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kpete

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Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:03 AM Apr 2015

Ruth Bader Ginsburg eviscerates same-sex marriage opponents in court [View all]


At 82, the supreme court justice cut through the question of gay marriage’s constitutionality in a way that seemed to move even her most conservative peers



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“Marriage today is not what it was under the common law tradition, under the civil law tradition,” said Ginsburg when Justices Roberts and Kennedy began to fret about whether the court had a right to challenge centuries of tradition.

“Marriage was a relationship of a dominant male to a subordinate female,” she explained. “That ended as a result of this court’s decision in 1982 when Louisiana’s Head and Master Rule was struck down … Would that be a choice that state should (still) be allowed to have? To cling to marriage the way it once was?”

“No,” replied John Bursch, the somewhat chastised lawyer for the states who are seeking to preserve their ban on gay marriage.

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In the end, her bottom line – rejecting the notion that extending marriage rights would somehow weaken the institution – was persuasive enough that even chief justice Roberts appeared sympathetic.

“All of the incentives, all of the benefits that marriage affords would still be available,” said Ginsburg. “So you’re not taking away anything from heterosexual couples. They would have the very same incentive to marry, all the benefits that come with marriage that they do now.”






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National treasure, icon, hero merrily Apr 2015 #1
I smiled and thought "Founding Mother". jwirr Apr 2015 #15
She certainly is. hifiguy Apr 2015 #42
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem Apr 2015 #61
Rational thought... Ohio Joe Apr 2015 #2
Sly old girl. Always pretends to be napping and then SNAP !! Monk06 Apr 2015 #3
She had recently been in the hospital when that SOTU camera got her. merrily Apr 2015 #17
Just a bit of literary licence. The right likes to constantly dwell on her age. They lust for her Monk06 Apr 2015 #23
I have no problem with the license or the taking of it. Just adding info for those who may have merrily Apr 2015 #27
Freepers use that incident, if you can call it that, to advocate for Ginsburg's retirement and Monk06 Apr 2015 #48
They want her to retire so Obama can appoint another Justice? merrily Apr 2015 #51
The RW hopes they get their way with the next SC pick especially with a RW congress and what they Monk06 Apr 2015 #62
Ater a second, I got that. My problem is I read and post only at DU, yet merrily Apr 2015 #63
Be thankful Cruz has his eyes on the GOP nomination. He would is more than qualified professionally Monk06 Apr 2015 #64
That's the mistake people make about Clarence Thomas. Hoppy Apr 2015 #25
Ruckus is gonna have to wake up first. hifiguy Apr 2015 #43
"She managed to raise her head from her usual drunken stupor" Midnight Writer Apr 2015 #66
I remember that one. Freepers accepted that slander as eye witness testimony. Endlessly repeated. Monk06 Apr 2015 #69
This is one reason ... surrealAmerican Apr 2015 #4
link? diddlysquat Apr 2015 #5
The text and picture look likethey came from this article at The Guardian (link within) Cerridwen Apr 2015 #8
did she drop the mic and walk away? notadmblnd Apr 2015 #6
Another great thing about her: no showboating. merrily Apr 2015 #18
You don't need to show off hifiguy Apr 2015 #45
Scalia is smart. Deceptive, but smart. For a justice, he tries too hard to draw attention merrily Apr 2015 #52
He forgets that wives had no rights.Not even inheritance or child custody bjobotts Apr 2015 #56
Wives used to be property.Is there any sex gays have that heteros don't bjobotts Apr 2015 #57
This attempt to define marriage also tries to define sex in marriage. bjobotts Apr 2015 #58
Oh, I doubt he forgets. merrily Apr 2015 #59
yes, then she made a peace sign with her fingers, kissed it, held it up and said "Peace Out." GreatGazoo Apr 2015 #21
It's gonna suck when she retires. nt City Lights Apr 2015 #7
Tell me about it. Breyer and Kagan joined the (R) clowns on the Medicaid part of the ACA decision. merrily Apr 2015 #30
She's gonna die in that job. And I don't mean that it a bad way. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #53
RBG! The sharpest mind on the SC bench. Greybnk48 Apr 2015 #9
No question. Runs circles around the rest of the court. And Clarence Thomas? Not even LuckyLib Apr 2015 #50
It is clear that four of the justices are driven totally by ideology. olegramps Apr 2015 #10
BINGO! gregcrawford Apr 2015 #13
Exactly ,,,How can there be a case ,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #26
Because, under traditional analysism, the state only has to have a rational basis Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #36
, blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #11
Our entire research budget should go toward preserving her health and quality of life Orrex Apr 2015 #12
Agreed. merrily Apr 2015 #19
I love me some Notorious RBG! eggplant Apr 2015 #14
Love it. merrily Apr 2015 #20
One side has Ruth Bader Ginsburg mythology Apr 2015 #16
The other side has that lying waste of skin, Scalia, yet he and Ginsburg love each other's company. merrily Apr 2015 #22
people with like magintudes of intelligence almost always enjoy each other's mind. Cryptoad Apr 2015 #24
Ginsburg and Scalia have like magnitudes of intelligence? rurallib Apr 2015 #29
close Cryptoad Apr 2015 #31
That may depend on what they choose to discuss. merrily Apr 2015 #33
Clarence Thomas is known to just sit and stare. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #28
Clarence Thomas is not a fool. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #60
Surprised Bursch answered that way, malthaussen Apr 2015 #32
Even Scalia has praised Justice Ginsburg.... DonViejo Apr 2015 #34
This q would never be raised had we continued to spooky3 Apr 2015 #35
RBG is one of my heros Gothmog Apr 2015 #37
I like what Justice Roberts said: ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #38
according to this article, Roberts said that. spooky3 Apr 2015 #39
Oh jeez, I have no idea how I badded that bad! I've edited my post. Thanks, spooky3. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #40
No probs! spooky3 Apr 2015 #47
That Roberts said that and asked the question in his last quoted sentence hifiguy Apr 2015 #44
Notorious RBG DebbieCDC Apr 2015 #41
I adore Justice Ginsburg Terra Alta Apr 2015 #46
Head and Master Rule in Louisiana - how truly terrible. patricia92243 Apr 2015 #49
Ruth is my kind of gal Skittles Apr 2015 #54
Slayed them! MaggieD Apr 2015 #55
Spot on! suffragette Apr 2015 #65
She laid waste to the ridiculous notion that gay marriage hurts straight marriage Novara Apr 2015 #67
She's 82? Sharp is what she is. GOLGO 13 Apr 2015 #68
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