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JonLP24

(29,987 posts)
11. Right
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:07 PM
Apr 2015

The OP mentions he brought in Ed Norris who was real police but quit because O'Malley wanted the crime stats.

The murder of Meir Kahane

While commander of the 17th Detective Squad, Norris led the investigation into the murder of Meir Kahane, an American-Israeli rabbi and ultranationalist writer and political figure. At the time, the NYPD officially classified the murder as the act of a lone gunman, over the protests of Norris who warned of a bigger conspiracy. After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, it was later revealed that Meir Kahane was the first al-Qaeda murder inside the US, as well as the first incident leading up to 9/11.

Kahane was killed in a Manhattan hotel by an Arab gunman on November 5, 1990 after Kahane concluded a speech warning American Jews to immigrate to Israel before it was "too late.” He was shot by El Sayyid Nosair, an Egyptian-born American citizen. Nosair fled the room, shooting 74-year-old Irving Franklin. As Nosair continued onto Lexington Avenue, attempting to flee in a taxi, he saw a police officer approaching him. Nosair stepped out of the taxi and fired shots toward the officer. The officer returned fire and both men lay wounded in the street. Upon searching Nosair's wallet, a list was found containing the names of several New York elected officials along with Nosair's New Jersey address.

At Nosair's home, detectives found and arrested two Egyptian men who admitted to driving taxis for a living as well as being in the vicinity at the time of the shooting. The ensuing search of Nosair's home revealed many items of concern including photographs of New York City landmarks, classified US Military documents, bomb-making manuals and books containing Arabic diagrams that Norris believed to represent plans to hijack an armored car. These diagrams were later revealed to be a plan to assassinate then Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak.

The next morning, while briefing the Chief of Detectives, Norris refuted the NYPD's assertion that this was the act of a single crazed gunman. Norris described the evidence and the drivers of the believed get-away car in custody. The Chief of Detectives told Norris, "you shut up and handle the murder, they do conspiracies," pointing to the FBI agents in the room. Norris was then ordered to release the cab drivers and turn over his documents. Nosair was sent to prison for the Kahane assassination and the cab drivers were released.

One of the released cab drivers later rented the van that was used in the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. During the World Trade Center bombing trial, the documents uncovered from Nosair’s home were translated to reveal the words Al Qaeda, and a descriptive roadmap of 9/11. Norris' vision of a bigger plot in the single murder case have been mentioned in The Cell by John Miller and Michael Stone, 1000 Years for Revenge by Peter Lance, House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship between the World’s Two Most Powerful Dynasties by Craig Unger, and several others books.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Norris

Originally, early in his tenure, O’Malley brought Ed Norris in as commissioner and Ed knew his business. He’d been a criminal investigator and commander in New York and he knew police work. And so, for a time, real crime suppression and good retroactive investigation was emphasized, and for the Baltimore department, it was kind of like a fat man going on a diet. Just leave the French fries on the plate and you lose the first ten pounds. The initial crime reductions in Baltimore under O’Malley were legit and O’Malley deserved some credit.

But that wasn’t enough. O’Malley needed to show crime reduction stats that were not only improbable, but unsustainable without manipulation. And so there were people from City Hall who walked over Norris and made it clear to the district commanders that crime was going to fall by some astonishing rates. Eventually, Norris got fed up with the interference from City Hall and walked, and then more malleable police commissioners followed, until indeed, the crime rate fell dramatically. On paper.

How? There were two initiatives. First, the department began sweeping the streets of the inner city, taking bodies on ridiculous humbles, mass arrests, sending thousands of people to city jail, hundreds every night, thousands in a month. They actually had police supervisors stationed with printed forms at the city jail – forms that said, essentially, you can go home now if you sign away any liability the city has for false arrest, or you can not sign the form and spend the weekend in jail until you see a court commissioner. And tens of thousands of people signed that form.

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The city eventually got sued by the ACLU and had to settle, but O’Malley defends the wholesale denigration of black civil rights to this day. Never mind what it did to your jury pool: now every single person of color in Baltimore knows the police will lie — and that's your jury pool for when you really need them for when you have, say, a felony murder case. But what it taught the police department was that they could go a step beyond the manufactured probable cause, and the drug-free zones and the humbles – the targeting of suspects through less-than-constitutional procedure. Now, the mass arrests made clear, we can lock up anybody, we don't have to figure out who's committing crimes, we don't have to investigate anything, we just gather all the bodies — everybody goes to jail. And yet people were scared enough of crime in those years that O’Malley had his supporters for this policy, council members and community leaders who thought, They’re all just thugs.

But they weren’t. They were anybody who was slow to clear the sidewalk or who stayed seated on their front stoop for too long when an officer tried to roust them. Schoolteachers, Johns Hopkins employees, film crew people, kids, retirees, everybody went to the city jail. If you think I’m exaggerating look it up. It was an amazing performance by the city’s mayor and his administration.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish?ref=tsfb

I'm with you. O'Malley deserves credit for picking Ed Norris but what about Ed Norris quit? He has a solid record of real policing, he later joined The Wire as a cast member so David Simon certainly is well aware of the internal squabbles & for over his long history as a police reporter on what works & what doesn't or just what reporting it as is rather than political spin I think we should pay attention to what David Simon says.

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The War on Drugs is a war on the black and the poor. bravenak Apr 2015 #1
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2015 #3
If O'Malley brought the "broken windows" policy to Baltimore, Dawson Leery Apr 2015 #2
O'Malley left that office in 2007 bigtree Apr 2015 #4
Thanks for posting this.... DonViejo Apr 2015 #5
the drop in crime in that time period could also have been the Roe v. Wade decision. CTyankee Apr 2015 #6
+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #7
Some people are still trying to pretend that this stuff didn't happen, Vattel Apr 2015 #8
when you critizize for this you omit the dangerousness on the street which compelled the policy bigtree Apr 2015 #9
You are making progress: "That's not to excuse the abuses of civil liberties." Vattel Apr 2015 #10
Right JonLP24 Apr 2015 #11
Yes, Simon is an insider with lots of information. Vattel Apr 2015 #12
Yes, exactly what I was thinking JonLP24 Apr 2015 #13
yeah, Norris joined a fictional TV show as a cast member bigtree Apr 2015 #14
When they made the Homicide Life on The Street JonLP24 Apr 2015 #15
the implication that Norris was hounded out of office by O'Malley goes against his public embrace bigtree Apr 2015 #17
The same prosecutor was later reprimanded JonLP24 Apr 2015 #18
my point was addressing the assertion (his?) that he was forced out because of political ambition bigtree Apr 2015 #19
You've made no progress at all in acknowledging there was consequential crime problem in the city bigtree Apr 2015 #16
+1 Well said. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #20
I never said O'Malley had the worst motivations for wanting to reduce crime. Please don't put words Vattel Apr 2015 #21
the article posted knocks his motivations bigtree Apr 2015 #22
Your dishonesty is remarkable. Vattel Apr 2015 #24
alright, so you don't agree with that point Simon is making bigtree Apr 2015 #25
Let me put it this way. Vattel Apr 2015 #27
read the article I provided. I can't post the entire report bigtree Apr 2015 #28
Thanks for the link. I read the whole thing. Vattel Apr 2015 #29
I have great respect for David Simon BainsBane Apr 2015 #23
Same here. lovemydog Apr 2015 #26
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