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156. I realize *you* think she's wonderful and charming.

Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:50 PM

Apr 2015

Maybe most other people do, too-- I don't know. And neither do you.

What we do know is that her numbers have tended to erode over time as people see more of her. That, to me, does not speak of a particularly 'likeable' personality.

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We need to be realistic for a moment, I Love Bernie, bless him [View all] Hutzpa Apr 2015 OP

YOU start the discussion - why can he not win? I don't know patricia92243 Apr 2015 #1

Why can he not win? Some reasons... brooklynite Apr 2015 #85

Gonna be sad to see him lose. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #86

don't ever worry about that, Bernie is always one of the most popular cali Apr 2015 #134

. Agschmid Apr 2015 #117

Ya know, I take the long view...I think Bernie wants to inject his ideas into the CTyankee Apr 2015 #120

I actually think that *this* ^^ is the the reason Bernie is in the race Sheepshank Apr 2015 #167

Hey, GMTA! CTyankee Apr 2015 #169

At the risk of sounding kinda dumb...what is GMTA? n/t Sheepshank Apr 2015 #171

Great Minds Think Alike CTyankee Apr 2015 #172

ahhhhhh, honored. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #174

I agree...his entry changes the conversation... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #170

You could have summarized: Not right wing enough to be a Third Wayer LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #127

+1 Marr Apr 2015 #146

Ah...the S-Word. stone space Apr 2015 #128

You're welcome to challenge my assessments... brooklynite Apr 2015 #129

The S-Word doesn't bother me. stone space Apr 2015 #135

"He's too Liberal". Examples? n/t ieoeja Apr 2015 #141

Yeah, we can't afford your perspective. morningfog Apr 2015 #185

Can you afford a Republican getting elected? brooklynite Apr 2015 #198

"Hypothetically advocates Single Payer?" morningfog Apr 2015 #200

Bernie Sanders hasn't announced his campaign yet, so I'm not presuming his message brooklynite Apr 2015 #213

He's not like other candidates. His campaign platform will be consistent with his morningfog Apr 2015 #221

He's announced. And Single Payer is not a hypothetical position. morningfog Apr 2015 #222

And there it is... whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #147

He won't win because hes "too liberal" darkangel218 Apr 2015 #177

We shall see. leftofcool Apr 2015 #2

Well, I don't think Hillary has the appeal to win nationwide. But hey, this is what the djean111 Apr 2015 #3

Well, hopefully Bernie will poll as high as Hillary once he announces. leftofcool Apr 2015 #4

That's a ridiculous expectation. What we will see is Bernie polling higher and higher as more stillwaiting Apr 2015 #15

+1 daleanime Apr 2015 #18

+1 peacebird Apr 2015 #22

A lot of HRC support seems based on name-recognition polls, not on policy. djean111 Apr 2015 #27

My support of Hillary is because of her stand on the issuces, yes, I know the name but Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #75

Oh she has NO record at all that the people know anything about right? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #102

Actually, you are the one who posts about her poll results and such incessantly. 75% OF DEMOCRATS!! djean111 Apr 2015 #139

are you saying I am the only American that knows her record? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #149

Bye-bye, Ms. Non-sequitur thread-jacker. Don't roll around laughing and hurt yourself, now. djean111 Apr 2015 #165

People are finding Brand A to be more appealing. frylock Apr 2015 #113

Yep, and if history is any indication, her numbers will slowly erode over time, as people Marr Apr 2015 #136

If history has shown ANYTHING....its that NOBODY has EVER had these numbers in recorded history.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #150

I realize *you* think she's wonderful and charming. Marr Apr 2015 #156

I realize YOU don't realize that MOST people agree with me not you about Hillary Clinton! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #160

"You're likeable enough, Hillary>" merrily Apr 2015 #161

and HOW Long HAS Bernie been a Senator now? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #153

Too many Americans can't even name their OWN senators. arcane1 Apr 2015 #176

and that proves my point.....he hasn't even made an impression on them in ALL this time VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #195

They knew who Obama was. nt hack89 Apr 2015 #210

Once he started getting nationwide media attention, yes. arcane1 Apr 2015 #211

No - well before that hack89 Apr 2015 #214

That "splash" was, by definition, media attention, since the convention is broadcast nation-wide. arcane1 Apr 2015 #215

The point is Bernie is starting in a huge hole hack89 Apr 2015 #216

Agreed! I donated to him today, and he's been putting something together for months now. arcane1 Apr 2015 #217

Have fun. I have always enjoyed political campaigns. Nt hack89 Apr 2015 #218

She's going to have a 50 state organization. She's been preparing this for years. pnwmom Apr 2015 #19

With people like me who will work for him, people who don't trust HRC peacebird Apr 2015 #25

Me as well. And he can have my money after my bills are paid. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #206

and with NO money to boot! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #152

One needn't be rich or corporate-financed to run for president. And Bush would get his ass kicked :) arcane1 Apr 2015 #219

You are right...you don't need it to run... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #220

I say we (verb)Primary Bernie seveneyes Apr 2015 #5

I think he definitely has the appeal to win. Maedhros Apr 2015 #6

There it is in a nut shell. JEB Apr 2015 #93

I think we can sell him and bless you too. Autumn Apr 2015 #7

He voted against our pre-emptive war and calls out corporate malfeasance without waivering. think Apr 2015 #8

Sure Hutzpa Apr 2015 #11

Bernie. Authentic is more appealing than pragmatic. peacebird Apr 2015 #33

Real issues & solutions might actually appeal to the youth over the usual pandering and charades think Apr 2015 #66

No, Bernie's stance on ECONOMIC issues is what propels him above Hillary LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #82

Social issues? Marr Apr 2015 #148

Who wants those messy issues? Mnpaul Apr 2015 #73

Greenspan was one Ayn Rands acolytes Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #100

The biggest challenge is he will be swamped over by Hillary Clinton's money Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #9

Completely agree LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #126

I think we think what the tv tells us to think: "I love Bernie, but I must be the only one" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #10

I don't think anyone should underestimate the very good Senator nor the American voter. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #12

Not about him winning. He knows the likelihood is he wont, but you never know. What it is NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #13

I think he want to ensure that Hilary has to deal with his issues IphengeniaBlumgarten Apr 2015 #54

This ^ ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #101

I stopped at "bless him." ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #14

..... bigwillq Apr 2015 #107

Thank you. Although I had to add my 2 cents below. GMTA. Hiraeth Apr 2015 #159

i like the, we shall see, mode. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #16

gosh I just don't give a shit about that. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #17

I think it more about using wisdom than using our hearts to think Hutzpa Apr 2015 #20

You are asking which of the two republicans would I like elected. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #21

+1000 peacebird Apr 2015 #37

We had this same problem with Kerry in '04 Hutzpa Apr 2015 #39

Sorry no, my goal is to change the system. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #47

What is unsustainable criminal endeavor? Hutzpa Apr 2015 #51

The current system. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #63

"The Raw Deal." hifiguy Apr 2015 #72

And you feel strongly that Bernie will be able to change that Hutzpa Apr 2015 #74

Stealing "The Raw Deal" GoneOffShore Apr 2015 #199

Please propagate everywhere. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #207

This. I am done, in Jerry Seinfeld's words, hifiguy Apr 2015 #71

Dems are NOT Reps......not by a long shot Sheepshank Apr 2015 #173

No, I'll vote for the other republican in the race. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #180

nope...they are not the same. your trite couplet is just wrong Sheepshank Apr 2015 #189

Where did I say they were the same? Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #196

You really should get to know him better hootinholler Apr 2015 #23

You still think the American voting public is like DU don't you? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #34

When did I ever think that? hootinholler Apr 2015 #40

You seem to think its going to be easy for Bernie....perhaps you should find out more about the VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #48

Well then, no need for you to keep repeating yourself in threads about Bernie, I would think! djean111 Apr 2015 #58

Why...does the truth bother you to hear? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #60

Bwah! You are funny! And that's all the thread-jacking I will enable for today. Bye. djean111 Apr 2015 #67

Yes I know.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #106

Funny you used the capital O for zero hootinholler Apr 2015 #70

No actually he didn't.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #108

It's Democratic primary voters who are going to matter. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #104

People power has won before. hifiguy Apr 2015 #24

Cory Aquino ran against a 15 year dictatorship... brooklynite Apr 2015 #88

Is "be realistic" a code for "Don't fuck this up for Hillary"? Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #26

Bingo!!!!!! djean111 Apr 2015 #31

Eeyup. nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #38

same with obama Enrique Apr 2015 #28

There's NO WAY someone with the middle name "Hussein" will be elected President! [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #188

Frankly, I don't care whether he's a tough sell or not. If Bernie wants to run... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #29

Where does it say he is BECOMING a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #32

It's "Welcome to the Party!" as in "Hey, can I get you something to drink?" cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #43

My knees are fine....and they are both Democrats...imagine that! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #50

Nope Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #114

It doesn't matter...he is not planning to become a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #30

Baloney think Apr 2015 #36

He can run in the Democratic Primary without becoming a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #53

America is in desperate need of a real leader, Bernie has the fire that would appeal to Americans AZ Progressive Apr 2015 #35

That will be his most appealing quality to people who aren't already his fans. hifiguy Apr 2015 #41

Also, the fact that he's been taking unscreened calls from listeners on the Thom Hartmann show for smokey nj Apr 2015 #49

I say let Bernie become a Democrat and run in the primary, so the votes can decide that. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #42

Well, Hillary is a loser ... earthside Apr 2015 #44

Well, that sorting out is part of what primaries do...let us allow it to work. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #45

Wow, that sound like a good idea still_one Apr 2015 #69

The toughest sell. Not interested in another Nader style run for POTUS. Bernie appeal to the same Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #46

Why shouldn't Nader voters be mainstreamed in the democratic party betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #97

Well, I won't personally attack you as did me, but I'd like you to point out where I "pretended to Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #164

And many of us are not interested in another Bob Dole mimic running under the D flag LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #130

Bloomberg.com: Millennials Favor Hillary Clinton in Harvard Poll Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #162

*sniff**sniff* Smell that? Smells just like it did in 2007 LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #163

*sniff**sniff* Smell that? 2016. Young & black folks, you know, the base? Loved Barack Obama. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #166

Compared to who? Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #52

Here is where I stand: Raine1967 Apr 2015 #55

Nobody thought a black man with the middle name Hussein could win either n2doc Apr 2015 #56

You're right, he's not a black guy with Saddam's middle name. arcane1 Apr 2015 #57

Really like your message text sentence. bigwillq Apr 2015 #62

Nonsense corporate talking points. The nation is hungry for someone who will woo me with science Apr 2015 #59

+1000000 Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #115

+ approximately one trillion LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #133

+1, well said. /nt Marr Apr 2015 #137

He should run. Don't vote for him if you don't like his policies. n/t Throd Apr 2015 #61

You Might Wanna Read This... WillyT Apr 2015 #64

That was a great read, WillyT� I recall those days... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #81

Bernie bad A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #65

Would you say the same thing if Elizabeth Warren decided to run? What about Biden, O'Malley, still_one Apr 2015 #68

Warren is much more appealing than all those names with the exception of Veep Biden. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #77

Actually what Bernie brings to the table will be to keep the candidates honest. There will be no still_one Apr 2015 #84

Without a doubt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #87

By listening to him. LeftOfWest Apr 2015 #96

Very,very good and important point. n/t patricia92243 Apr 2015 #98

I think that the slobbering myopia of the current Republicans is much harder sell Scootaloo Apr 2015 #76

Actually, the average American is pretty stupid. Wisconsin, Florida, Iowa, are just a few of the still_one Apr 2015 #91

Your point is that sanders is bad because Republicans won't vote for him? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #178

Where did I say that? I am all for Bernie. Boy that is quite a leap, like huh, where did still_one Apr 2015 #209

Beg to disagree about "the appeal" MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #78

And that is how the PTB makes us afraid to support real progressives Marrah_G Apr 2015 #79

Senator Sanders not only CAN win... 99Forever Apr 2015 #80

Fortunately you don't get to decide what is "realistic" for everyone else. L0oniX Apr 2015 #83

Yawn. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #89

Folks on the street are resonating with Bernie's message in a big way. Zorra Apr 2015 #90

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #109

I think anyone that listens to Bernie will be in for a great suprise newfie11 Apr 2015 #92

Please don't get me wrong vankuria Apr 2015 #94

The voters can make that decision for themselves betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #95

he'll win if people vote for him... mike_c Apr 2015 #99

Love him but I don't think he can win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #103

If everyone who says this votes for him, he'll win in a landslide. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #192

Maybe. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #193

I think progressives are collectively shooting ourselves in the foot. Maedhros Apr 2015 #194

Let's *see* if he can "sell". Smarmie Doofus Apr 2015 #105

Because they're afraid he WILL sell is my guess. smokey nj Apr 2015 #110

Agree, but... Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #111

So you don't even want him in the primaries? Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 #112

Point to the line where the OP said Bernie should get in the race... brooklynite Apr 2015 #119

What an attempt to denigrate the conversation Hutzpa Apr 2015 #121

Yeah, right Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 #181

Nope, was trying to make it much more convenient for you. Hutzpa Apr 2015 #184

Well there is no way to know, unless he tries it. Agschmid Apr 2015 #116

It's up to us! G_j Apr 2015 #118

Maybe he ought to run for president or something... Orsino Apr 2015 #122

When it comes to the General Elections Hutzpa Apr 2015 #123

Yep. Orsino Apr 2015 #125

Well then you better work to make sure someone else is the primary winner! Rex Apr 2015 #124

And so will I brooklynite Apr 2015 #131

In 2004, I wouldn't have believed that a black man with a name that recalled our two biggest Marr Apr 2015 #132

Yes, but that black man was able to excite people Hutzpa Apr 2015 #140

Not to mention, we were coming off the WORST administration we had seen in some time. zappaman Apr 2015 #142

Oh, Obama had charisma to spare, no doubt. Marr Apr 2015 #144

Be careful as you will be described as throwing a fit treestar Apr 2015 #138

btw... this is not the moment to be "realistic". we are in a comfortable place with our candidates. seabeyond Apr 2015 #143

Let's let the Democratic primary process transpire as it should. herding cats Apr 2015 #145

He'll appeal to those who don't think the gov't should be owned by corporations... polichick Apr 2015 #151

Bless him?! Bless you. You are riding this fast train all by your lonesome. I prefer to watch the Hiraeth Apr 2015 #154

I think the same about Hillary. It's up to primary voters and super delegates. merrily Apr 2015 #155

He damn well may win NH. bunnies Apr 2015 #157

I love Bernie also Gothmog Apr 2015 #158

Populism has mass appeal. Centralist democrats have been using populism to get elected liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #168

I think we could run a wet paper sack with a Hitler mustache against the GOP rabble and win. Chan790 Apr 2015 #175

That's a lot of confidence you are showing there Chan Hutzpa Apr 2015 #179

I would love to hear Bernie ... Exilednight Apr 2015 #186

Agreed Hutzpa Apr 2015 #191

It's hard not to be confident. Chan790 Apr 2015 #187

Does that include the GOP gerrymandering? Hutzpa Apr 2015 #190

OK, Thanks for your opinion... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #182

as an old discheveled socialist male myself olddots Apr 2015 #183

And to whom will Sen. Sanders be a tough sell? Orsino Apr 2015 #197

Perhaps the banks and MIC whom he pretty much scorns. eom Cleita Apr 2015 #204

Thank you oh practical, realistic one ... TBF Apr 2015 #201

Bernie has not tried to sell himself yet. He is popular with his Vermonters and Cleita Apr 2015 #202

No, he can't win, but he can make a positive contribution to the primary process. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #203

Primary HassleCat Apr 2015 #205

I think he appeals to LWolf Apr 2015 #208

Richard Nixon is my reply . . n t fadedrose Apr 2015 #212