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Vattel

(9,289 posts)
10. You are making progress: "That's not to excuse the abuses of civil liberties."
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:55 PM
Apr 2015

But the cat is out of the bag, and to say that "the dangerousness on the street compelled the policy" is completely false:

So Martin O’Malley proclaims a Baltimore Miracle and moves to Annapolis. And tellingly, when his successor as mayor allows a new police commissioner to finally de-emphasize street sweeps and mass arrests and instead focus on gun crime, that’s when the murder rate really dives. That’s when violence really goes down.


You also make a lot of other false claims about Simon's views, but I will settle for quoting the article you reference:

“We still have men who are suffering from it today,” said Marvin “Doc” Cheathem, a past president of the Baltimore branch of the NAACP, which won a court settlement stemming from the city’s policing policies. “The guy is good at talking, but a lot of us know the real story of the harm he brought to our city.”

. . .

A. Dwight Pettit, a Baltimore lawyer whose clients have won numerous settlements from police brutality complaints, said O’Malley’s “approach to policing when he was mayor was disregard for the Constitution.”

“His philosophy was, ‘Put them in jail and figure it out later,’ and that will solve the crime problem,” he said. “It created a confrontational mentality with the police.”

. . .

In 2005, with O’Malley in office, Cheathem recalled the local NAACP branch being “inundated with calls from African Americans and Hispanic men saying they were being arrested and no charges were being filed.”

A contingent of activists “met with the mayor and shared our anger — that these guys weren’t being charged but were coming out with arrest records,” Cheathem recalled. “We requested that this process be stopped, and he was not receptive to it at all. We left with the idea that we had no recourse but to sue.”

The NAACP joined in a lawsuit filed by the ACLU that was based on the arrest of a 19-year-old man with no prior criminal record who spent hours in jail for dropping a candy wrapper on the street while sitting on the steps of his aunt’s house. The suit named O’Malley and other Baltimore officials, including the police commissioner, and alleged that the Baltimore police had improperly arrested thousands of people “without probable cause and in violation of the U.S. Constitution.”

The complaint was settled four years later, with Baltimore agreeing to pay an $870,000 settlement. By then, O’Malley was governor.

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The War on Drugs is a war on the black and the poor. bravenak Apr 2015 #1
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2015 #3
If O'Malley brought the "broken windows" policy to Baltimore, Dawson Leery Apr 2015 #2
O'Malley left that office in 2007 bigtree Apr 2015 #4
Thanks for posting this.... DonViejo Apr 2015 #5
the drop in crime in that time period could also have been the Roe v. Wade decision. CTyankee Apr 2015 #6
+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #7
Some people are still trying to pretend that this stuff didn't happen, Vattel Apr 2015 #8
when you critizize for this you omit the dangerousness on the street which compelled the policy bigtree Apr 2015 #9
You are making progress: "That's not to excuse the abuses of civil liberties." Vattel Apr 2015 #10
Right JonLP24 Apr 2015 #11
Yes, Simon is an insider with lots of information. Vattel Apr 2015 #12
Yes, exactly what I was thinking JonLP24 Apr 2015 #13
yeah, Norris joined a fictional TV show as a cast member bigtree Apr 2015 #14
When they made the Homicide Life on The Street JonLP24 Apr 2015 #15
the implication that Norris was hounded out of office by O'Malley goes against his public embrace bigtree Apr 2015 #17
The same prosecutor was later reprimanded JonLP24 Apr 2015 #18
my point was addressing the assertion (his?) that he was forced out because of political ambition bigtree Apr 2015 #19
You've made no progress at all in acknowledging there was consequential crime problem in the city bigtree Apr 2015 #16
+1 Well said. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #20
I never said O'Malley had the worst motivations for wanting to reduce crime. Please don't put words Vattel Apr 2015 #21
the article posted knocks his motivations bigtree Apr 2015 #22
Your dishonesty is remarkable. Vattel Apr 2015 #24
alright, so you don't agree with that point Simon is making bigtree Apr 2015 #25
Let me put it this way. Vattel Apr 2015 #27
read the article I provided. I can't post the entire report bigtree Apr 2015 #28
Thanks for the link. I read the whole thing. Vattel Apr 2015 #29
I have great respect for David Simon BainsBane Apr 2015 #23
Same here. lovemydog Apr 2015 #26
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