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54. So you can show that as gun ownership went up, gun deaths went up?

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:32 PM

Apr 2015

that is the question. I don't think you can.

I don't question that places with more guns have more gun deaths. But that Harvard study doesn't answer my question, now does it? You said that "proliferation of guns actually leads to more gun violence." Yet you cannot show where gun violence is increasing. Your Harvard study certainly does not show that.

Here is another question I bet you won't answer - in those states that the study points out as having lots of guns/lots of murders, did those state show an increase or decrease in gun violence over the past 20 years. Yes, they have more than states with fewer guns. Do they have more than they themselves had 20 years ago? Simple question.

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Rioters attempt to set Pizza Shop Owner on fire...cops do nothing. [View all] OnlinePoker Apr 2015 OP

Feel bad for him. Shop owners really should consider gun ownership LittleBlue Apr 2015 #1

Ya...because more gunz will solve problems Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #3

The facts actually don't say that hack89 Apr 2015 #17

Yes they do Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #20

Just curious...is that study counting suicides? NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #26

So how do you explain the dramatic decline in gun deaths rates in America? hack89 Apr 2015 #28

Yep LittleBlue Apr 2015 #31

Most other industrialized countries don't cause the biggest narco state in the world on their border Fumesucker Apr 2015 #53

On that particular point, you are dead on. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #55

Hey now, I hate the drug war LittleBlue Apr 2015 #56

Correlation does not equal causation Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #42

So you can show that as gun ownership went up, gun deaths went up? hack89 Apr 2015 #54

Correlation does not equal causation Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #58

I have twice agreed with the Harvard studies. hack89 Apr 2015 #64

Once again, the Harvard study includes gang- and drug-related gun deaths LittleBlue Apr 2015 #68

Logical fallacy discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #69

I don't particularly care for statistics in this instance LittleBlue Apr 2015 #21

Sure worked well for the Korean businesses during the LA riots of 92. GGJohn Apr 2015 #73

I remember CNN video of a Korean grocer firing over the rioters heads. NaturalHigh May 2015 #80

Well, when it's YOUR life on the line... Adrahil May 2015 #81

Wow: Your Avatar is MLK and you think this situation would have been BETTER TheSarcastinator Apr 2015 #11

I can believe in gun ownership and some of what MLK said LittleBlue Apr 2015 #18

I think you really need to read up on Martin Luther King Shamash Apr 2015 #52

I didn't know that LittleBlue May 2015 #95

A White shop owner opening fire on an unarmed Black youths isnt going to bode too well 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #33

Did you watch the video? He isn't even white lol LittleBlue Apr 2015 #36

"Ironically he appears North African, possibly Berber." No wonder the cops couldn't be bothered. tenderfoot Apr 2015 #40

Exactly LittleBlue Apr 2015 #44

You're right, he's African-American. My mistake but my point still stands. n/t 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #41

He pumped bullets into a teen that was already lying helpless Reter Apr 2015 #76

Do you know anything about that particular case? NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #51

When your favorite tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail Orrex May 2015 #84

At first I thought this would be a clip from "Do the Right Thing" Iris Apr 2015 #2

Independent Journal Review - The Right Wing Upworthy tenderfoot Apr 2015 #4

I hope everyone defending the rioters sees this. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #5

Who is defending the rioters? Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #8

Some people have forgotten that empathy doesn't mean defense. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #15

I find it hard to have empathy for rioters, looters, and arsonists. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #19

I have a ton of of fucking empathy for people who have been trod upon for years. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #23

I would love to see Ma-and-Pa pharmacies come back. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #27

But, empathy does not equal defense, correct? ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #30

Did I say anything about wanting it to shut down? NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #32

Please answer the question. Why is it ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #37

What do you want me to answer? NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #47

Because this "I hope everyone defending the rioters sees this." ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #48

One more time...What IS the question? NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #50

One more time: Empathy does not equal defense. Agree? ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #60

Yes, I agree. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #61

Wow... Easy to be dismissive of a job when its not yours, i guess. n/t Adrahil May 2015 #82

Exactly. Apparently they're acceptable casualties in the name of "the cause." NaturalHigh May 2015 #83

One more time... we've agreed that empathy does not equal defense. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #86

You know, you're reply really has nothing to do with what I said. NaturalHigh May 2015 #87

My reply addresses everything you said. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #88

Okay. Cool story bro. NaturalHigh May 2015 #89

"Cool story bro..." ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #90

Sorry - I didn't check your profile. NaturalHigh May 2015 #92

I don't care. My son calls me "bro/bruh" all the time. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #93

Wow...easy to dismiss the suffering of so many when you're not, I guess. n/t ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #85

Well, NOLALady Apr 2015 #43

Cool story. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #59

No one is expected to agree with anyone. NOLALady Apr 2015 #74

...^ that 840high Apr 2015 #57

Thanks. It seems to have really pissed off a bunch of people. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #62

I assume, then, that you applied this same lack of sympathy liberalhistorian Apr 2015 #77

"I assume, then, that you applied this same lack of sympathy"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #79

I invite others to do a search to see for whom NaturalHigh DOES have empathy Scootaloo Apr 2015 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn May 2015 #91

According to MLK, NOLALady Apr 2015 #35

You wont get an answer. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #46

I don't know. I would have to see the context. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #49

You should look it up. bravenak Apr 2015 #63

People don't want to look it up. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #65

Of course not. They use MLK like a bat to beat up black folks with. bravenak Apr 2015 #67

I didn't make the point, so I don't see why I should look it up. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #66

Maybe this will help... NOLALady Apr 2015 #75

"The Other America" speech NOLALady May 2015 #94

Right wing source - no other news outlet to confirm the truth tenderfoot Apr 2015 #6

Youtube is a right wing news source? NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #12

No. Independent Journal Review. Check your sources! tenderfoot Apr 2015 #24

Any idea where this happened? Human101948 Apr 2015 #7

My guess would be 2426 E. Monument St. KamaAina Apr 2015 #10

Maybe they should go to Oklahoma KamaAina Apr 2015 #9

His name is Essam el Ghannam, and he owns Papa Palace Pizza in Baltimore. alp227 Apr 2015 #13

Of course it is...the so called liberal media apparently isn't concerned.... Historic NY Apr 2015 #45

Results of your jury service. leveymg Apr 2015 #14

Interesting that when some people don't like the story they attack the source. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #16

Yup. leveymg Apr 2015 #22

The source is an anti-Dem anti-Obama @#$% hole. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #25

There's nothing else online to back up the claims tenderfoot Apr 2015 #29

America's newest oppressed class... Scurrilous Apr 2015 #34

An African immigrant with a small business, you mean? LittleBlue May 2015 #96

Until more reputable sources chime in... Scurrilous May 2015 #97

Just watch the video LittleBlue May 2015 #98

Lol "this" Iggo Apr 2015 #39

Stole the Sprite; left the Coca-Cola. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #38

I hope he rebuilds. romanic Apr 2015 #70

Just don't call them "thugs" VScott Apr 2015 #71

These aren't thugs...they're punks. OnlinePoker Apr 2015 #72