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brentspeak

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198. Considering that you work in finance

Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:28 PM

Apr 2015

(which you have revealed in the past), and are likely far wealthier than most of the "straight, white, Christian males" you are hoisting up in strawman fashion , I can see why you're trying to relegate the issue of black people's economic plight as "secondary".

Believe me -- you've indeed demonstrated an interest in the topic of "social justice" on these boards -- including "social justice" as regards defending those poor beleaguered (mostly white) Wall Streeters who have torched the lives of many hard-working Americans -- including that of many hard-working black Americans:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025584456#post10

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026038915#post8

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026038915#post17

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025967492#post6

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I am, not surprised; but, somewhat dismayed with ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 OP

there is the false dilemma we are being fed DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #1

I competely understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #7

+1 cui bono Apr 2015 #112

I think it's quite possible... gregcrawford Apr 2015 #203

+1000-excellent rendering heaven05 Apr 2015 #234

Some are making the distinction between the two because IMO they rhett o rick Apr 2015 #24

Are you kidding me? MaggieD Apr 2015 #47

I did not hear any HRC there DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #50

You missed his normal dog whistles then MaggieD Apr 2015 #55

Yes, some cant do anything but bash Hillary, even without saying her name. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #57

You have your opinion and I have mine. IMO you can't support both Wall Street rhett o rick Apr 2015 #73

But everytime I ask you for specifics you disappear MaggieD Apr 2015 #74

She started the TPP process and has the nerve ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #88

She started it??? link for that? MaggieD Apr 2015 #89

Just wait a moment ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #92

LOL! Lots of HRC fantasy here these days MaggieD Apr 2015 #93

She "started" it - sort of yes, sort of no; cheerleading for it is clear. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #139

You have one quote that has been edited MaggieD Apr 2015 #146

You could give the unedited quotation, you could give others, but instead you sling mud Jim Lane Apr 2015 #168

Well said. I am getting tired of the meme, "If Warren is polite to Clinton, then she obviously rhett o rick Apr 2015 #207

saying she supports clinton is her merely being polite? and you say you are a warren supporter? seabeyond Apr 2015 #208

She is a good Democrat and will support Clinton. That doesn't mean she agrees with all of Clinton's rhett o rick Apr 2015 #209

no one suggested that was her saying she agreed with ALL her policies. that is not what i addressed seabeyond Apr 2015 #210

Excuse me, it was her boss, a black man, that's pushing TPP lark Apr 2015 #184

Re-read my post ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #196

I'm shocked JustAnotherGen May 2015 #264

I'm even more shocked ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #265

I am always glad to enter honest discussion that are free of rudeness and ridicule. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #111

Perhaps you didn't fully read the article MaggieD Apr 2015 #115

I can always learn more about this issue, but I certain don't think this is necessary: rhett o rick Apr 2015 #124

There are legitmate reasons to be in favor of the TPP MaggieD Apr 2015 #127

I also am a Democrat and fully support those that see the TPP as a disaster for the 99%. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #129

If you understood the issue you would have found them addressed in the link MaggieD Apr 2015 #131

I was hoping we could have a decent discussion. But saying things like this, rhett o rick Apr 2015 #135

Well here is my rule of thumb... MaggieD Apr 2015 #143

Who are you speaking of, in your hijack attempt? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #86

If you look back you will see that my comment to your OP is that rhett o rick Apr 2015 #125

I've been thinking about that statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #142

"what do they lose, if they fail to win the fight?" right on. thank you. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #150

They are getting social justice others are deprived of. It isn't social justice TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #171

Democratic candidate, not democrat candidate. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #84

You are correct - I edited for accuracy MaggieD Apr 2015 #94

Forgiven Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #104

^^^^^This is the correct answer.^^^^^ woo me with science Apr 2015 #180

^^^^^^That is the wrong answer^^^^^ in my opinion and i have explained why. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #185

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #189

I think the people of this country are desperate for a leader that doesn't represent rhett o rick Apr 2015 #192

there's lot of people that have there retirements in Wall Street. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #221

Absolutely. Those people need a leader that will protect their investments and rhett o rick Apr 2015 #222

$ before lives. abso fuggin' lutely. seabeyond Apr 2015 #223

I support lives before dollars. That's why I support a candidate that isn't rhett o rick Apr 2015 #224

you say you do and immediately follow with $ before lives. amazing. seabeyond Apr 2015 #225

So explain to me what you see as the most pressing problem in America. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #226

with all due respect DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #202

good post. good reminder. i am going to start opening my ears more. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #205

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #217

^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #190

Money and Status HassleCat Apr 2015 #2

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #9

The Theory HassleCat Apr 2015 #12

Laughing is a great way to mask the sorrow ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #21

Your post made me cry. Control-Z Apr 2015 #175

yes. so often, an experience is told, affects the reader, yet we say nothing. your post hit me, seabeyond Apr 2015 #193

That's so heart-wrenching. The parents of the little elitist bigots Flatulo Apr 2015 #231

Yeah, the people on the street aren't complaining about wealth. joshcryer Apr 2015 #3

"constantly harassed by police." That was closer to the truth when O'Malley was mayor. Vattel Apr 2015 #13

I read somewhere the had fired 50 officers in the last two years. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #41

Good point. I agree. leftofcool Apr 2015 #4

I beleive we build a stronger coalition if we see this as both and not one or the other. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #5

Yep. Two sides of the same coin. hifiguy Apr 2015 #26

like immediately. the life of our young black men and boys, to the $. it is a no duh, for me, too. seabeyond Apr 2015 #6

+1 yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #27

When the lights are on everyone seem to say the right thing Hutzpa Apr 2015 #8

That makes sense el_bryanto Apr 2015 #10

You can't have social justice without economic justice. It's simply not possible cali Apr 2015 #11

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #36

So if a black person has money, the police/store owners leave them alone, right? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #59

Well ... That hasn't been MY experience ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #71

Wait, you mean even if you have money and status, you still get picked on? How about that! NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #72

And how I should respond to it. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #82

You should tell white people to shut the fuck up and listen and learn. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #108

They will tell me to "watch (my) tone." n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #116

!!!!! BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #121

Or even better, that you have simply "misunderstood" the dog whistles, microaggressions and Number23 Apr 2015 #137

No. They'll tell you that it's not racism. It's classism. They'll tell you to stop overreacting. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #195

Baltimore's economic inequality is lower than the national average Recursion Apr 2015 #176

You are absolutely correct AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #235

Tell me ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #238

If by 'straight, white, christian, male' you mean right wingers, AKA Republicans/libertarians AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #239

No, I'm asking about ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #240

The fact that there are few if any what? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #241

I think I understand what you are getting at AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #242

It can be about both. Not just one or the other. pa28 Apr 2015 #14

Social justice and economic justice go hand in hand. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #15

social justice without economic justice means you are free to live in a cardboard box next to yurbud Apr 2015 #16

So what do you do about the fact that the first 'gay right' sought and still not given to us is Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #17

The ERA still isn't law. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #91

That is a fact. Amazingly, half of LGBT people are women and thus get it double scooped Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #98

Oppression of anyone, as a socioeconomic system, must be ended. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #106

Beats the hell out of not being allowed to live together at all. stone space Apr 2015 #19

At least you'd have your marriage treestar Apr 2015 #23

Who said they shouldn't? yurbud Apr 2015 #194

the person I responded to must have implied that treestar Apr 2015 #218

I'd really, really like just one of the people who makes this bogus assertion answer me. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #28

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39

You could ask it of the wealthy gay couple who recently hosted the Cruz fundraiser Fumesucker Apr 2015 #49

Why would I do that? I'm asking the DUers who make the assertion, not Republicans who are Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #81

It's not a "tough" question ... It is a revealing question. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #97

I try to be kind and pretend it is tough, but the silence in response really is revealing and this Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #109

Yes. It is. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #117

Yes it is. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #172

Wow, that sentence says it all. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #206

social justice in 2016 means you save lives. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #54

When the cops show up the white guy gets yelled at, the black guy gets his ass beat NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #63

I agree. I was trying to put the counterpoint in the starkest yurbud Apr 2015 #187

Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #200

Why would social justice mean lowering conditions? yurbud Apr 2015 #230

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #232

my point was not that social justice would LEAD to the cardboard boxes--we're already headed there yurbud Apr 2015 #244

those racial income inequality stats show how the two issues are inextricably linked yurbud Apr 2015 #246

... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #247

They are intertwined. Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #18

But, it is increasingly clear what ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #40

Quite right. Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #45

That's just divisive bullshit. You're better than this sort of crap. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #46

Think about why you consider ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #66

Amen Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #20

K&R treestar Apr 2015 #22

Economic justice arguments don't need to mention untidy details like racism, sexism, homphobia, etc. Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #25

and because they do not DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #52

DU is becoming unbearable with the racism around here. Just absolutely ridiculous! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #29

Becoming LOL ....oy vey...I know, you didnt actually mean that. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #64

Trying to exercise the last semblance of diplomacy I have left. I hear ya! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #123

And I would answer that there can be no social justice for Black JDPriestly Apr 2015 #30

Ummm, no ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #42

The basis of slavery was the difference in technological and economic JDPriestly Apr 2015 #61

Come on ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #78

When you qualify it with the prepositional phrase, "in this society," and JDPriestly Apr 2015 #87

I only live in this society and at this time ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #90

Rwanda was not a fantasy. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #102

I don't live in Rwanda ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #118

Ever been to Fresno or Bakersfield? bvar22 Apr 2015 #212

hey... did some growing up in bakersfield. absolutely. lived in fresno first, for a couple years. seabeyond Apr 2015 #214

I have lived in other societies at other times. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #105

Where was this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #119

we're in america heaven05 Apr 2015 #229

Read history. People find excuses to enslave those who are different JDPriestly May 2015 #267

I understand what you are saying JustAnotherGen May 2015 #268

longwinded BS heaven05 Apr 2015 #228

It is the color of blackness in skin heaven05 Apr 2015 #227

racism is not about the color of ones skin, the kink in ones hair or the flare of ones nostrils. jeepers May 2015 #251

Uh...no! Behind the Aegis May 2015 #252

I may have conflated the terms prejudice and racism jeepers May 2015 #254

You did conflate the two. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #255

Here. Let me attempt to make you revised statement more accurate ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #261

white racism is heaven05 May 2015 #259

You cannot have one without the other. Without economic justice, then there is no social justice. 1monster Apr 2015 #31

Well, I'm not surprised that you're using the riots brentspeak Apr 2015 #32

WTF are you talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #44

Ignore that poster, such garbage. Such FUCKING garbage NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #65

Well ... your response has one of the words I was thinking! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #80

It's okay... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #159

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #162

Thanks....and sheshe2 Apr 2015 #166

Considering that you work in finance brentspeak Apr 2015 #198

as his daughter is the only one not invited to a bday party cause no blacks in the country club. seabeyond Apr 2015 #201

Wow. bvar22 Apr 2015 #213

Did you even bother to read that "crow"? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #216

I do not, and have never, worked in Finance ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #215

They aren't mutually exclusive. lovemydog Apr 2015 #75

Exactly correct that the two things aren't mutually exclusive brentspeak Apr 2015 #77

You and I read that post completely differently. n/t lovemydog Apr 2015 #79

Of course I don't ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #99

You are simply wrong. Sorry, but MineralMan Apr 2015 #113

It is a matter of law and policy that we are afforded equal rights. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #33

Divide and conquer. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #34

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #48

Social justice is necessary for economic justice Matrosov Apr 2015 #35

I think you've said it well. procon Apr 2015 #37

I can point to the only circumstance where this debate is not even considered ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #53

I hear you, and after post after post stating how boston bean Apr 2015 #38

I don't see that you can have one without the other wryter2000 Apr 2015 #43

this is the argument. if we do not address the $, we lose and should not work to get a dem in seabeyond Apr 2015 #51

this op did not start off DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #58

we are talking about those advocating not voting 2016 cause of the oligarchy, because the $ proceeds seabeyond Apr 2015 #68

And shockingly ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #100

ok, I will see that DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #170

Oh, I agree. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #179

The divison between economic and social justice is a false one YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #56

The issues are inseparable ... but only for those experiencing assaults on both. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #70

Well said Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #60

Social justice implies economic justice. raven mad Apr 2015 #62

Woman tells me something is misogynist, I dont argue with her. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #67

There can not be real economic justice without social justice gollygee Apr 2015 #69

I think the chances of you getting either economic or social justice are slim... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #76

"Social justice warriors" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #107

FDR Economic BIll or Rights bvar22 Apr 2015 #83

Hear, hear MaggieD Apr 2015 #96

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #110

Yes, exactly! TM99 Apr 2015 #133

That sounds like a whole lot of... Oilwellian Apr 2015 #211

+1 lovemydog Apr 2015 #85

I'm not sure how anyone has any kind of labor rights, without first having human rights. Rex Apr 2015 #95

Yep, both are tied to the hip MrScorpio Apr 2015 #101

Yes, social justice is key to economic justice. That's why the economic royalists are so invested Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #103

Excellent OP. Money does not buy everything. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #114

Summed up perfectly BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #120

This here says it all... giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #128

The media is ignoring the social justice aspect Gothmog Apr 2015 #122

It's amazing how many people know better than you.... steve2470 Apr 2015 #126

Yeah, I'll never walk in those shoes, either. randome Apr 2015 #130

Orioles COO John Angelos seems to disagree. He seems to think economic justice is very rhett o rick Apr 2015 #132

Kicking for that quote... SMC22307 Apr 2015 #136

Said the white guy(?) about the white guy (?) that "knows" the condition of PoC .... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #147

as the quote is circulated, i am thinking the same damn thing. says the white man. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #151

Is this someone who owns a sports team? gollygee Apr 2015 #154

chief operating officer. and ya. gotta figure he has money. with the baltimore orioles. and ya... seabeyond Apr 2015 #156

If you disagree with the statement, then why don't you explain why. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #169

I have. several times ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #178

Human rights must come first, they are the foundation for labor rights. Rex Apr 2015 #174

for immediate address and change we are talking the supreme court. not trickle down. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #186

good luck getting BOTH. pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #134

Can I count you in the number of those willing to help? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #148

+1000 heaven05 Apr 2015 #138

What's the difference? MFrohike Apr 2015 #140

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #149

Why would straight white christian men fight for social justice jeepers May 2015 #253

Perhaps, you could rephrase your answer ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #256

why? conscious. integrity. inner since of honesty. shit... seabeyond May 2015 #257

While I respect what you are saying marym625 Apr 2015 #141

I appreciate that; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #152

I think they are too intertwined to separate marym625 Apr 2015 #155

"Permanent" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #158

You caught me again when I have to run marym625 Apr 2015 #160

Enjoy my friend. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #163

reversing the supreme crt as state laws reach it is far beyond a mere smoke and mirror. seabeyond Apr 2015 #153

Very true marym625 Apr 2015 #157

2016... not enough time to do what you see we need to do. though you are right in all you say, 2016 seabeyond Apr 2015 #164

Nicely said! Adrahil Apr 2015 #144

I would rec this a million times if I could. Every word rings true. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #145

Some of us see it as the same thing Nevernose Apr 2015 #161

Maybe this question will establish space ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #165

Thank you for your perspective gopiscrap Apr 2015 #167

It is a special blindness some employ. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #173

You don't see that they are inextricably entwined? Novara Apr 2015 #177

Yes, inextricably entwined for some; but, not for others ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #182

"How can there BE social justice..." BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #183

As a man, you learned to appreciate fadedrose Apr 2015 #181

my niece wants to be able to get an abortion, when her life is at stake. also. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #188

She needs a safe abortion fadedrose Apr 2015 #191

Thank you for saying this. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #197

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #219

I sincerely believe that the whites here at DU know this, but will never Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #220

Social justice is a necessary precursor to economic justice. nt avebury Apr 2015 #199

Indeed, just as Dr. King himself said. riqster Apr 2015 #204

When the founding fathers were fighting against England I am not sure that they were asked to jwirr Apr 2015 #233

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #248

I am saying that they were also fighting for social justice and their rights. Just like black people jwirr Apr 2015 #250

Perhaps a concrete example might help frazzled Apr 2015 #236

here is one on this thread, to the point. his daughter was excluded from a bday party cause at the seabeyond Apr 2015 #237

kick for truth Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #243

What I want to know is how do you distinguish between the two? ananda Apr 2015 #245

I'm guessing one has to live it, aware ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #249

here's the thing. i was off doing something. this comes kicking to mind. white people that have the seabeyond May 2015 #258

mommmmmy, mommmmmy. come over here. please come mommy. seabeyond May 2015 #260

we are being told by our fellow democrats. to leave our dead alongside of the road. look the other seabeyond May 2015 #262

The interesting, though again, unsurprising, thing is ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #263

k&r. I assume they aren't comfortable with the racial aspects Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #266