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MaggieD

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402. Let me give you explicit details

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 06:30 PM

Apr 2015

... and this is a true story of extremists in politics preventing their agenda from passing.

We'd get the bill to committee in whichever branch we had a dem majority (that varied from Senate to House over the years). They would show up and chant and scream, either outside the capital building or even in the gallery. And the bill would be tabled. They screamed and yelled horrible insults. It was awful.

In addition, here is what they DIDN'T do that WE did:

- they didn't try to line up GLBT people who had experienced discrimination to testify in hearings on the bill
- they didn't try to find candidates that would support the bill and help them get elected by knocking doors, phone banking, raising money for them
- they didn't reach out to business leaders who had the ear of politicians even though we found tons of them that supported the bill because it helped attract talent to their companies (Bezos, Gates, Balmer, Sports club CEO such as from the NBA, WNBA, NFL and MLB, and a host of others

All they did was bitch and chant and march and scream. For 15 frigging years until the sensible progressives said get the fuck out of the way. That is how political change works. That is reality.

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That's what Nader said MaggieD Apr 2015 #80

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Too get elected and it worked MaggieD Apr 2015 #332

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Common sense MaggieD Apr 2015 #84

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The people who have a problem with that would never vote for him anyway. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #116

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Hmmm. Reminds me of merrily Apr 2015 #241

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Gerrymandering in the Senate? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #146

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Hahahaha MFrohike Apr 2015 #30

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Gore is not / was not a centrist MaggieD Apr 2015 #178

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<snort> Well said. truebluegreen Apr 2015 #260

Yet fact free <snort> MaggieD Apr 2015 #279

which facts are in dispute? frylock Apr 2015 #285

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Where did I say any policy of Vice President Gore was a betrayal of the left? merrily Apr 2015 #282

So you don't think he's capable of his own policies? MaggieD Apr 2015 #284

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Stop twisting Ms Maggie I said he was in the DLC. That's a fact, not an argument. merrily Apr 2015 #309

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Bill Clinton is a centrist - Obama is a centrist MaggieD Apr 2015 #423

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stupid liberals frylock Apr 2015 #90

and are they strong and loud here. i am trolling a poster because i say supreme crt is priority for seabeyond Apr 2015 #18

who is they, and who are you trolling which you said 3 times in your post? appalachiablue Apr 2015 #57

Ever hear the saying, "Never ask a question unless you already know the answer?" merrily Apr 2015 #245

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you would like us to quit talking about the political candidates, on a democratic political board?nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #21

I'm fine with having more than one Dem candidate. L0oniX Apr 2015 #22

me, too. but then i did not suggest people NOT talk about democratic candidates, nt. seabeyond Apr 2015 #26

Some only want to talk about one and attack those that want a Democratic choice. L0oniX Apr 2015 #33

ah. well. i do not see her too far off obama. he mad ea couple good picks. she is adamant with seabeyond Apr 2015 #41

I would never have nominated Kagan. merrily Apr 2015 #317

No love for the coronation? merrily Apr 2015 #297

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she has the credentials, the history, the experience, the education to run. do not denigrate her seabeyond Apr 2015 #343

No one said she doesn't have the right to run. That is a totally different issue from merrily Apr 2015 #344

Coronation? Coming from the UK...I'm having a hard time understanding it's reference in US Politics Sheepshank Apr 2015 #366

Hmm. I began noticing it before Obama was even re-elected. At that time, I referred to it as merrily Apr 2015 #369

ahhh...so it's a gimmicy word used out of context to badger or belittle a candidacy? Sheepshank Apr 2015 #372

I thought I sensed a gotcha question posing as wide eyed innocent question. merrily Apr 2015 #374

Sorry if it felt like a "gotcha" Sheepshank Apr 2015 #386

No, I said it seemed like a gotcha from the jump merrily Apr 2015 #387

Hi again. I really didn't look at that article before posting it to you merrily Apr 2015 #373

I'm not jamming any candidate up anyone's ass MaggieD Apr 2015 #27

You are jamming the TPP up our ass, a piece of legislation written by lobbyists Cleita Apr 2015 #31

i did not see her take a position on tpp, just call out the misinformation. no position. do you seabeyond Apr 2015 #36

She's been all over this board about TPP for days? Cleita Apr 2015 #47

i saw a couple threads where she was calling out the false information. but, i did not see her seabeyond Apr 2015 #49

Well, then I guess it's wonderful that we can't see what our government is doing Cleita Apr 2015 #51

see. this shit. seabeyond Apr 2015 #52

Exactly MaggieD Apr 2015 #65

You are a fountain of lies. It IS secret. arendt Apr 2015 #152

Nope it's not MaggieD Apr 2015 #161

She may be wrong on facts, but she seems nice. merrily Apr 2015 #262

Here - it's not a secret MaggieD Apr 2015 #427

You are all about it whether you acknowledge it consciously or not. You can count to 50 TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #425

You mean the same way someone who didn't vote for Nader would object... arendt Apr 2015 #150

Oops, you're wrong again MaggieD Apr 2015 #162

True dat. Who could possibly argue with one man's opinion of Nader in a book review? merrily Apr 2015 #263

Facts and quotes and reality MaggieD Apr 2015 #275

Sorry, but opinions are not facts, simply because you share the opinion. merrily Apr 2015 #280

The article is full of facts and quotes MaggieD Apr 2015 #300

Yes, repeatedly stating I'm against it MaggieD Apr 2015 #64

See, and I saw it as being all over this board about Warren's being a liar. merrily Apr 2015 #265

I can't help what happens in your head MaggieD Apr 2015 #301

Try a morning nap. merrily Apr 2015 #304

Try backing up your assertions with facts MaggieD Apr 2015 #306

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Is that your way of saying you can't back up.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #312

Oooooo, I can't back up a statement about how I interpreted something you said with.... merrily Apr 2015 #313

"Interpreted" MaggieD Apr 2015 #314

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Sure you did MaggieD Apr 2015 #320

Huh? Whatever Ms. Maggie merrily Apr 2015 #322

No one forces you to reply with your imaginary ideas MaggieD Apr 2015 #350

I'm totally against the TPP MaggieD Apr 2015 #62

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OMG! The last thing I want up my ass... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #199

I'd have gone with the Chryler Building, but maybe that's just me. merrily Apr 2015 #239

Must resist... uhhhh... can't hold back... Then what would be the first thing? L0oniX Apr 2015 #266

Well, that would be a Butterfinger, of course! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #271

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In a large stadium? I'm there! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #274

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I'm concentrating here MaggieD Apr 2015 #34

Reeeeeelly? OFA voters will stay home next year? Hekate Apr 2015 #187

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Based on what? MaggieD Apr 2015 #29

stupid liberals frylock Apr 2015 #91

sock puppet arendt Apr 2015 #134

I call "bullcrap" on your "sockpuppertry" personal attack because you don't like the message. Cha Apr 2015 #39

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You're Welcome, MaggieD.. some are too easily prone to Cha Apr 2015 #211

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Newsflash! They already do. eom Cleita Apr 2015 #28

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The Democrat is not liberal enough, Vote republican liberal N proud Apr 2015 #35

Sitting home pouting or.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #37

Now that is true! liberal N proud Apr 2015 #40

Actually, all Republicans have to do is see that Hillary is in the general election, Jamastiene Apr 2015 #38

Quite a few Dems like her for Prez. I was not a Hillary supporter and I don't have a candidate yet Cha Apr 2015 #42

Same here, and.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #46

nope. i may have favs and wants, but nope. i do not need ot beat up the dems. i actually want a seabeyond Apr 2015 #50

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Did someone accuse you of being liberal? merrily Apr 2015 #311

Ya'll act like she's already the nominee whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #44

Rec yardwork Apr 2015 #45

I miss the unrec button. Scuba Apr 2015 #48

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Seems like you need to read the OP again MaggieD Apr 2015 #59

stupid liberals frylock Apr 2015 #93

sock puppet arendt Apr 2015 #136

Was banned in 2005. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #151

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Sorry, I thought that you were talking about MaggieD. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #156

There was a recent amnesty? Autumn Apr 2015 #268

me? frylock Apr 2015 #289

No it's all confusing Autumn Apr 2015 #298

sid would never do that. merrily Apr 2015 #331

So true Autumn Apr 2015 #334

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That's true about Warren and Sanders. MaggieD Apr 2015 #104

Sanders is "not electable?" markpkessinger Apr 2015 #408

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the single most ineffective and powerful voting bloc in the land.. frylock Apr 2015 #71

The left is powerless precisely because of their own actions MaggieD Apr 2015 #78

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The Liberal-bashing squad never sleeps here. arendt Apr 2015 #58

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You're ignoring history MaggieD Apr 2015 #173

GOLDSTEIN!!! frylock Apr 2015 #290

Ralph is a doody head Autumn Apr 2015 #302

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #129

sock puppet arendt Apr 2015 #137

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this is what my repeated posting is based upon.. frylock Apr 2015 #293

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This may be your funniest post yet and that's going some. merrily Apr 2015 #264

You better believe it! Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #347

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Wow is your analysis vapid and wrong. jeff47 Apr 2015 #63

Yeah, I've listened to "not Nader voters fault" baloney for 15 yrs. MaggieD Apr 2015 #66

stupid liberals frylock Apr 2015 #95

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #148

Based on what? MaggieD Apr 2015 #163

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I want the most liberal AND electable candidate we can get MaggieD Apr 2015 #97

stupid liberals frylock Apr 2015 #89

So you think it was smart of lefty liberals to vote for Nader? MaggieD Apr 2015 #100

sock puppet arendt Apr 2015 #132

lol Change has come Apr 2015 #186

Well, the trick then is to get a candidate we damn well know Is a liberal, innit? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #92

Ah, KY is a bad example of a liberal bastion MaggieD Apr 2015 #102

It's not about "bastions." Scootaloo Apr 2015 #112

Why use Ky as an example of a Dem loss? MaggieD Apr 2015 #118

What does this mean? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #259

It means they didn't want to be associated with extremists MaggieD Apr 2015 #303

Being in favor of equality is extremist? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #400

Let me give you explicit details MaggieD Apr 2015 #402

Bush stole the 2000 election. Gore won popular and electoral votes. morningfog Apr 2015 #99

10000th variation on the same post. still bullshit Doctor_J Apr 2015 #109

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #111

Who running as a democrat for president.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #123

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+10 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #249

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BING! BING! BING! BING! BING! We have a winner! longship Apr 2015 #117

Thanks! N/t MaggieD Apr 2015 #122

No. This very liberal Democrat thanks you. longship Apr 2015 #127

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #153

^^^ This Hekate Apr 2015 #212

Mahalo longship! Cha Apr 2015 #214

You are welcome, my good friend! longship Apr 2015 #217

Exactly, longship.. . "After all, the measure of friendship is not agreement, but respect." Cha Apr 2015 #219

My best to you. And my sincere respect. longship Apr 2015 #220

I meant to say "haven't" found anyone yet.. as you could probably tell Cha Apr 2015 #221

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Where is the fucking evidence she is a centrist????? MaggieD Apr 2015 #125

Her vote for the Iraq war, Larry Summers as her economic advisor Martin Eden Apr 2015 #149

That's all you've got? MaggieD Apr 2015 #157

"when does voting for the war make someone a centrist?" Martin Eden Apr 2015 #243

+100. Its about turnout, not turn-off. arendt Apr 2015 #139

Youre wrong because of Nader, or something. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #167

What a silly post ... Trajan Apr 2015 #147

Where did I say that? MaggieD Apr 2015 #159

Maybe Jeb will run his own version of his dad's Willie Horton ad and win the white vote. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #155

bitter, fear mongering preachers. is this Fox News? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #164

Looks like freepervile most days MaggieD Apr 2015 #165

it's insanity. a handful of DUers... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #166

It's not a handful MaggieD Apr 2015 #168

fear driven by conflating mid-term and general election turnout WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #176

Not conflating them at all MaggieD Apr 2015 #182

and now you just lost your Nader. how will you... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #397

you couldn't be more wrong about 2014 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #442

but don't stop there, Fox News, throw in the Nader boogeyman WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #177

I hope you are wrong. DCBob Apr 2015 #169

So much wrong with this OP, I don't know where to begin. First, WHO is this candidate you sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #170

So you think we should bash Democrats MaggieD Apr 2015 #171

Who is this nominee that you want everyone to support right now? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #183

I'm twisting YOUR words? MaggieD Apr 2015 #190

Personally I can support any of them MaggieD Apr 2015 #399

Yup.....it's the on going nebulousness that aggravates me. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #398

Oh please Maggie, which one of those teabaggies you voting for? akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #175

Am waiting for your answer. akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #181

I'm not so sure MaggieD Apr 2015 #184

Go with your heart and do remember that Democrats akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #189

I've never voted for a republican in 38 years of voting MaggieD Apr 2015 #191

I disagree with you. DU is for Democrats, if you bash Dems on akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #195

Really, I guess you missed, "fucking used car salesman" lobbed here? Sheepshank Apr 2015 #405

...... daleanime Apr 2015 #179

ugh vadermike Apr 2015 #180

Agreed all the way! MaggieD Apr 2015 #192

Are you an interior decorator! First and foremost, Hilary is not thinking about akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #193

Let me tell you this, just the idea of a rethuglican getting into power akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #185

People need to grow up and realize that Gloria Apr 2015 #188

agreed vadermike Apr 2015 #196

Triumph the WOnder Dog gets my vote before ANY GOPuke. mikehiggins Apr 2015 #197

Without bashing? You yourself have totally failed to do that in this thread. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #200

Maybe in your head MaggieD Apr 2015 #207

Is the OP intended as a threat to make people "like" Hillary? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #204

You HRC bashers have vivid imaginations MaggieD Apr 2015 #209

Well. Then. What was the point of the OP? Please. I'd like to know. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #213

That it's fucking dumb to bash people in our own party MaggieD Apr 2015 #215

And Hillary did not bash Obama in 2008? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #218

She disagreed with him and about him with objective facts MaggieD Apr 2015 #223

As in her constitutency is hard working white people? merrily Apr 2015 #333

I'm seeing a pattern with your posts.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #338

Bull puckies. That was Hillary, Bill (2X) and other Hillary campaign surrogates, namely merrily Apr 2015 #341

Plenty of people see the sexism MaggieD Apr 2015 #345

You misunderstand. I don't care what you see me as. merrily Apr 2015 #368

What happened to your 4th "buh bye" ???? MaggieD Apr 2015 #370

I seem to remember Obama getting pretty mean at that debate Gloria May 2015 #446

Obama won because of his likability. JDPriestly May 2015 #447

Left bad. merrily Apr 2015 #238

You got that hyperbole thing down pat! MaggieD Apr 2015 #340

huh? vadermike Apr 2015 #206

Liberals aren't influenced by Republicans AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #208

This whole thread proves that Will Rogers had us pegged nearly a century ago DFW Apr 2015 #222

............... marmar Apr 2015 #242

If we don't get it together soon, nilesobek Apr 2015 #247

Agree. Then expect a true theocracy. Vinca Apr 2015 #251

If republicans get control of the white house and congress workinclasszero Apr 2015 #319

We're well on our way to a corporate president in 2016. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #255

There's the truth of it. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #270

Exactly why we must fight. merrily Apr 2015 #321

Correct MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #364

who cares what republicans think or want. RedstDem Apr 2015 #256

Well, the sooner Turbineguy Apr 2015 #257

unrec G_j Apr 2015 #269

Not if we can draft Warren or find a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #272

Can you name those? MaggieD Apr 2015 #276

"You can discuss policy differences without bashing other democrats" bunnies Apr 2015 #323

It wasn't stupid to vote for Nader in a swing state? MaggieD Apr 2015 #362

Sorry. I'm not doing this. I made the mistake of reading this entire thread. bunnies Apr 2015 #365

How it goes with me? MaggieD Apr 2015 #367

I'm voting "ADOAR" -- Any Democrat over a Republican woodsprite Apr 2015 #324

Another hilarious MaggieD thread. merrily Apr 2015 #325

Game over, man! Game over! FSogol Apr 2015 #328

Can you explain how smearing democrats is helpful to the party? MaggieD Apr 2015 #353

I never did understand why you were so intent on smearing Warren sa liar, so no, I can't explain. merrily Apr 2015 #355

I didn't say she was a liar, and I like Warren MaggieD Apr 2015 #359

Yeah, ya did. You posted that POS piece from Banter that said she lied and you said you agreed merrily Apr 2015 #360

How many times are you going to do the buh bye thing? MaggieD Apr 2015 #363

The Banter article simply pointed out what Warren said on National TV: ucrdem Apr 2015 #403

Your statement is FLAT OUT UNTRUE, ucrdem merrily Apr 2015 #406

Don't shoot the messenger. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #407

As to the contents of your very own untrue post, you are not just a messenger. merrily Apr 2015 #410

For the record, the Maddow video is EMBEDDED in the Banter article, ucrdem Apr 2015 #411

LOL! I knew, that but it doesn't alter the fact that your post was FLAT OUT UNTRUE. merrily Apr 2015 #417

Banter: "she�s not telling you the truth." ucrdem Apr 2015 #418

HUH? See my Reply 360. You made an UNTRUE post and you obviously knew it. merrily Apr 2015 #421

Nothing to see. The issue is, did Banter make its case? It did. ucrdem Apr 2015 #424

NO! That was the issue on another thread two days ago. merrily Apr 2015 #429

Okay. Glad we agree on that much anyway. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #432

You said Caretha Apr 2015 #441

Bullcrap. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #342

Okay, site a specific issue by Hillary (not Bill) that makes you feel that way MaggieD Apr 2015 #348

If the GOP wins the White House in 2016, we will lose the SCOTUS for a generation Gothmog Apr 2015 #346

Yep, that's my main concern MaggieD Apr 2015 #349

Can I get a courtesy flush please? progressoid Apr 2015 #378

Here in Oregon, with vote by mail... Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #379

Yellow Dog Dem HassleCat Apr 2015 #380

If only we'd prosecuted Bush and Cheney...! Octafish Apr 2015 #381

Been reading about stuff leading up to the American Revolution. Cleita Apr 2015 #385

NASA may offer a means... Octafish Apr 2015 #388

Yes....one way. eom Cleita Apr 2015 #389

you raise valid points. we need to stop bashing ourselves samsingh Apr 2015 #383

I have never NOT voted since the day I became "legal" to do so. raven mad Apr 2015 #390

What A Full Court Press Effort colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #392

Major fail! Nader never said what you claim. nichomachus Apr 2015 #401

He said it on the day he launched his campaign in March 2000: ucrdem Apr 2015 #404

He did say that (over and over) - and he is lying about it in your quote MaggieD Apr 2015 #414

If the GOP nomination has the last name "Bush" Jon Ace Apr 2015 #409

Well at least your OP was meant to unify DU and not divide it! Rex Apr 2015 #413

The purists are what divide DU MaggieD Apr 2015 #416

So you are not a purist? Funny you sure do act like one in this thread with everyone. Rex Apr 2015 #434

You are correct. HRC is not progressive enough corkhead Apr 2015 #415

Actually she is very progressive MaggieD Apr 2015 #428

There is actually far more threat of them getting centrists to stay home Bjorn Against Apr 2015 #430

Interesting MaggieD Apr 2015 #431

That's insulting. LWolf Apr 2015 #437

Bottom line is that Bernie is aware of the Nader experience... libpride_15 Apr 2015 #438

OMG - Call me Rip Van Winkle! Caretha Apr 2015 #439

This again? Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #445