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In reply to the discussion: The hideous white hypocrisy behind the Baltimore “Hero Mom” hype: How clueless media applause excuse [View all]libdem4life
(13,877 posts)19. Some think the Police started it: Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think
Now we know when violence is OK...when it's a parent who has lost control...just fine. Not.
Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think
Baltimore teachers and parents tell a different story from the one you've been reading in the media.
Edit: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/how-baltimore-riots-began-mondawmin-purge
By Sam Brodey and Jenna McLaughlin
| Tue Apr. 28, 2015 6:00 PM EDT
Patrick Semansky/AP
After Baltimore police and a crowd of teens clashed near the Mondawmin Mall in northwest Baltimore on Monday afternoon, news reports described the violence as a riot triggered by kids who had been itching for a fight all day. But in interviews with Mother Jones and other media outlets, teachers and parents maintain that police actions inflamed a tense-but-stable situation.
More coverage of the protests in Baltimore.
Orioles Exec: It's Inequality, Stupid
The funeral of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man who died in police custody this month, had ended hours earlier at a nearby church. According to the Baltimore Sun, a call to "purge"a reference to the 2013 dystopian film in which all crime is made legal for one nightcirculated on social media among school-aged Baltimoreans that morning. The rumored planwhich was not traced to any specific person or groupwas to assemble at the Mondawmin Mall at 3:00 p.m. and proceed down Pennsylvania Avenue toward downtown Baltimore. The Baltimore police department, which was aware of the "purge" call, prepared for the worst. Shortly before noon, the department issued a statement saying it had "received credible information that members of various gangs have entered into a partnership to 'take-out' law enforcement officers."
When school let out that afternoon, police were in the area equipped with full riot gear. According to eyewitnesses in the Mondawmin neighborhood, the police were stopping busses and forcing riders, including many students who were trying to get home, to disembark. Cops shut down the local subway stop. They also blockaded roads near the Mondawmin Mall and Frederick Douglass High School, which is across the street from the mall, and essentially corralled young people in the area. That is, they did not allow the after-school crowd to disperse.
Meghann Harris, a teacher at a nearby school, described on Facebook what happened:
Police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear, marching toward any small social clique of students It looked as if there were hundreds of cops.
The kids were "standing around in groups of 3-4," Harris said in a Facebook message to Mother Jones. "They weren't doing anything. No rock throwing, nothing The cops started marching toward groups of kids who were just milling about."
A teacher at Douglass High School, who asked not to be identified, tells a similar story: "When school was winding down, many students were leaving early with their parents or of their own accord." Those who didn't depart early, she says, were stranded. Many of the students still at school at that point, she notes, wanted to get out of the area and avoid any Purge-like violence. Some were requesting rides home from teachers. But by now, it was difficult to leave the neighborhood. "I rode with another teacher home," this teacher recalls, "and we had to route our travel around the police in riot gear blocking the road The majority of my students thought what was going to happen was stupid or were frightened at the idea. Very few seemed to want to participate in 'the purge.'"
A parent who picked up his children from a nearby elementary school, says via Twitter, "The kids stood across from the police and looked like they were asking them 'why can't we get on the buses' but the police were just gazing Majority of those kids aren't from around that neighborhood. They NEED those buses and trains in order to get home." He continued: "If they would've let them children go home, yesterday wouldn't have even turned out like that."
Meg Gibson, another Baltimore teacher, described a similar scene to Gawker: "The riot police were already at the bus stop on the other side of the mall, turning buses that transport the students away, not allowing students to board. They were waiting for the kids. Those kids were set up, they were treated like criminals before the first brick was thrown." With police unloading busses, and with the nearby metro station shut down, there were few ways for students to clear out.
Several eyewitnesses in the area that afternoon say that police seemed to arrive at Mondawmin anticipating mobs and violenceprior to any looting. At 3:01 p.m., the Baltimore Police Department posted on its Facebook page: "There is a group of juveniles in the area of Mondawmin Mall. Expect traffic delays in the area." But many of the kids, according to eyewitnesses, were stuck there because of police actions.
The Baltimore Police Department did not respond to requests for comment.
Around 3:30, the police reported that juveniles had begun to throw bottles and bricks. Fifteen minutes later, the police department noted that one of its officers had been injured. After that the violence escalated, and rioters started looting the Mondawmin Mall, and Baltimore was in for a long night of trouble and violence. But as the event is reviewed and investigated, an important question warrants attention: What might have happened had the police not prevented students from leaving the area? Did the department's own actions increase the chances of conflict?
As Meghann Harris put it, "if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too."
On social media, eyewitnesses chronicled the dramatic police presence before the rioting began:
Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think
Baltimore teachers and parents tell a different story from the one you've been reading in the media.
Edit: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/how-baltimore-riots-began-mondawmin-purge
By Sam Brodey and Jenna McLaughlin
| Tue Apr. 28, 2015 6:00 PM EDT
Patrick Semansky/AP
After Baltimore police and a crowd of teens clashed near the Mondawmin Mall in northwest Baltimore on Monday afternoon, news reports described the violence as a riot triggered by kids who had been itching for a fight all day. But in interviews with Mother Jones and other media outlets, teachers and parents maintain that police actions inflamed a tense-but-stable situation.
More coverage of the protests in Baltimore.
Orioles Exec: It's Inequality, Stupid
The funeral of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man who died in police custody this month, had ended hours earlier at a nearby church. According to the Baltimore Sun, a call to "purge"a reference to the 2013 dystopian film in which all crime is made legal for one nightcirculated on social media among school-aged Baltimoreans that morning. The rumored planwhich was not traced to any specific person or groupwas to assemble at the Mondawmin Mall at 3:00 p.m. and proceed down Pennsylvania Avenue toward downtown Baltimore. The Baltimore police department, which was aware of the "purge" call, prepared for the worst. Shortly before noon, the department issued a statement saying it had "received credible information that members of various gangs have entered into a partnership to 'take-out' law enforcement officers."
When school let out that afternoon, police were in the area equipped with full riot gear. According to eyewitnesses in the Mondawmin neighborhood, the police were stopping busses and forcing riders, including many students who were trying to get home, to disembark. Cops shut down the local subway stop. They also blockaded roads near the Mondawmin Mall and Frederick Douglass High School, which is across the street from the mall, and essentially corralled young people in the area. That is, they did not allow the after-school crowd to disperse.
Meghann Harris, a teacher at a nearby school, described on Facebook what happened:
Police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear, marching toward any small social clique of students It looked as if there were hundreds of cops.
The kids were "standing around in groups of 3-4," Harris said in a Facebook message to Mother Jones. "They weren't doing anything. No rock throwing, nothing The cops started marching toward groups of kids who were just milling about."
A teacher at Douglass High School, who asked not to be identified, tells a similar story: "When school was winding down, many students were leaving early with their parents or of their own accord." Those who didn't depart early, she says, were stranded. Many of the students still at school at that point, she notes, wanted to get out of the area and avoid any Purge-like violence. Some were requesting rides home from teachers. But by now, it was difficult to leave the neighborhood. "I rode with another teacher home," this teacher recalls, "and we had to route our travel around the police in riot gear blocking the road The majority of my students thought what was going to happen was stupid or were frightened at the idea. Very few seemed to want to participate in 'the purge.'"
A parent who picked up his children from a nearby elementary school, says via Twitter, "The kids stood across from the police and looked like they were asking them 'why can't we get on the buses' but the police were just gazing Majority of those kids aren't from around that neighborhood. They NEED those buses and trains in order to get home." He continued: "If they would've let them children go home, yesterday wouldn't have even turned out like that."
Meg Gibson, another Baltimore teacher, described a similar scene to Gawker: "The riot police were already at the bus stop on the other side of the mall, turning buses that transport the students away, not allowing students to board. They were waiting for the kids. Those kids were set up, they were treated like criminals before the first brick was thrown." With police unloading busses, and with the nearby metro station shut down, there were few ways for students to clear out.
Several eyewitnesses in the area that afternoon say that police seemed to arrive at Mondawmin anticipating mobs and violenceprior to any looting. At 3:01 p.m., the Baltimore Police Department posted on its Facebook page: "There is a group of juveniles in the area of Mondawmin Mall. Expect traffic delays in the area." But many of the kids, according to eyewitnesses, were stuck there because of police actions.
The Baltimore Police Department did not respond to requests for comment.
Around 3:30, the police reported that juveniles had begun to throw bottles and bricks. Fifteen minutes later, the police department noted that one of its officers had been injured. After that the violence escalated, and rioters started looting the Mondawmin Mall, and Baltimore was in for a long night of trouble and violence. But as the event is reviewed and investigated, an important question warrants attention: What might have happened had the police not prevented students from leaving the area? Did the department's own actions increase the chances of conflict?
As Meghann Harris put it, "if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too."
On social media, eyewitnesses chronicled the dramatic police presence before the rioting began:
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The hideous white hypocrisy behind the Baltimore “Hero Mom” hype: How clueless media applause excuse [View all]
DonViejo
Apr 2015
OP
I'm with you. I am white but I think she was terrified and he was trying to disregard her desparate
jwirr
Apr 2015
#8
That's not the point. Yes, she was scared. But much of the media was applauding her for
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#53
That she is talking about the MSM not the mother. I fully support the mother in her fear.
jwirr
Apr 2015
#116
Scared and wrong. Lots of people do things because they are scared, but that doesn't mean
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#51
I was happy to read the mother's perspective on this. I'm not worried about her being a bad mother.
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#74
White flight white privileged bigot racist assholes claim that there is a BLACK CULTURE
NoJusticeNoPeace
Apr 2015
#57
Yes. Anything negative is black culture and if white kids do it, Rap! Hip hop!
bravenak
Apr 2015
#60
Instread of addressing the article, I see the racists are in here attacking US.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#62
Work with him? Your learning curve and experience and this kid is VASTLY different
NoJusticeNoPeace
Apr 2015
#164
I think she was more pissed off than scared...in fact know...just listen to her
snooper2
Apr 2015
#63
Ah yes, the Angry Black Female. Of course. She's not frightened for her son endangering himself...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#67
oh come on get over yourself...she has a right to be pissed of her son was being an asshole
snooper2
Apr 2015
#81
I don't know what the fuck that means. All I see is your racism showing. The other nonsense
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#96
And you need to not tell me what I need to do. Slavery is over. White folk don't get to tell
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#152
apparently she had already caught him throwing rocks at the police, he was already participating
snooper2
Apr 2015
#91
Since I'm dealing with this Stalwart person above I went to find an interview with her- you nail it
snooper2
Apr 2015
#140
I felt a little sick because I could see myself doing that and regretting it.
bravenak
Apr 2015
#180
Then why didn't she literally pull him out of that dangerous situation? And why is the media
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#54
Any time White America sees a black BOY or MAN brutalized, they cheer it on.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#3
Of course I was exaggerating, co-signing the larger point that Joan Walsh is making in her OP.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#22
Roll your fucking eyes all you want. The media is calling this woman a "hero". She is on
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#58
Almost as special as how you continuously move the goalposts... adorable, even.
LanternWaste
Apr 2015
#92
Racists in this thread in full force, too. Rather than addressing the substance of Joan's article...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#76
Kudos to you! I see them here, too. Again, not attacking the white woman, Joan Walsh...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#94
They're going to keep telling YOU to "get over yourself"! LOL!! You didn't write the article!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#212
You're arrogant, uppity and angry. And it's not racism unless THEY say so! So, get over yourself!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#216
I dont know, I think if it were the same situation, the woman would get similar coverage
7962
Apr 2015
#193
It's the way they are lionizing her. She does not agree and regrets her actions.
bravenak
Apr 2015
#198
My opinion. This is what Joan Walsh wrote. Take it up with her. I agree with her.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#72
No worries. Criticize me all you want. It's your right. But you WILL NOT silence me!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#85
What's with this: "GET OVER MYSELF"? I didn't write the fucking article!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#147
When will white people learn? We have NO CLUE about ANY of what that mother is dealing
NoJusticeNoPeace
Apr 2015
#75
I spoke out against it. I understand her fear but also do not cheer any violence. interesting take,
uppityperson
Apr 2015
#4
Who is saying this? And the vast majority of "black kids" were peacefully demonstrating.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#24
Unfortunately, and typically, the media wasn't SHOWING the vast majority of peaceful demonstrators.
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#179
Actually, some people here have corrected me in suggesting that we black folk are cheering
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#162
Yep. Absolutely. Those who assert that "blacks were cheering too" missed the point...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#196
I agree. I am white and I would have more likely than not done he same thing.
boston bean
Apr 2015
#254
You must have missed the dozens of news reports that lionized this woman for her desperate, out-of-control
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#90
she was a scared mother, not an action figure, nor is she Cruella deVille as some handwringers are
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#7
or the left only looking at this mom from the hits. i am disgusted with both sides. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#15
if in another time and place, this woman would have been charged with child abuse or assault.
nc4bo
Apr 2015
#25
Some think the Police started it: Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#19
Disagree. I'm a mother of a son whom I love deeply. To me, a mother who bangs on a kid, curses at
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#70
That group wasn't rioting...clearly...they were trapped by the buses and metro closed down.
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#127
also, whites first reaction isn't "great mom", it's "his dad should be collecting him"
elehhhhna
Apr 2015
#46
I am looking to understand your comments. That isn't an argument, that is a conversation.
Behind the Aegis
Apr 2015
#122
Yep. You see how they've come after me for dare agreeing with what Joan Walsh has said.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#167
I agree. And those who pretend to not know what you meant are lying.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#125
Yes, the white privilege Fox news stereotype of how a black mother should punish her kid
project_bluebook
Apr 2015
#33
Joan Walsh said her piece was NOT directed to other African Americans like your friend.
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#97
The media shouldn't be holding up the reaction of a frightened, out-of-control angry parent
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#64
That's very much the way I was reading the zeal for this event. Racist white folks love watching a
Ed Suspicious
Apr 2015
#69
I think everything that day was racist. What has me gobsmacked, is the cheering on of a very
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#138
No, this is where it starts. This wasn't the first time...that was clear in the interaction.
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#151
Gee, I guess the message from the media is we should publicly flog the uppity ni**ers....
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2015
#134
I wonder what Joan Walsh would have done if it had been her son or daughter out there?
totodeinhere
Apr 2015
#173
Not sure how. Walsh's argument actually supports what Ms. Graham is saying here.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#211
she can spare me her analysis of why blacks can defend the mom's actions vs. whites
bigtree
Apr 2015
#226
Go back and read Walsh's article when you have time. That is exactly
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#243
I don't like most of Walsh's writings, especially when she covers Obama.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Apr 2015
#285
"Praising a mom for beating her son suggests only violence can discipline black kids." WTF??
Number23
Apr 2015
#267
You don't have to say it for it to be obvious that thought is at work unconsciously.
Bonobo
Apr 2015
#268
If a white mom did the same thing, I'd have the same reaction. I'd understand her fear
Number23
Apr 2015
#269
I'm sure this is important to you for some reason, but I have no idea why you are jumping
Number23
Apr 2015
#271