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Raine1967

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55. Here is where I stand:

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:51 PM

Apr 2015

My initial support was not for Barack Obama in 2007. I think a lot of people said the same thing about him.

I will support whoever wins the nomination because I am a proud member of my party.

I look forward to a healthy debate between everyone who declares that they are running for the nomination.

I do not believe that Senator Sanders and Secretary of State Clinton will be the only two people who are running for the nomination.

I also do not believe that SoS Clinton is an assumed candidate. I think that she is a very good candidate. I think that she is more than qualified and will be a wonderful nominee, but until she is a nominee, I look forward to seeing the choices we have as a party.

Bernie has just a good a chance as anyone. I am not counting anyone out, and that includes all the prospective people who might run.

Ok, I'll be honest… I am counting Lincoln Chafee out.

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We need to be realistic for a moment, I Love Bernie, bless him [View all] Hutzpa Apr 2015 OP

YOU start the discussion - why can he not win? I don't know patricia92243 Apr 2015 #1

Why can he not win? Some reasons... brooklynite Apr 2015 #85

Gonna be sad to see him lose. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #86

don't ever worry about that, Bernie is always one of the most popular cali Apr 2015 #134

. Agschmid Apr 2015 #117

Ya know, I take the long view...I think Bernie wants to inject his ideas into the CTyankee Apr 2015 #120

I actually think that *this* ^^ is the the reason Bernie is in the race Sheepshank Apr 2015 #167

Hey, GMTA! CTyankee Apr 2015 #169

At the risk of sounding kinda dumb...what is GMTA? n/t Sheepshank Apr 2015 #171

Great Minds Think Alike CTyankee Apr 2015 #172

ahhhhhh, honored. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #174

I agree...his entry changes the conversation... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #170

You could have summarized: Not right wing enough to be a Third Wayer LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #127

+1 Marr Apr 2015 #146

Ah...the S-Word. stone space Apr 2015 #128

You're welcome to challenge my assessments... brooklynite Apr 2015 #129

The S-Word doesn't bother me. stone space Apr 2015 #135

"He's too Liberal". Examples? n/t ieoeja Apr 2015 #141

Yeah, we can't afford your perspective. morningfog Apr 2015 #185

Can you afford a Republican getting elected? brooklynite Apr 2015 #198

"Hypothetically advocates Single Payer?" morningfog Apr 2015 #200

Bernie Sanders hasn't announced his campaign yet, so I'm not presuming his message brooklynite Apr 2015 #213

He's not like other candidates. His campaign platform will be consistent with his morningfog Apr 2015 #221

He's announced. And Single Payer is not a hypothetical position. morningfog Apr 2015 #222

And there it is... whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #147

He won't win because hes "too liberal" darkangel218 Apr 2015 #177

We shall see. leftofcool Apr 2015 #2

Well, I don't think Hillary has the appeal to win nationwide. But hey, this is what the djean111 Apr 2015 #3

Well, hopefully Bernie will poll as high as Hillary once he announces. leftofcool Apr 2015 #4

That's a ridiculous expectation. What we will see is Bernie polling higher and higher as more stillwaiting Apr 2015 #15

+1 daleanime Apr 2015 #18

+1 peacebird Apr 2015 #22

A lot of HRC support seems based on name-recognition polls, not on policy. djean111 Apr 2015 #27

My support of Hillary is because of her stand on the issuces, yes, I know the name but Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #75

Oh she has NO record at all that the people know anything about right? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #102

Actually, you are the one who posts about her poll results and such incessantly. 75% OF DEMOCRATS!! djean111 Apr 2015 #139

are you saying I am the only American that knows her record? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #149

Bye-bye, Ms. Non-sequitur thread-jacker. Don't roll around laughing and hurt yourself, now. djean111 Apr 2015 #165

People are finding Brand A to be more appealing. frylock Apr 2015 #113

Yep, and if history is any indication, her numbers will slowly erode over time, as people Marr Apr 2015 #136

If history has shown ANYTHING....its that NOBODY has EVER had these numbers in recorded history.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #150

I realize *you* think she's wonderful and charming. Marr Apr 2015 #156

I realize YOU don't realize that MOST people agree with me not you about Hillary Clinton! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #160

"You're likeable enough, Hillary>" merrily Apr 2015 #161

and HOW Long HAS Bernie been a Senator now? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #153

Too many Americans can't even name their OWN senators. arcane1 Apr 2015 #176

and that proves my point.....he hasn't even made an impression on them in ALL this time VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #195

They knew who Obama was. nt hack89 Apr 2015 #210

Once he started getting nationwide media attention, yes. arcane1 Apr 2015 #211

No - well before that hack89 Apr 2015 #214

That "splash" was, by definition, media attention, since the convention is broadcast nation-wide. arcane1 Apr 2015 #215

The point is Bernie is starting in a huge hole hack89 Apr 2015 #216

Agreed! I donated to him today, and he's been putting something together for months now. arcane1 Apr 2015 #217

Have fun. I have always enjoyed political campaigns. Nt hack89 Apr 2015 #218

She's going to have a 50 state organization. She's been preparing this for years. pnwmom Apr 2015 #19

With people like me who will work for him, people who don't trust HRC peacebird Apr 2015 #25

Me as well. And he can have my money after my bills are paid. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #206

and with NO money to boot! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #152

One needn't be rich or corporate-financed to run for president. And Bush would get his ass kicked :) arcane1 Apr 2015 #219

You are right...you don't need it to run... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #220

I say we (verb)Primary Bernie seveneyes Apr 2015 #5

I think he definitely has the appeal to win. Maedhros Apr 2015 #6

There it is in a nut shell. JEB Apr 2015 #93

I think we can sell him and bless you too. Autumn Apr 2015 #7

He voted against our pre-emptive war and calls out corporate malfeasance without waivering. think Apr 2015 #8

Sure Hutzpa Apr 2015 #11

Bernie. Authentic is more appealing than pragmatic. peacebird Apr 2015 #33

Real issues & solutions might actually appeal to the youth over the usual pandering and charades think Apr 2015 #66

No, Bernie's stance on ECONOMIC issues is what propels him above Hillary LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #82

Social issues? Marr Apr 2015 #148

Who wants those messy issues? Mnpaul Apr 2015 #73

Greenspan was one Ayn Rands acolytes Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #100

The biggest challenge is he will be swamped over by Hillary Clinton's money Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #9

Completely agree LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #126

I think we think what the tv tells us to think: "I love Bernie, but I must be the only one" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #10

I don't think anyone should underestimate the very good Senator nor the American voter. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #12

Not about him winning. He knows the likelihood is he wont, but you never know. What it is NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #13

I think he want to ensure that Hilary has to deal with his issues IphengeniaBlumgarten Apr 2015 #54

This ^ ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #101

I stopped at "bless him." ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #14

..... bigwillq Apr 2015 #107

Thank you. Although I had to add my 2 cents below. GMTA. Hiraeth Apr 2015 #159

i like the, we shall see, mode. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #16

gosh I just don't give a shit about that. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #17

I think it more about using wisdom than using our hearts to think Hutzpa Apr 2015 #20

You are asking which of the two republicans would I like elected. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #21

+1000 peacebird Apr 2015 #37

We had this same problem with Kerry in '04 Hutzpa Apr 2015 #39

Sorry no, my goal is to change the system. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #47

What is unsustainable criminal endeavor? Hutzpa Apr 2015 #51

The current system. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #63

"The Raw Deal." hifiguy Apr 2015 #72

And you feel strongly that Bernie will be able to change that Hutzpa Apr 2015 #74

Stealing "The Raw Deal" GoneOffShore Apr 2015 #199

Please propagate everywhere. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #207

This. I am done, in Jerry Seinfeld's words, hifiguy Apr 2015 #71

Dems are NOT Reps......not by a long shot Sheepshank Apr 2015 #173

No, I'll vote for the other republican in the race. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #180

nope...they are not the same. your trite couplet is just wrong Sheepshank Apr 2015 #189

Where did I say they were the same? Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #196

You really should get to know him better hootinholler Apr 2015 #23

You still think the American voting public is like DU don't you? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #34

When did I ever think that? hootinholler Apr 2015 #40

You seem to think its going to be easy for Bernie....perhaps you should find out more about the VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #48

Well then, no need for you to keep repeating yourself in threads about Bernie, I would think! djean111 Apr 2015 #58

Why...does the truth bother you to hear? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #60

Bwah! You are funny! And that's all the thread-jacking I will enable for today. Bye. djean111 Apr 2015 #67

Yes I know.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #106

Funny you used the capital O for zero hootinholler Apr 2015 #70

No actually he didn't.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #108

It's Democratic primary voters who are going to matter. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #104

People power has won before. hifiguy Apr 2015 #24

Cory Aquino ran against a 15 year dictatorship... brooklynite Apr 2015 #88

Is "be realistic" a code for "Don't fuck this up for Hillary"? Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #26

Bingo!!!!!! djean111 Apr 2015 #31

Eeyup. nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #38

same with obama Enrique Apr 2015 #28

There's NO WAY someone with the middle name "Hussein" will be elected President! [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #188

Frankly, I don't care whether he's a tough sell or not. If Bernie wants to run... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #29

Where does it say he is BECOMING a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #32

It's "Welcome to the Party!" as in "Hey, can I get you something to drink?" cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #43

My knees are fine....and they are both Democrats...imagine that! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #50

Nope Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #114

It doesn't matter...he is not planning to become a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #30

Baloney think Apr 2015 #36

He can run in the Democratic Primary without becoming a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #53

America is in desperate need of a real leader, Bernie has the fire that would appeal to Americans AZ Progressive Apr 2015 #35

That will be his most appealing quality to people who aren't already his fans. hifiguy Apr 2015 #41

Also, the fact that he's been taking unscreened calls from listeners on the Thom Hartmann show for smokey nj Apr 2015 #49

I say let Bernie become a Democrat and run in the primary, so the votes can decide that. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #42

Well, Hillary is a loser ... earthside Apr 2015 #44

Well, that sorting out is part of what primaries do...let us allow it to work. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #45

Wow, that sound like a good idea still_one Apr 2015 #69

The toughest sell. Not interested in another Nader style run for POTUS. Bernie appeal to the same Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #46

Why shouldn't Nader voters be mainstreamed in the democratic party betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #97

Well, I won't personally attack you as did me, but I'd like you to point out where I "pretended to Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #164

And many of us are not interested in another Bob Dole mimic running under the D flag LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #130

Bloomberg.com: Millennials Favor Hillary Clinton in Harvard Poll Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #162

*sniff**sniff* Smell that? Smells just like it did in 2007 LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #163

*sniff**sniff* Smell that? 2016. Young & black folks, you know, the base? Loved Barack Obama. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #166

Compared to who? Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #52

Here is where I stand: Raine1967 Apr 2015 #55

Nobody thought a black man with the middle name Hussein could win either n2doc Apr 2015 #56

You're right, he's not a black guy with Saddam's middle name. arcane1 Apr 2015 #57

Really like your message text sentence. bigwillq Apr 2015 #62

Nonsense corporate talking points. The nation is hungry for someone who will woo me with science Apr 2015 #59

+1000000 Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #115

+ approximately one trillion LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #133

+1, well said. /nt Marr Apr 2015 #137

He should run. Don't vote for him if you don't like his policies. n/t Throd Apr 2015 #61

You Might Wanna Read This... WillyT Apr 2015 #64

That was a great read, WillyT� I recall those days... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #81

Bernie bad A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #65

Would you say the same thing if Elizabeth Warren decided to run? What about Biden, O'Malley, still_one Apr 2015 #68

Warren is much more appealing than all those names with the exception of Veep Biden. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #77

Actually what Bernie brings to the table will be to keep the candidates honest. There will be no still_one Apr 2015 #84

Without a doubt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #87

By listening to him. LeftOfWest Apr 2015 #96

Very,very good and important point. n/t patricia92243 Apr 2015 #98

I think that the slobbering myopia of the current Republicans is much harder sell Scootaloo Apr 2015 #76

Actually, the average American is pretty stupid. Wisconsin, Florida, Iowa, are just a few of the still_one Apr 2015 #91

Your point is that sanders is bad because Republicans won't vote for him? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #178

Where did I say that? I am all for Bernie. Boy that is quite a leap, like huh, where did still_one Apr 2015 #209

Beg to disagree about "the appeal" MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #78

And that is how the PTB makes us afraid to support real progressives Marrah_G Apr 2015 #79

Senator Sanders not only CAN win... 99Forever Apr 2015 #80

Fortunately you don't get to decide what is "realistic" for everyone else. L0oniX Apr 2015 #83

Yawn. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #89

Folks on the street are resonating with Bernie's message in a big way. Zorra Apr 2015 #90

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #109

I think anyone that listens to Bernie will be in for a great suprise newfie11 Apr 2015 #92

Please don't get me wrong vankuria Apr 2015 #94

The voters can make that decision for themselves betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #95

he'll win if people vote for him... mike_c Apr 2015 #99

Love him but I don't think he can win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #103

If everyone who says this votes for him, he'll win in a landslide. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #192

Maybe. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #193

I think progressives are collectively shooting ourselves in the foot. Maedhros Apr 2015 #194

Let's *see* if he can "sell". Smarmie Doofus Apr 2015 #105

Because they're afraid he WILL sell is my guess. smokey nj Apr 2015 #110

Agree, but... Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #111

So you don't even want him in the primaries? Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 #112

Point to the line where the OP said Bernie should get in the race... brooklynite Apr 2015 #119

What an attempt to denigrate the conversation Hutzpa Apr 2015 #121

Yeah, right Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 #181

Nope, was trying to make it much more convenient for you. Hutzpa Apr 2015 #184

Well there is no way to know, unless he tries it. Agschmid Apr 2015 #116

It's up to us! G_j Apr 2015 #118

Maybe he ought to run for president or something... Orsino Apr 2015 #122

When it comes to the General Elections Hutzpa Apr 2015 #123

Yep. Orsino Apr 2015 #125

Well then you better work to make sure someone else is the primary winner! Rex Apr 2015 #124

And so will I brooklynite Apr 2015 #131

In 2004, I wouldn't have believed that a black man with a name that recalled our two biggest Marr Apr 2015 #132

Yes, but that black man was able to excite people Hutzpa Apr 2015 #140

Not to mention, we were coming off the WORST administration we had seen in some time. zappaman Apr 2015 #142

Oh, Obama had charisma to spare, no doubt. Marr Apr 2015 #144

Be careful as you will be described as throwing a fit treestar Apr 2015 #138

btw... this is not the moment to be "realistic". we are in a comfortable place with our candidates. seabeyond Apr 2015 #143

Let's let the Democratic primary process transpire as it should. herding cats Apr 2015 #145

He'll appeal to those who don't think the gov't should be owned by corporations... polichick Apr 2015 #151

Bless him?! Bless you. You are riding this fast train all by your lonesome. I prefer to watch the Hiraeth Apr 2015 #154

I think the same about Hillary. It's up to primary voters and super delegates. merrily Apr 2015 #155

He damn well may win NH. bunnies Apr 2015 #157

I love Bernie also Gothmog Apr 2015 #158

Populism has mass appeal. Centralist democrats have been using populism to get elected liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #168

I think we could run a wet paper sack with a Hitler mustache against the GOP rabble and win. Chan790 Apr 2015 #175

That's a lot of confidence you are showing there Chan Hutzpa Apr 2015 #179

I would love to hear Bernie ... Exilednight Apr 2015 #186

Agreed Hutzpa Apr 2015 #191

It's hard not to be confident. Chan790 Apr 2015 #187

Does that include the GOP gerrymandering? Hutzpa Apr 2015 #190

OK, Thanks for your opinion... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #182

as an old discheveled socialist male myself olddots Apr 2015 #183

And to whom will Sen. Sanders be a tough sell? Orsino Apr 2015 #197

Perhaps the banks and MIC whom he pretty much scorns. eom Cleita Apr 2015 #204

Thank you oh practical, realistic one ... TBF Apr 2015 #201

Bernie has not tried to sell himself yet. He is popular with his Vermonters and Cleita Apr 2015 #202

No, he can't win, but he can make a positive contribution to the primary process. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #203

Primary HassleCat Apr 2015 #205

I think he appeals to LWolf Apr 2015 #208

Richard Nixon is my reply . . n t fadedrose Apr 2015 #212