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53. Do you think this thread is about gaining bipartisan support for helping the poor?

Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:27 PM

Apr 2015

The person who started the OP might think they can bring everyone under the same tent if they just compromise on a plan that humiliates and demeans the poor, yet feeds them.

But after investing in this kind and generous system, what will everyone do if the poor rebel against it? I described elsewhere how I refused to eat my free lunches. Actually a guidance counselor tried to force me to eat one, and I threw up. Luckily my parents bought me food so I didn't starve, but this came out of their pocket, which they couldn't afford - that's why I was eligible for the free lunches.

I suspect something like this would happen if the Bipartisan Rich tried to force feed the poor - the stomachs of the poor will reject that food. It is human to strive for autonomy and dignity.

The way to get more "support" for real reforms to help the poor is for the poor to empower themselves through organizing and voting and getting legislation and policy done on their behalf. They need to demand the social justice and fairness that leads to full employment and the housing stability, food security, and financial freedoms that provides.

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Why doesn't the Federal government just take over SNAP food distribution? [View all] B2G Apr 2015 OP

"That's Big Gummint." xfundy Apr 2015 #1

They used too yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #26

The USDA cheese/milk program was in addition JimDandy Apr 2015 #33

Oh thanks. I did not know that. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #34

I was a grateful recipient JimDandy Apr 2015 #49

SNAP or Food Stamps is a misnomer. Downwinder Apr 2015 #2

How much do they make? B2G Apr 2015 #3

We make the same amount we would make if the product was purchased any other way. Codeine Apr 2015 #6

But the cost is different depending B2G Apr 2015 #7

They buy in huge bulk. Codeine Apr 2015 #10

That's my whole point B2G Apr 2015 #12

Centralized Food Committees? Five-Year Grocery Plans? Codeine Apr 2015 #15

That's not at all what I'm saying. nt B2G Apr 2015 #18

Thank you Codeine. Downwinder Apr 2015 #8

I'm fairly certain it's the same as any other card, about a nickle a transaction. Codeine Apr 2015 #11

I used to use cash for all transactions. Downwinder Apr 2015 #13

The convenience is fantastic. Codeine Apr 2015 #14

It is more convenient for me. Downwinder Apr 2015 #20

From what I hear it is the banks that make the money off of the program. jwirr Apr 2015 #58

The main problem with cash on EBT cards daredtowork Apr 2015 #73

Probably. They get a piece of everything they touch. Downwinder Apr 2015 #74

SNAP is absolutely fantastic for my store. Codeine Apr 2015 #5

This is the secret agenda of this thread daredtowork Apr 2015 #72

It really is bizarre. Codeine Apr 2015 #76

It makes sense to me now daredtowork Apr 2015 #87

Food programs never were altruistic, they were also a defense department program dflprincess Apr 2015 #78

Nutrition, Health, and Education are all National Security issues. Downwinder Apr 2015 #80

Terrible idea daredtowork Apr 2015 #4

Why not implement Michelle Obama's food program yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #27

Mmmmm, government-mandated shopping lists Codeine Apr 2015 #29

Were discussing different ideas yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #30

It's a school lunch program. Codeine Apr 2015 #31

Why is it better than what we have now? daredtowork Apr 2015 #40

You want adults to eat like the school lunch program? daredtowork Apr 2015 #35

See number 4 in the post above yours... MaggieD Apr 2015 #81

Fair enough yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #82

I agree - the poor need a raise MaggieD Apr 2015 #85

Govt funding the war machine, especially in these days of endless terror, is bipartisan and merrily Apr 2015 #50

Do you think this thread is about gaining bipartisan support for helping the poor? daredtowork Apr 2015 #53

Three different issues merrily Apr 2015 #54

I think there's another agenda here daredtowork Apr 2015 #70

No worries, daredtowork. merrily Apr 2015 #71

PS You might consider blogging on this subject and/or creating an online community of poorer merrily Apr 2015 #55

Keep distribution as local as you can karadax Apr 2015 #9

I agree. One issue is geography and another is who is in charge. merrily Apr 2015 #51

So if I understand right, in addition to all the money for SNAP, the government hughee99 Apr 2015 #16

Yeah, and you'd support a myriad of family-owned businesses. Codeine Apr 2015 #17

If they're going to spend that much money, it's better to spend it on better benefits than hughee99 Apr 2015 #19

Sort of like a PX. Downwinder Apr 2015 #21

Buy out Walmart. moondust Apr 2015 #22

There ya go. B2G Apr 2015 #23

Food from Walmart is massively unhealthy. nt daredtowork Apr 2015 #36

If that's true then food from ANY grocery store is massively unhealthy Revanchist Apr 2015 #42

Not sure about that daredtowork Apr 2015 #43

Are you thinking of Walgreen's and not Walmart? Revanchist Apr 2015 #44

Yes I'm assuming Walmart is just like Walgreens and CVS daredtowork Apr 2015 #45

BIG difference! Revanchist Apr 2015 #46

I see bigger daredtowork Apr 2015 #52

Used to do this 1939 Apr 2015 #24

What is a ghetto mother? Kalidurga Apr 2015 #28

Just to show 1939 Apr 2015 #47

That was me years ago. Poor 17 years old and a mother. The point is that the program was like jwirr Apr 2015 #63

I think those programs are good if they are additional resources Kalidurga Apr 2015 #75

On that I agree. Someone in the thread mentioned the cheese/milk give away and that is a help. jwirr Apr 2015 #83

Sounds appalling. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #32

when I lived in MS in the mid 1990's I knew a teacher who qualified for WIC dsc Apr 2015 #25

I believe WIC does daredtowork Apr 2015 #37

Don't most states do WIC as vouchers now? Recursion Apr 2015 #39

Honestly don't know about this daredtowork Apr 2015 #41

they do use vouchers in most states dsc Apr 2015 #48

Yes, they use vouchers now and yes, the rules are byzantine. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2015 #56

We had a WIC co-op in MS in the 80s Recursion Apr 2015 #38

We already tried that. It is called the commodities program. Most counties had it after the Great jwirr Apr 2015 #57

I agree and said in the OP B2G Apr 2015 #60

Something like the COOP grocery store we used to have here in our town might work. jwirr Apr 2015 #68

they should pull all the for profit middlemen out and just provide food like they used to. Sunlei Apr 2015 #59

People need the autonomy to choose their own foods. Codeine Apr 2015 #61

I agree with all of that B2G Apr 2015 #62

Why is such a system, Codeine Apr 2015 #64

Also, grocery stores in the 'hood that are operating at a slender profit margin XemaSab Apr 2015 #84

you're right of course. what perhaps would be good is use US post office mail to send some basics. Sunlei Apr 2015 #65

Why not just increase the existing benefits card allowance? Codeine Apr 2015 #66

That would have to be after control of the Federal money is removed from the 50 states control. Sunlei Apr 2015 #67

States do not control it - it is a federal program. States administer it. Counties take the jwirr Apr 2015 #69

Because there is a lot of overhead to running grocery stores MaggieD Apr 2015 #77

+1 Codeine Apr 2015 #79

Yes, that too! MaggieD Apr 2015 #86