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stone space

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5. Nonviolence does not require giving ones opponent a veto over your actions.

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 10:40 AM

Apr 2015

It also requires reson among the people backing the other side.

No method of struggle works well when you hand your opponent a veto over your own protests that he can exercise simply by being unreasonable.

Nonviolence allows for reason on the part of your opponent, by removing factors of fear that short circuits reason, but does not compel it.

But in the end, nonviolence is about the exercise of power. It's a form of coercion.

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Charles Pierce Asks: "How does one reason in the face of brutalized futility?" [View all] kpete Apr 2015 OP

No, it doesn't. Non-violent resistence requires reason on the part of nonviolent activists. stone space Apr 2015 #1

It also requires reson among the people backing the other side. jeff47 Apr 2015 #3

Nonviolence does not require giving ones opponent a veto over your actions. stone space Apr 2015 #5

It's only coercive when violence is unacceptable to the people you are trying to overcome. jeff47 Apr 2015 #10

I guess that I see nonviolence as more useful that you do. stone space Apr 2015 #12

No, you dislike violence, so you would prefer non-violence to be effective jeff47 Apr 2015 #13

OK. Perhaps we should simply give up. We're doomed. stone space Apr 2015 #15

Nope, we are not doomed. We just have to realize that a single tool can not fix all problems. jeff47 Apr 2015 #16

If you want me to use violence, then I'm out. stone space Apr 2015 #17

Then enjoy the crumbs that are given to you. jeff47 Apr 2015 #18

I will not kill for you. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #19

You don't have to. jeff47 Apr 2015 #20

Is there an act of violence that I can take that will... stone space Apr 2015 #21

Your path does not have to be 'the' path. jeff47 Apr 2015 #24

Who should I threaten with what specific violent action, and how will it help? stone space Apr 2015 #26

what you absolutely fail to understand and acknowledge is that your lifestyle depends upon violence TheSarcastinator Apr 2015 #29

I see that you are a mind reader. stone space Apr 2015 #30

Well stated, Sarcastinator. brush Apr 2015 #39

You don't have to participate in violence . . . brush Apr 2015 #31

I will not be part of a violent struggle. stone space Apr 2015 #32

Good, opt out . . . brush Apr 2015 #40

When you grab for your gunz, I'll be far, far away. stone space Apr 2015 #44

I'm not pushing guns at all. I mentioned several roles in the struggle that . . . brush Apr 2015 #45

This is pretty self-evident ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #28

So Bull Connor didn't want violence? mythology Apr 2015 #37

That is merely one view malaise Apr 2015 #6

All of my posts are merely one view. stone space Apr 2015 #9

He also advocated for racial separation for a long period mythology Apr 2015 #38

Actually, non-violent protest only works under critical assumptions of the aggressor. DetlefK Apr 2015 #8

We can aways find excuses for not engaging in nonviolent struggle. stone space Apr 2015 #14

What about the non-violent protestors you have killed personally? DetlefK Apr 2015 #22

I haven't killed any nonviolent protestors. stone space Apr 2015 #23

Way to dodge a question. DetlefK Apr 2015 #25

Sorry, but you seem to be arguing for inaction. stone space Apr 2015 #27

Ahhh . . . pot meet kettle? brush Apr 2015 #41

I dispute that a non-violent struggle works better than a violent struggle. Very different. DetlefK Apr 2015 #42

I fear we have come to a "Y" in the road...some hard choices are going to have to be made. libdem4life Apr 2015 #2

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No surprises there. longship Apr 2015 #35

Bye bye malaise Apr 2015 #11

Nonviolence can work when there is still some notion or moral sense hifiguy Apr 2015 #34

A good question Egnever Apr 2015 #36

Best post of the week! Vattel Apr 2015 #43