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In reply to the discussion: Obama is making some profound comments re Baltimore and elsewhere right now [View all]Cha
(321,315 posts)36. Mahalo malaise.. the full transcript..
With respect to Baltimore, let me make a couple of points. First, obviously our thoughts continue to be with the family of Freddie Gray. Understandably, they want answers. And DOJ has opened an investigation. It is working with local law enforcement to find out exactly what happened, and I think there should be full transparency and accountability.
Second, my thoughts are with the police officers who were injured in last nights disturbances. It underscores that thats a tough job and we have to keep that in mind, and my hope is that they can heal and get back to work as soon as possible.
Point number three, theres no excuse for the kind of violence that we saw yesterday. It is counterproductive. When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, theyre not protesting, theyre not making a statement theyre stealing. When they burn down a building, theyre committing arson. And theyre destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities that rob jobs and opportunity from people in that area.
So it is entirely appropriate that the mayor of Baltimore, who I spoke to yesterday, and the governor, who I spoke to yesterday, work to stop that kind of senseless violence and destruction. That is not a protest. That is not a statement. Its people a handful of people taking advantage of a situation for their own purposes, and they need to be treated as criminals.
Point number four, the violence that happened yesterday distracted from the fact that you had seen multiple days of peaceful protests that were focused on entirely legitimate concerns of these communities in Baltimore, led by clergy and community leaders. And they were constructive and they were thoughtful, and frankly, didnt get that much attention. And one burning building will be looped on television over and over and over again, and the thousands of demonstrators who did it the right way I think have been lost in the discussion.
The overwhelming majority of the community in Baltimore I think have handled this appropriately, expressing real concern and outrage over the possibility that our laws were not applied evenly in the case of Mr. Gray, and that accountability needs to exist. And I think we have to give them credit. My understanding is, is youve got some of the same organizers now going back into these communities to try to clean up in the aftermath of a handful of criminals and thugs who tore up the place. What they were doing, what those community leaders and clergy and others were doing, that is a statement. Thats the kind of organizing that needs to take place if were going to tackle this problem. And they deserve credit for it, and we should be lifting them up.
Point number five and Ive got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals primarily African American, often poor in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think its pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What Id say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldnt pretend that its new.
The good news is, is that perhaps theres some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.
Whats also good news is the task force that was made up of law enforcement and community activists that we brought together here in the White House have come up with very constructive concrete proposals that, if adopted by local communities and by states and by counties, by law enforcement generally, would make a difference. It wouldnt solve every problem, but would make a concrete difference in rebuilding trust and making sure that the overwhelming majority of effective, honest and fair law enforcement officers, that theyre able to do their job better because it will weed out or retrain or put a stop to those handful who may be not doing what theyre supposed to be doing.
Now, the challenge for us as the federal government is, is that we dont run these police forces. I cant federalize every police force in the country and force them to retrain. But what I can do is to start working with them collaboratively so that they can begin this process of change themselves.
And coming out of the task force that we put together, were now working with local communities. The Department of Justice has just announced a grant program for those jurisdictions that want to purchase body cameras. We are going to be issuing grants for those jurisdictions that are prepared to start trying to implement some of the new training and data collection and other things that can make a difference. And were going to keep on working with those local jurisdictions so that they can begin to make the changes that are necessary.
I think its going to be important for organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police and other police unions and organization to acknowledge that this is not good for police. We have to own up to the fact that occasionally there are going to be problems here, just as there are in every other occupation. There are some bad politicians who are corrupt. There are folks in the business community or on Wall Street who dont do the right thing. Well, theres some police who arent doing the right thing. And rather than close ranks, what weve seen is a number of thoughtful police chiefs and commissioners and others recognize they got to get their arms around this thing and work together with the community to solve the problem. And were committed to facilitating that process.
So the heads of our COPS agency that helps with community policing, theyre already out in Baltimore. Our Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division is already out in Baltimore. But were going to be working systematically with every city and jurisdiction around the country to try to help them implement some solutions that we know work.
And Ill make my final point Im sorry, Mr. Prime Minister, but this is a pretty important issue for us.
We cant just leave this to the police. I think there are police departments that have to do some soul searching. I think there are some communities that have to do some soul searching. But I think we, as a country, have to do some soul searching. This is not new. Its been going on for decades.
And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; theyve got parents often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves cant do right by their kids; if its more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where theres no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks in those environments, if we think that were just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then were not going to solve this problem. And well go through the same cycles of periodic conflicts between the police and communities and the occasional riots in the streets, and everybody will feign concern until it goes away, and then we go about our business as usual.
If we are serious about solving this problem, then were going to not only have to help the police, were going to have to think about what can we do the rest of us to make sure that were providing early education to these kids; to make sure that were reforming our criminal justice system so its not just a pipeline from schools to prisons; so that were not rendering men in these communities unemployable because of a felony record for a nonviolent drug offense; that were making investments so that they can get the training they need to find jobs. Thats hard. That requires more than just the occasional news report or task force. And theres a bunch of my agenda that would make a difference right now in that.
Now, Im under no illusion that out of this Congress were going to get massive investments in urban communities, and so well try to find areas where we can make a difference around school reform and around job training, and around some investments in infrastructure in these communities trying to attract new businesses in.
But if we really want to solve the problem, if our society really wanted to solve the problem, we could. Its just it would require everybody saying this is important, this is significant and that we dont just pay attention to these communities when a CVS burns, and we dont just pay attention when a young man gets shot or has his spine snapped. Were paying attention all the time because we consider those kids our kids, and we think theyre important. And they shouldnt be living in poverty and violence.
Thats how I feel. I think there are a lot of good-meaning people around the country that feel that way. But that kind of political mobilization I think we havent seen in quite some time. And what Ive tried to do is to promote those ideas that would make a difference. But I think we all understand that the politics of that are tough because its easy to ignore those problems or to treat them just as a law and order issue, as opposed to a broader social issue.
That was a really long answer, but I felt pretty strongly about it.
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/28/the-presidents-remarks-on-baltimore/
Second, my thoughts are with the police officers who were injured in last nights disturbances. It underscores that thats a tough job and we have to keep that in mind, and my hope is that they can heal and get back to work as soon as possible.
Point number three, theres no excuse for the kind of violence that we saw yesterday. It is counterproductive. When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, theyre not protesting, theyre not making a statement theyre stealing. When they burn down a building, theyre committing arson. And theyre destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities that rob jobs and opportunity from people in that area.
So it is entirely appropriate that the mayor of Baltimore, who I spoke to yesterday, and the governor, who I spoke to yesterday, work to stop that kind of senseless violence and destruction. That is not a protest. That is not a statement. Its people a handful of people taking advantage of a situation for their own purposes, and they need to be treated as criminals.
Point number four, the violence that happened yesterday distracted from the fact that you had seen multiple days of peaceful protests that were focused on entirely legitimate concerns of these communities in Baltimore, led by clergy and community leaders. And they were constructive and they were thoughtful, and frankly, didnt get that much attention. And one burning building will be looped on television over and over and over again, and the thousands of demonstrators who did it the right way I think have been lost in the discussion.
The overwhelming majority of the community in Baltimore I think have handled this appropriately, expressing real concern and outrage over the possibility that our laws were not applied evenly in the case of Mr. Gray, and that accountability needs to exist. And I think we have to give them credit. My understanding is, is youve got some of the same organizers now going back into these communities to try to clean up in the aftermath of a handful of criminals and thugs who tore up the place. What they were doing, what those community leaders and clergy and others were doing, that is a statement. Thats the kind of organizing that needs to take place if were going to tackle this problem. And they deserve credit for it, and we should be lifting them up.
Point number five and Ive got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals primarily African American, often poor in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think its pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What Id say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldnt pretend that its new.
The good news is, is that perhaps theres some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.
Whats also good news is the task force that was made up of law enforcement and community activists that we brought together here in the White House have come up with very constructive concrete proposals that, if adopted by local communities and by states and by counties, by law enforcement generally, would make a difference. It wouldnt solve every problem, but would make a concrete difference in rebuilding trust and making sure that the overwhelming majority of effective, honest and fair law enforcement officers, that theyre able to do their job better because it will weed out or retrain or put a stop to those handful who may be not doing what theyre supposed to be doing.
Now, the challenge for us as the federal government is, is that we dont run these police forces. I cant federalize every police force in the country and force them to retrain. But what I can do is to start working with them collaboratively so that they can begin this process of change themselves.
And coming out of the task force that we put together, were now working with local communities. The Department of Justice has just announced a grant program for those jurisdictions that want to purchase body cameras. We are going to be issuing grants for those jurisdictions that are prepared to start trying to implement some of the new training and data collection and other things that can make a difference. And were going to keep on working with those local jurisdictions so that they can begin to make the changes that are necessary.
I think its going to be important for organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police and other police unions and organization to acknowledge that this is not good for police. We have to own up to the fact that occasionally there are going to be problems here, just as there are in every other occupation. There are some bad politicians who are corrupt. There are folks in the business community or on Wall Street who dont do the right thing. Well, theres some police who arent doing the right thing. And rather than close ranks, what weve seen is a number of thoughtful police chiefs and commissioners and others recognize they got to get their arms around this thing and work together with the community to solve the problem. And were committed to facilitating that process.
So the heads of our COPS agency that helps with community policing, theyre already out in Baltimore. Our Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division is already out in Baltimore. But were going to be working systematically with every city and jurisdiction around the country to try to help them implement some solutions that we know work.
And Ill make my final point Im sorry, Mr. Prime Minister, but this is a pretty important issue for us.
We cant just leave this to the police. I think there are police departments that have to do some soul searching. I think there are some communities that have to do some soul searching. But I think we, as a country, have to do some soul searching. This is not new. Its been going on for decades.
And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; theyve got parents often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves cant do right by their kids; if its more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where theres no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks in those environments, if we think that were just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then were not going to solve this problem. And well go through the same cycles of periodic conflicts between the police and communities and the occasional riots in the streets, and everybody will feign concern until it goes away, and then we go about our business as usual.
If we are serious about solving this problem, then were going to not only have to help the police, were going to have to think about what can we do the rest of us to make sure that were providing early education to these kids; to make sure that were reforming our criminal justice system so its not just a pipeline from schools to prisons; so that were not rendering men in these communities unemployable because of a felony record for a nonviolent drug offense; that were making investments so that they can get the training they need to find jobs. Thats hard. That requires more than just the occasional news report or task force. And theres a bunch of my agenda that would make a difference right now in that.
Now, Im under no illusion that out of this Congress were going to get massive investments in urban communities, and so well try to find areas where we can make a difference around school reform and around job training, and around some investments in infrastructure in these communities trying to attract new businesses in.
But if we really want to solve the problem, if our society really wanted to solve the problem, we could. Its just it would require everybody saying this is important, this is significant and that we dont just pay attention to these communities when a CVS burns, and we dont just pay attention when a young man gets shot or has his spine snapped. Were paying attention all the time because we consider those kids our kids, and we think theyre important. And they shouldnt be living in poverty and violence.
Thats how I feel. I think there are a lot of good-meaning people around the country that feel that way. But that kind of political mobilization I think we havent seen in quite some time. And what Ive tried to do is to promote those ideas that would make a difference. But I think we all understand that the politics of that are tough because its easy to ignore those problems or to treat them just as a law and order issue, as opposed to a broader social issue.
That was a really long answer, but I felt pretty strongly about it.
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/28/the-presidents-remarks-on-baltimore/
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malaise
Apr 2015
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Actually the President cares about this deeply.. I don't think he needs outside sources for what he
Cha
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#32
"Straight out of law school, He turned down high-paying New York job offers to move to Chicago to
Cha
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#53
Get rid of piss testing people that want to work, it is economic warfare and the PTB know it.
Rex
Apr 2015
#6
I'm reading a lot about the criminality of violence, and rightly so, but the context
Joe Chi Minh
Apr 2015
#25
I will get them later on replay, cant wait. He said he is done fucking around, I believe him
NoJusticeNoPeace
Apr 2015
#27
You have no clue what the O Admn has done for the poor in our country. But, that doesn't stop your
Cha
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#35
this person doesn't have any clue ever but likes to throw ignorant pot shots. And, the Obama
Cha
Apr 2015
#49
What pissed me off about that burningbuilding in East Baltimore is that all now
malaise
Apr 2015
#45