to finally see the Administration throwing the shit right back at bush and cheney notadmblnd Apr 2015 #1
It is a little to little far too late: olegramps Apr 2015 #68
$$$$ Scarsdale Apr 2015 #72
Not to mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #2
Right about that, 1SBM. And bush told the R Guard "you're fired and take your weapons with you", Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #14
Now there's some irony. Chemisse Apr 2015 #16
i figured out about 2002 that gore was never gonna win. the rite INSTALLED bush as a conservative pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #37
^ BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #41
utOf course it is, Bush needs to keep his stupid mouth the fuck shut NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #26
There was very little news in the past two weeks about the last survivor of Sadam's cabinet malaise Apr 2015 #28
Castor oil ! kentuck Apr 2015 #3
GOOD. I despise Bush and his entire rotten lot. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #4
As if to say that bush was at all credible on matters of foreign policy or anything else for that The_Casual_Observer Apr 2015 #5
I bet they kinda sorta wish they had thrown them to the international courts now BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #6
Instead of firing back at the Frat Boy verbally Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #7
All of those evil fuckers , including Chimpy and DicKKK hifiguy Apr 2015 #12
It's not too late. At least they should have to answer for their crimes in the Enthusiast Apr 2015 #52
Politically, it is for Obama. hughee99 Apr 2015 #62
Oh, I know that. I'm just wishful thinking. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #63
All of those evil fuckers , including Chimpy and DicKKK The CCC Apr 2015 #55
Obama should have put bush and cheney in prison project_bluebook Apr 2015 #8
But that would have been disrespectful of the office of the Pretzeldency. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #53
Does he not remember signing the agreement that set the deadline to leave as Dec. 31, 2011? tanyev Apr 2015 #9
Not too mention that the Iraqis basically told the US to get out deutsey Apr 2015 #56
Bush...silent as a lamb for so, so long. Almost allowing everyone to forget. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #10
That's not very nice. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #11
Will he ever figure out how his Poppy and Cheney manipulated him? I bet Laura knows. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #39
cue the cheney of death.....3...2...1 spanone Apr 2015 #13
Bush keeping his mouth shut for so long did him a lot of good- KrazyinKS Apr 2015 #15
This statement really shows what Bush is, blames others, lies, accepts no responsibility. Stuart G Apr 2015 #17
Notice he hasn't made any trips outside the country? George II Apr 2015 #19
That was Cheney who said that, as a defense of NOT removing Saddam In '91. There's TAPE of this, btw Volaris Apr 2015 #30
I think they're taking all of these shots because they know...... George II Apr 2015 #18
The only thing Bush tried to end was Social Security. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #23
Quite the contrary: They accomplished a LOT. Beartracks Apr 2015 #46
George W. Bush complaining about this mid east is silly Gothmog Apr 2015 #20
Attendees recalled Bush quoting Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina): George II Apr 2015 #21
And the media let's them get away with it... robbob Apr 2015 #40
"it's the principle reason that President Obama is sitting in the Oval Office right now." Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #22
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #50
should have stopped /w 'save kuait' shrubs and u woulda been the hero of the middle east Sunlei Apr 2015 #24
Shrub cratered American foreign policy and the American economy. Worst President ever. kairos12 Apr 2015 #25
It would be bad enough but he never even received much media criticism for his path of destruction. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #51
any comments about Libya? ...nt quadrature Apr 2015 #27
The MFers! jaxind Apr 2015 #29
bush gets out of bathtub to try and change his genocidal foreign policy legacy.. he has a lot of gd Cha Apr 2015 #31
that, right there! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #42
Mahalo Blanche! Cha Apr 2015 #47
You mean this George Bush mrdmk Apr 2015 #32
Of course he didn't REALLY regret using that banner LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #73
Bush strutted around like the top rooster at the time mrdmk Apr 2015 #74
Gutter audacity dpatbrown Apr 2015 #33
I like the new Obama....(b)ucket list.... Historic NY Apr 2015 #34
Too late now MyNameGoesHere Apr 2015 #35
Ouch!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #36
Republicans live in a different reality nakocal Apr 2015 #38
^^^^^^^^ this^^^^^^^^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #43
Fuck.... Enthusiast Apr 2015 #49
The Republican solution, as always gratuitous Apr 2015 #44
Aww crap Egnever Apr 2015 #45
Bout time. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #48
Here would be the real way to fire back 47of74 Apr 2015 #54
+ 1 red dog 1 Apr 2015 #78
Tell them they're going on an all expenses paid trip to Israel. 47of74 Apr 2015 #79
Really did they open a whoop ass investigation on the iraq war and 911? Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #57
Blaming Obama for ISIS is bullshit. Here's why... Triana Apr 2015 #58
W should have stayed in his hole Gothmog Apr 2015 #59
The White House, "It was Bush who actually set the stage for the Islamic State by invading Iraq." Botany Apr 2015 #60
my first k and r for any article here :) allan01 Apr 2015 #61
Don't forget that w wouldn't have been in the White House w/out bother Jeb's help Botany Apr 2015 #65
"a strategic blunder" say those of the BigOil WeaponsDealer ilk wordpix Apr 2015 #64
Hell yeah! MoonRiver Apr 2015 #66
I thought Bush would remain silent for the rest of his life hanon Apr 2015 #67
Welcome to DU, hanon! calimary Apr 2015 #77
Bush and Maliki signed the U.S. - Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which BeatleBoot Apr 2015 #69
Plus - we left on Bush's time-line lame54 Apr 2015 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2015 #71
Blamimg Obama for ISIL is like blaming the fireman for the fire. SunSeeker Apr 2015 #75
Low Profile HassleCat Apr 2015 #76
K&R...Thanks for posting, babylonsister red dog 1 Apr 2015 #80
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