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285. I don't like most of Walsh's writings, especially when she covers Obama.

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:53 AM

Apr 2015

And I have never forgiven her for going after Melissa Harris Perry who I think was spot on in her analysis of how white people have reacted to President Obama.

But here, I think Walsh is spot on in terms of how whites are conveniently glossing over systemic racism and the manifestation of it in the justice system. The media/whites are making this about Toya Graham's actions, not about the larger issue: the brutality targeted at blacks at the hands of cops. Put it this way: if what happened to Freddie Gray had never happened, Toya would never had to act the way she did because there would have never been a reason for her to. The larger issue is police brutality as a manifestation of racism and system of white supremacy--NOT a mother disciplining her kid because he was hanging out with "black thugs". This is what hate has produced.

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The hideous white hypocrisy behind the Baltimore �Hero Mom� hype: How clueless media applause excuse [View all] DonViejo Apr 2015 OP

She was scared. bravenak Apr 2015 #1

I'm with you. I am white but I think she was terrified and he was trying to disregard her desparate jwirr Apr 2015 #8

Exactly. bravenak Apr 2015 #12

That's not the point. Yes, she was scared. But much of the media was applauding her for pnwmom Apr 2015 #53

That is different. jwirr Apr 2015 #61

WHAT is different? Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #83

That she is talking about the MSM not the mother. I fully support the mother in her fear. jwirr Apr 2015 #116

And in doing so you are missing the point of Joan Walsh's article. pnwmom Apr 2015 #156

A rule to live by - "The Media" is usually FOS MaggieD Apr 2015 #227

Well said! Thank you! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2015 #242

She said she didnt want him to end up like Freddie, so she was motivated. nt 7962 Apr 2015 #155

Couldn't that be part of the plan? Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #245

If people get violent ann--- Apr 2015 #182

The mother has already acknowledged her wrongdoing. How long will Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #282

I was commenting because ann--- Apr 2015 #291

That's what resonated with me deutsey Apr 2015 #11

Yep. bravenak Apr 2015 #14

if i had it to do over, barbtries Apr 2015 #20

When my children were much much younger... Mother Of Four Apr 2015 #289

+1 deutsey Apr 2015 #290

Scared and wrong. Lots of people do things because they are scared, but that doesn't mean pnwmom Apr 2015 #51

Exactly. bravenak Apr 2015 #52

I was happy to read the mother's perspective on this. I'm not worried about her being a bad mother. pnwmom Apr 2015 #74

White flight white privileged bigot racist assholes claim that there is a BLACK CULTURE NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #57

Yes. Anything negative is black culture and if white kids do it, Rap! Hip hop! bravenak Apr 2015 #60

Instread of addressing the article, I see the racists are in here attacking US. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #62

Jury results BainsBane Apr 2015 #255

Juror #1 is brilliant! mahalo BB Cha Apr 2015 #274

The Alerter's "concern" and all those who agree with him/her is Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #281

I'm white, and my dad would've done the exact same thing as she did! 7962 Apr 2015 #158

Work with him? Your learning curve and experience and this kid is VASTLY different NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #164

+1 nt Live and Learn Apr 2015 #277

I think she was more pissed off than scared...in fact know...just listen to her snooper2 Apr 2015 #63

Ah yes, the Angry Black Female. Of course. She's not frightened for her son endangering himself... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #67

oh come on get over yourself...she has a right to be pissed of her son was being an asshole snooper2 Apr 2015 #81

More racist dribble. I see you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #88

Obviously you responded so quick I see Reggae Shark wasn't an influence... snooper2 Apr 2015 #95

I don't know what the fuck that means. All I see is your racism showing. The other nonsense Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #96

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WTF??? boston bean Apr 2015 #157

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #163

Posting a video titled "hanging tree" to a black person is disgusting. boston bean Apr 2015 #175

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Your excuses make me sick, your actions ever more so. boston bean Apr 2015 #185

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There was nothing to read into. It was plain and obvious. boston bean Apr 2015 #195

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Your doubling down continues. I assume it will continue. boston bean Apr 2015 #199

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Moving on to strange for cover. Thou doth protest to much, I think. boston bean Apr 2015 #207

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Right. I will stick with my logic. boston bean Apr 2015 #223

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I'm sure many people feel the same as me. boston bean Apr 2015 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author snooper2 Apr 2015 #236

You could have just apologized. I'll leave the polling up to you. boston bean Apr 2015 #239

Snoop has had 2 more hides here and is now flagged for review. nt alp227 Apr 2015 #273

snooper has 3 well earned HIDES. Cha Apr 2015 #276

hmm, pleasantly suprised. boston bean Apr 2015 #278

Welp. And now every other message snoop has SELF DELETED. nt alp227 Apr 2015 #293

Boston Bean, you're not going to get anything worthwhile from that poster Scootaloo Apr 2015 #252

Especially now that he can't reply. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #256

I was hoping someone would alert. boston bean Apr 2015 #257

I was on the jury. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #258

Jury results for post #190: Auggie Apr 2015 #292

You need to take a huge fucking chill pill. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #146

And you need to not tell me what I need to do. Slavery is over. White folk don't get to tell Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #152

Holy crap did you hit THAT nail on the head. 7962 Apr 2015 #181

You "need to take a huge fucking chill pill." Cha Apr 2015 #275

Did you even listen to her comments? Obviously not. 7962 Apr 2015 #160

Anger and fear are cousins. Her fear caused the anger. bravenak Apr 2015 #71

apparently she had already caught him throwing rocks at the police, he was already participating snooper2 Apr 2015 #91

There is a huge difference here Kalidurga Apr 2015 #132

Since I'm dealing with this Stalwart person above I went to find an interview with her- you nail it snooper2 Apr 2015 #140

Awesome! It was kinda obvious. bravenak Apr 2015 #143

Anger OFTEN covers over fear. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #80

Very often! It's a Duval Apr 2015 #170

I would have done the 840high Apr 2015 #98

I probably would have too. And regretted it. bravenak Apr 2015 #203

yes.i wouldnt call it being a hero JI7 Apr 2015 #128

Looking at it again, I agree there was nothing abusive about it treestar Apr 2015 #171

I felt like I understood her yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #169

I felt a little sick because I could see myself doing that and regretting it. bravenak Apr 2015 #180

In that situation definitely yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #231

"Please come home now, Dear" Ms. Yertle Apr 2015 #2

Then why didn't she literally pull him out of that dangerous situation? And why is the media pnwmom Apr 2015 #54

I didn't se her 840high Apr 2015 #104

You didn't see her being out of control? I did. And she admitted that she was: pnwmom Apr 2015 #115

Full quote - 840high Apr 2015 #213

That changes nothing. White people shouldn't be applauding a black mother's pnwmom Apr 2015 #215

I don't view people as black or white. I view 840high Apr 2015 #253

Yeah, right. Just like you don't notice if someone is male or female. pnwmom Apr 2015 #259

I do notice if someone is 840high Apr 2015 #261

And unless you are blind you also notice the color of their skin. pnwmom Apr 2015 #262

Color doesn't interest me - perhaps 840high Apr 2015 #263

Then you aren't interested in hearing about how the lives of other people pnwmom Apr 2015 #265

How are you solving it? You post a lot. It's 840high Apr 2015 #266

Any time White America sees a black BOY or MAN brutalized, they cheer it on. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #3

"Brutalized?" Please... derby378 Apr 2015 #13

Of course I was exaggerating, co-signing the larger point that Joan Walsh is making in her OP. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #22

good to clarify heaven05 Apr 2015 #35

zactly Duppers Apr 2015 #161

Huh? Being brutalized? WTF? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #32

Roll your fucking eyes all you want. The media is calling this woman a "hero". She is on Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #58

I agree too. bravenak Apr 2015 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #68

That was an explanation of the MOTHER's motivations. bravenak Apr 2015 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #84

Almost as special as how you continuously move the goalposts... adorable, even. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #92

Yep. The mother explained hers. bravenak Apr 2015 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #118

I never mentioned you once. bravenak Apr 2015 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #137

I don't need a ploy. It's just true. bravenak Apr 2015 #142

Racists in this thread in full force, too. Rather than addressing the substance of Joan's article... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #76

Crazy shit, right? bravenak Apr 2015 #87

Kudos to you! I see them here, too. Again, not attacking the white woman, Joan Walsh... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #94

Yep. Typical. bravenak Apr 2015 #114

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Nope. Not giving it no rests. bravenak Apr 2015 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #124

You started it. And I'm the arrogant one cause I don't care what you think. bravenak Apr 2015 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #139

Ok. But I was never talking to or about you, just so you know. bravenak Apr 2015 #145

They're going to keep telling YOU to "get over yourself"! LOL!! You didn't write the article! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #212

I'm arrogant. bravenak Apr 2015 #214

You're arrogant, uppity and angry. And it's not racism unless THEY say so! So, get over yourself! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #216

Stop being so uppity! Just do as you're told and take a chill pill! bravenak Apr 2015 #217

Racists? You wish. 'Bye 840high Apr 2015 #202

I dont know, I think if it were the same situation, the woman would get similar coverage 7962 Apr 2015 #193

It's the way they are lionizing her. She does not agree and regrets her actions. bravenak Apr 2015 #198

I guess we disagree. I was hit like that as a kid, 7962 Apr 2015 #204

I think that's why I don't believe in corporal punishment. bravenak Apr 2015 #210

Yeah, I never could get that: getting hit and you didnt do ANYTHING wrong. nt 7962 Apr 2015 #220

For real. It was terrifying trying to figure out if you were being 'bad'. bravenak Apr 2015 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #66

My opinion. This is what Joan Walsh wrote. Take it up with her. I agree with her. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #79

No worries. Criticize me all you want. It's your right. But you WILL NOT silence me! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #89

Your self-indictment is admirable. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #93

Black folks are cheering 840high Apr 2015 #113

What's with this: "GET OVER MYSELF"? I didn't write the fucking article! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #147

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #149

LOL - I see many black, hispanic, native friends of mine dbackjon Apr 2015 #141

Truth hurts, don't it? Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #150

For you, I guess dbackjon Apr 2015 #237

+1000 Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #251

When will white people learn? We have NO CLUE about ANY of what that mother is dealing NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #75

damn white people anyway hfojvt Apr 2015 #172

I won't oblige - want to 840high Apr 2015 #200

I spoke out against it. I understand her fear but also do not cheer any violence. interesting take, uppityperson Apr 2015 #4

And so many on DU are essentially saying....... WillowTree Apr 2015 #5

Who is saying this? And the vast majority of "black kids" were peacefully demonstrating. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #24

Unfortunately, and typically, the media wasn't SHOWING the vast majority of peaceful demonstrators. pnwmom Apr 2015 #179

True. Of course. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #187

Links, please. I don't recall seeing any DUers post that. n/t Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #28

The people who are at fault are the media, for applauding a parent at her pnwmom Apr 2015 #59

Actually, some people here have corrected me in suggesting that we black folk are cheering Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #162

I think Joan Walsh's piece was spot on. pnwmom Apr 2015 #174

Yep. Absolutely. Those who assert that "blacks were cheering too" missed the point... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #196

I agree. I am white and I would have more likely than not done he same thing. boston bean Apr 2015 #254

Exactly. Thank you. I think other folks get it, too. They are just Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #283

The fuck? Egnever Apr 2015 #6

You disagree with this comment from the article by Joan Walsh?... DonViejo Apr 2015 #9

Completely Egnever Apr 2015 #44

You are right. 840high Apr 2015 #201

You must have missed the dozens of news reports that lionized this woman for her desperate, out-of-control pnwmom Apr 2015 #90

So because it was on the news Egnever Apr 2015 #126

she was a scared mother, not an action figure, nor is she Cruella deVille as some handwringers are geek tragedy Apr 2015 #7

FUBAR! Left coast liberal Apr 2015 #10

or the left only looking at this mom from the hits. i am disgusted with both sides. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #15

I'd be tempted to do exactly what she did. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #16

if in another time and place, this woman would have been charged with child abuse or assault. nc4bo Apr 2015 #25

Did she succeed? treestar Apr 2015 #40

the almighty media seems to think so. nc4bo Apr 2015 #42

So true treestar Apr 2015 #159

My 8 year old son gets into violent christx30 Apr 2015 #154

My nine year old daughter is like that. bravenak Apr 2015 #177

a facebook friend said the mom should have joined the son in the protest m-lekktor Apr 2015 #17

Mother seveneyes Apr 2015 #18

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #29

Some think the Police started it: Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think libdem4life Apr 2015 #19

did you write this barbtries Apr 2015 #23

Thanks for the tip...Fixed it. libdem4life Apr 2015 #27

The police instigated it, just as they did in Ferguson. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #26

Oh, for fuck's sake: "beating her 16-year-old son" Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #30

...^ that 840high Apr 2015 #123

We're being gamed. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #148

I don't know that "hypocrisy" sums it up well. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #31

disagree. mothers imo feel her completely. the mother level is deep. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #41

Some do. Some don't. For different reasons. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #45

Disagree. I'm a mother of a son whom I love deeply. To me, a mother who bangs on a kid, curses at libdem4life Apr 2015 #70

she was freaked out. that'd all I can tell from the video. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #86

That group wasn't rioting...clearly...they were trapped by the buses and metro closed down. libdem4life Apr 2015 #127

also, whites first reaction isn't "great mom", it's "his dad should be collecting him" elehhhhna Apr 2015 #46

Do what now? Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #48

I have ears. just reporting what I hear. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #77

That still makes no sense. Are you trying to make a point? Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #110

why are you looking for an argument? elehhhhna Apr 2015 #117

I am looking to understand your comments. That isn't an argument, that is a conversation. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #122

some folks love deflecting attention away from the real issues... nc4bo Apr 2015 #133

Yep. You see how they've come after me for dare agreeing with what Joan Walsh has said. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #167

Really? bravenak Apr 2015 #56

no shit. Do I have to write a ten paragraph essay here defending my elehhhhna Apr 2015 #99

I wasn't angry. It's hard to put tone into the messages. bravenak Apr 2015 #120

I agree. And those who pretend to not know what you meant are lying. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #125

Yes, the mom said she feared for her son Duppers Apr 2015 #176

My coworkers found it amusing awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #184

Yes, the white privilege Fox news stereotype of how a black mother should punish her kid project_bluebook Apr 2015 #33

They need to stop labeling people 'hero'... Blanks Apr 2015 #34

+1 treestar Apr 2015 #38

So this breaks down according to race? treestar Apr 2015 #36

Walsh puts into words what Puglover Apr 2015 #37

Frankly - I think America KT2000 Apr 2015 #39

Being a mom trying to get through to a teen son just SUCKS. lostnfound Apr 2015 #43

+1000 Duppers Apr 2015 #209

She was also a 'hero,' or at least did the right thing, elleng Apr 2015 #47

Joan Walsh said her piece was NOT directed to other African Americans like your friend. pnwmom Apr 2015 #97

Why does Joan Walsh get to dictate anything? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #222

She doesn't. But the OP is about Joan Walsh's piece. pnwmom Apr 2015 #225

Fair enough. I'd bore everyone to tears if I tried to write something. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #232

AMEN!!! I made the point that if the kid was white she'd be in jail!!! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #49

There is one thign that also get hidden DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #50

I think my Mom would have done the same thing. bigwillq Apr 2015 #55

The media shouldn't be holding up the reaction of a frightened, out-of-control angry parent pnwmom Apr 2015 #64

That's very much the way I was reading the zeal for this event. Racist white folks love watching a Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #69

Are you kidding me? WTF. And you know this exactly how? libdem4life Apr 2015 #78

I'm speculating. I know nothing. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #82

You don't think that was behind the Faux news spin on her actions? pnwmom Apr 2015 #103

I think everything that day was racist. What has me gobsmacked, is the cheering on of a very libdem4life Apr 2015 #138

wrong. white people love to see any teenagers be humiliated. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #111

This could also be the case. You make a good point. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #121

That's a pretty racist thing to say dbackjon Apr 2015 #144

whatever. I'm white, I see it. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #191

That was hardly a beating Renew Deal Apr 2015 #101

This is an excellent piece! Thank you! n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #106

Salon jumped the shark during these riots, discrediting the publication LittleBlue Apr 2015 #107

Totally agree with you! Duppers Apr 2015 #218

Sorry...she is too me rtracey Apr 2015 #108

To me she is 840high Apr 2015 #130

I agree rtracey Apr 2015 #234

We demonize Dorian Gray Apr 2015 #109

" is essentially justifying police brutality, " Fucking Bullshit Incitatus Apr 2015 #119

No, this is where it starts. This wasn't the first time...that was clear in the interaction. libdem4life Apr 2015 #151

That was not a "brutal" "beating" Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #129

Gee, I guess the message from the media is we should publicly flog the uppity ni**ers.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #134

Joan, you missed it on this one Duppers Apr 2015 #153

Yes. Your son understood what you did for him. LittleBlue Apr 2015 #224

Thank you! Duppers Apr 2015 #238

Until I was 18 I took orders from my parents The Green Manalishi Apr 2015 #165

Mainstream zentrum Apr 2015 #166

Exactly right! This is exactly what Joan Walsh was saying. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #284

She was just doing everything she could to save her son liberal N proud Apr 2015 #168

liberal you are my hero donnasgirl Apr 2015 #178

I wonder what Joan Walsh would have done if it had been her son or daughter out there? totodeinhere Apr 2015 #173

so she means white right wingers are applauding it treestar Apr 2015 #186

Women cannot win, I don't care what color we are, we can't win Hekate Apr 2015 #188

kick Dawson Leery Apr 2015 #189

Hmmm..... Doc Holliday Apr 2015 #192

Walsh is showing her own privileged 'cluelessness' bigtree Apr 2015 #194

Not sure how. Walsh's argument actually supports what Ms. Graham is saying here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #211

she can spare me her analysis of why blacks can defend the mom's actions vs. whites bigtree Apr 2015 #226

Go back and read Walsh's article when you have time. That is exactly Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #243

I did 'go back and read' it bigtree Apr 2015 #247

I don't like most of Walsh's writings, especially when she covers Obama. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #285

a desperate and scared mom KMOD Apr 2015 #206

This is a insightful statement.... blackspade Apr 2015 #208

+100000000 MaggieD Apr 2015 #229

^^^This post is the best of this discussion IMO Stuckinthebush Apr 2015 #241

Exactly Walsh's point. People here pretending not to understand. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #286

Indeed blackspade Apr 2015 #288

It's interesting, Toya Graham recognizes most moms are working closeupready Apr 2015 #230

I think Walsh nailed it loyalsister Apr 2015 #233

Violence against kids is never OK. Whether the police or Flatulo Apr 2015 #240

I couldn't agree more. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #244

What about this one? Quantess Apr 2015 #246

That is nuts. The Mom cared enough about the safety of her her son Quantess Apr 2015 #248

Was the kid actually participating in anything? Catherine Vincent Apr 2015 #249

Apparently he was either throwing a rock or ready to throw one. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #250

Wingnuts will abandon her now they know she's a single parent n/t UTUSN Apr 2015 #260

My criticism is not for the mom. Bonobo Apr 2015 #264

"Praising a mom for beating her son suggests only violence can discipline black kids." WTF?? Number23 Apr 2015 #267

You don't have to say it for it to be obvious that thought is at work unconsciously. Bonobo Apr 2015 #268

If a white mom did the same thing, I'd have the same reaction. I'd understand her fear Number23 Apr 2015 #269

What about a dad? Bonobo Apr 2015 #270

I'm sure this is important to you for some reason, but I have no idea why you are jumping Number23 Apr 2015 #271

As you said, it is interesting to me. That's all. Bonobo Apr 2015 #272

Only the misguided or Snow Leopard Apr 2015 #279

I support & applaud what this Mom did. GOLGO 13 Apr 2015 #280

I salute Ms. Graham, as well. hamsterjill Apr 2015 #287