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In reply to the discussion: Just a quick note as to why people at times do not vote [View all]Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)16. I put up a couple of posts talking about my own experiences just volunteering in the schools..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026532730#post61
And...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026532730#post84
The observation I made over and over was that there were the "doers" and the "talkers", one group would be doing the actual physical work, be it setting up before or cleaning up after the gathering and putting the tables and chairs away or chaperoning the kids or any number of other physical chores that needed doing. The other group would be standing around talking to each other and schmoozing the higher ups in the various organizations, PTA, Band Parents, Football Boosters, Soccer Boosters and so on. When it came down to setting the agenda it was invariably the talkers who had the most influence because they were the ones who had the ears of the powers that be, we doers were too busy getting the needed physical work done to have much influence with the upper levels of the heirarchy.
I see almost all politicians as being the "talkers" rather than the "doers", the way you get your voice heard is by schmoozing and chatting up TPTB, not by doing the thankless and often difficult but very necessary physical tasks that are required in any organization of any size.
I see almost all politicians as being the "talkers" rather than the "doers", the way you get your voice heard is by schmoozing and chatting up TPTB, not by doing the thankless and often difficult but very necessary physical tasks that are required in any organization of any size.
And...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026532730#post84
Americans like to think they are egalitarian when they are almost anything but that
In the Soccer Boosters (a smaller organization) for instance we had the local District Attorney, a bank president, a surgeon and a pediatrician, we also had a guy who owned (one) garbage truck, a plumber, a couple of carpenters, a warehouse order picker, a tanning salon manager and several retail salespeople. This was a couple of decades ago and those are just the ones I can remember.
Now I can talk to anyone from a garbageman to a nuclear physicist on something close to their level because I'm basically a blue collar worker whose lifelong hobby happens to have been reading everything from Dickens, Twain, Marx and Shelley to Scientific American, Smithsonian and National Geographic but if you think the average garbageman can talk to a District Attorney on his level then perhaps you are deluding yourself a little.
Contempt for manual labor practically oozes out of DU and it's less prevalent here than in much of the rest of American society, as a society we worship power and money. A remark was made to me just a day or so ago here about how we shouldn't listen to the concerns of the Domino's Pizza worker because they don't know anything.
The DA, the physicians and the bank president were talkers, do you really think they were going to assign an equal weight to the opinions of the garbage truck owner or the tanning salon manager as to those of their own class?
In the Soccer Boosters (a smaller organization) for instance we had the local District Attorney, a bank president, a surgeon and a pediatrician, we also had a guy who owned (one) garbage truck, a plumber, a couple of carpenters, a warehouse order picker, a tanning salon manager and several retail salespeople. This was a couple of decades ago and those are just the ones I can remember.
Now I can talk to anyone from a garbageman to a nuclear physicist on something close to their level because I'm basically a blue collar worker whose lifelong hobby happens to have been reading everything from Dickens, Twain, Marx and Shelley to Scientific American, Smithsonian and National Geographic but if you think the average garbageman can talk to a District Attorney on his level then perhaps you are deluding yourself a little.
Contempt for manual labor practically oozes out of DU and it's less prevalent here than in much of the rest of American society, as a society we worship power and money. A remark was made to me just a day or so ago here about how we shouldn't listen to the concerns of the Domino's Pizza worker because they don't know anything.
The DA, the physicians and the bank president were talkers, do you really think they were going to assign an equal weight to the opinions of the garbage truck owner or the tanning salon manager as to those of their own class?
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the OP is not condoning not voting, she is explaining WHY people don't with links to explain.
m-lekktor
Apr 2015
#14
My mother worked very hard in her time also, washed clothes on a rub board,
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#2
I did, it said a mom with three jobs. My point was we all got our grievences
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#17
I vote every time because I know those items you mentioned will never change if we dont vote.
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#23
I am not middle class for sure, a little SS and a minimun wage job to survive.
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#29
Yea! All they need to do is spend the 20 minutes between the second and third job
jeff47
Apr 2015
#52
The reality is that half the country doesn't vote. Why do you think that is? Yes, people did die to
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#36
My point was my mother endured many many hardships but still rode in a wagon to go and vote.
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#51
I want to bring something else to your attention. I work in a voting precinct, have worked several
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#56
How much hope the GOP Congress is ever going to address any of these issues?
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#64
What group lowered the SNAP program? Which group are able to increase minimun wages?
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#73
I put up a couple of posts talking about my own experiences just volunteering in the schools..
Fumesucker
Apr 2015
#16
Call me Not Clueless. In LA County I worked with many Hispanics in the 70s...LA County Sheriff was
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#12
Paul Weyrich worked very hard to create such deep voter apathy, they are not about to let that go.
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#15
Sadly, they have a lot of influence in my local community, a reason why voter turnout is lower.
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#25
Democrats had been working on expanding voter registration, hours and places; making it
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#32
That's what I said, voter apathy. The powerful fear the poor actually caring about the very policy
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#37
The people of Ferguson, MO were motivated to vote this time. The GOTV people were there
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#41
29%! The school board and district admin needs to be held over a scorching fire for that.
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#48
But that is why people really do not care for this thing called votiing
nadinbrzezinski
Apr 2015
#49
The prime reason people don't vote is that they realize their single vote doesn't matter. n/t
PoliticAverse
Apr 2015
#27