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nadinbrzezinski

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Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:00 PM Apr 2015

Just a quick note as to why people at times do not vote [View all]

forget the ignorant, against their own best interest and the rest of the lovely talking points people throw here. They are lazy and quite frankly insulting.

I will tell you this people who at times work two to three jobs and worry their sons, and it is chiefly their sons, will be alive at the end of the day, or will be able to come home from the corner store with the gallon of milk, or that they will be able to go to the local fast food place and come home, You want to know why they do not vote?

Their concerns, their needs, their feelings, their live experience is constantly ignored or minimized, or disappeared from the larger conversation, if it even made it to the conversation.

Then they at times hear but if you voted democratic all would be better... care to tell me what party O'Malley is with? How about the current Mayor of Baltimore? Any wants to tell me about my city council member representing some of our most challenging neighborhoods? Actually the three of them? Yes two of them are Democrats (and they are women to boot, and one of them is African American). The third is a hispanic male but democrat. (Never mind these are non partisan offices, but they have not been in reality for a decade or more)

Yet, city hall is yet to fully listen to these potential voters. We tell them that they should try to work within the system and with the system, but we hear it regularly. It is very much independent of party, because the political elites, in both parties, despise the poor. "They don't care, they don't listen."

That phrase summarizes many long conversations over the last two years.

We see it here. We had a thread on the use of the world Thug, which for anybody who has been paying attention, over the last three years, the move to use that word to replace the world nigger by RW politicians, it is a new dog whistle, has been obvious. Yet, some posters here keep denying it. You are doing to that particular poster, and the rest of the folks who happen to be minorities, or those of us who are minorities just not AA, that yes it has happened, your ignoring them feels the same way as my local members of the city council ignoring those potential voters.

Or for that matter the current administration in Baltimore. Yes, they might be making some real changes, we have that problem here, and the local paper might not be reporting it This is what the Mayor said in the morning. Or they might not be doing as much as she thinks they are doing. I am not there, I cannot judge, but in several field interviews from MSNBC reporters and others talking to locals, just like Ferguson, it feels as if I were standing at the park in Mt. Hope talking to local activists and neighbors. The feeling is clear, people do not feel that the folks they at times have elected actually care.

And it is beyond a feeling. There are many studies, that show that if you are black and poor, less if you are hispanic and poor, you will have a hard time getting listened to by politicians. You become a punching bag though. Whether it is by being called welfare queen, or thug, or whatever is the neologism to come in the future.

And no, I will not blame any of my locals who work three jobs and have no time for this silliness for not voting. I know the few who have seen actual good results from pols will be very reliable foot soldiers. But they are far from the majority. As they say, perception is reality.

Though this is more than just perception on whether city hall helps them. Here you go... and if you must ask why people are pissed off... well this is one of the many interlacing causes.

http://www.demos.org/stacked-deck-how-dominance-politics-affluent-business-undermines-economic-mobility-america

http://www.princeton.edu/~bartels/economic.pdf

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/why-are-the-poor-and-minorities-less-likely-to-vote/282896/

There is a lot more But I will leave you with this. Many posters here are quite clueless as to how people live or the few opportunities they have, or why they worry.

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I often watch the movie "Mississippi Burning" upaloopa Apr 2015 #1
Well you have little patience nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #3
I was homeless in San Diego but I still voted. upaloopa Apr 2015 #6
You shoudl walk Mt Hope sometimes nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #8
the OP is not condoning not voting, she is explaining WHY people don't with links to explain. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #14
My mother worked very hard in her time also, washed clothes on a rub board, Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #2
And this has none to do with what I just wrote nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #4
Oh. really, what about the mom who had two jobs? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #5
Re-read it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #11
I did, it said a mom with three jobs. My point was we all got our grievences Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #17
It went over your head nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #19
No, not voting did not go over my head. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #21
I am sorry that it did go over your head nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #22
I vote every time because I know those items you mentioned will never change if we dont vote. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #23
I am going to make an assumption a huge one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #24
I am not middle class for sure, a little SS and a minimun wage job to survive. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #29
So you are commited to voting nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #30
Waste of time my ass. Adrahil Apr 2015 #43
Congrats, must be a really small town nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #45
About 80,000. Started small and worked up. Adrahil Apr 2015 #46
Go tell that to my local residents nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #47
Yea! All they need to do is spend the 20 minutes between the second and third job jeff47 Apr 2015 #52
The reality is that half the country doesn't vote. Why do you think that is? Yes, people did die to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #36
Community "value" is what matters to the PTB, not individual. haele Apr 2015 #50
My point was my mother endured many many hardships but still rode in a wagon to go and vote. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #51
We aren't making excuses. We are explaining why they do not vote. jeff47 Apr 2015 #53
I want to bring something else to your attention. I work in a voting precinct, have worked several Thinkingabout May 2015 #56
It goes well beyond voting nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #62
How much hope the GOP Congress is ever going to address any of these issues? Thinkingabout May 2015 #64
See you are thinking about this from the Party POV nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #69
What group lowered the SNAP program? Which group are able to increase minimun wages? Thinkingabout May 2015 #73
And this is not relevant where the rubber meets the road nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #74
Hi neighbor, we both need to get together one of these days nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #58
It's a class thing Fumesucker Apr 2015 #7
BINGO, that is certainly part of it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #9
I put up a couple of posts talking about my own experiences just volunteering in the schools.. Fumesucker Apr 2015 #16
Good reads, thanks nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #20
+1 million! KnR. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #10
Call me Not Clueless. In LA County I worked with many Hispanics in the 70s...LA County Sheriff was libdem4life Apr 2015 #12
What I usually tell folks when they ask for my opinion nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #13
Paul Weyrich worked very hard to create such deep voter apathy, they are not about to let that go. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #15
Oh so ALEC is the one who is telling local city hall nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #18
Sadly, they have a lot of influence in my local community, a reason why voter turnout is lower. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #25
I know but people gave up voting a while ago nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #26
Democrats had been working on expanding voter registration, hours and places; making it Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #32
I will be blunt nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #33
That's what I said, voter apathy. The powerful fear the poor actually caring about the very policy Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #37
How are you going to make elections relevant nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #38
The people of Ferguson, MO were motivated to vote this time. The GOTV people were there Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #41
And the people of Baltomore have a mostly democratic city council nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #44
29%! The school board and district admin needs to be held over a scorching fire for that. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #48
But that is why people really do not care for this thing called votiing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #49
Excellent article, nadin. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #65
Held over a fire how? Voting for the Republican instead? jeff47 Apr 2015 #54
I can attest that the R that ran this year nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #63
That's why we need proportional representation. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #66
That is a good idea nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #70
Maybe somehow that can be linked to undoing "Billionaires United" Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #82
Am a fan actually nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #84
The prime reason people don't vote is that they realize their single vote doesn't matter. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #27
Been told that too nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #28
Of course it doesn't treestar May 2015 #60
Thank you. bravenak Apr 2015 #31
Just two years of mostly doing a lot of listening nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #34
It's a rigged game davidn3600 Apr 2015 #35
And these days, this game is not limited to national elections nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #39
What I hear mostly in my neighborhood sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #40
Add the media to your list nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #42
sweetie, I know this comes from your absolute beliefs but sometimes you send the wrong message. ex demtenjeep Apr 2015 #55
That is fine sweetie, you really do not need to read it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #57
suit yourself. Just trying to throw a little friendly caution your way demtenjeep May 2015 #83
Meh. Buzz Clik May 2015 #81
If they don't vote, their experience will be ignored even more nt treestar May 2015 #59
More than they are getting ignored at the moment nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #61
We make it too difficult to vote in this country. alarimer May 2015 #67
This is part of it, but far from all of it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #71
One size does NOT fit all. 99Forever May 2015 #68
But we read this often nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #72
Your explanation fails for this reason... brooklynite May 2015 #75
I am not telling you why middle class kids do not vote nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #76
Your OP is titled "Why PEOPLE at times do not vote" brooklynite May 2015 #77
Yeah, and it is what it is nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #78
Then the proper phrase would be "Some People" brooklynite May 2015 #79
I think this is not about editorial choices nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #80
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