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Fumesucker

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16. I put up a couple of posts talking about my own experiences just volunteering in the schools..
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:42 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026532730#post61

The observation I made over and over was that there were the "doers" and the "talkers", one group would be doing the actual physical work, be it setting up before or cleaning up after the gathering and putting the tables and chairs away or chaperoning the kids or any number of other physical chores that needed doing. The other group would be standing around talking to each other and schmoozing the higher ups in the various organizations, PTA, Band Parents, Football Boosters, Soccer Boosters and so on. When it came down to setting the agenda it was invariably the talkers who had the most influence because they were the ones who had the ears of the powers that be, we doers were too busy getting the needed physical work done to have much influence with the upper levels of the heirarchy.

I see almost all politicians as being the "talkers" rather than the "doers", the way you get your voice heard is by schmoozing and chatting up TPTB, not by doing the thankless and often difficult but very necessary physical tasks that are required in any organization of any size.


And...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026532730#post84

Americans like to think they are egalitarian when they are almost anything but that

In the Soccer Boosters (a smaller organization) for instance we had the local District Attorney, a bank president, a surgeon and a pediatrician, we also had a guy who owned (one) garbage truck, a plumber, a couple of carpenters, a warehouse order picker, a tanning salon manager and several retail salespeople. This was a couple of decades ago and those are just the ones I can remember.

Now I can talk to anyone from a garbageman to a nuclear physicist on something close to their level because I'm basically a blue collar worker whose lifelong hobby happens to have been reading everything from Dickens, Twain, Marx and Shelley to Scientific American, Smithsonian and National Geographic but if you think the average garbageman can talk to a District Attorney on his level then perhaps you are deluding yourself a little.

Contempt for manual labor practically oozes out of DU and it's less prevalent here than in much of the rest of American society, as a society we worship power and money. A remark was made to me just a day or so ago here about how we shouldn't listen to the concerns of the Domino's Pizza worker because they don't know anything.

The DA, the physicians and the bank president were talkers, do you really think they were going to assign an equal weight to the opinions of the garbage truck owner or the tanning salon manager as to those of their own class?

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I often watch the movie "Mississippi Burning" upaloopa Apr 2015 #1
Well you have little patience nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #3
I was homeless in San Diego but I still voted. upaloopa Apr 2015 #6
You shoudl walk Mt Hope sometimes nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #8
the OP is not condoning not voting, she is explaining WHY people don't with links to explain. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #14
My mother worked very hard in her time also, washed clothes on a rub board, Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #2
And this has none to do with what I just wrote nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #4
Oh. really, what about the mom who had two jobs? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #5
Re-read it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #11
I did, it said a mom with three jobs. My point was we all got our grievences Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #17
It went over your head nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #19
No, not voting did not go over my head. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #21
I am sorry that it did go over your head nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #22
I vote every time because I know those items you mentioned will never change if we dont vote. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #23
I am going to make an assumption a huge one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #24
I am not middle class for sure, a little SS and a minimun wage job to survive. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #29
So you are commited to voting nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #30
Waste of time my ass. Adrahil Apr 2015 #43
Congrats, must be a really small town nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #45
About 80,000. Started small and worked up. Adrahil Apr 2015 #46
Go tell that to my local residents nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #47
Yea! All they need to do is spend the 20 minutes between the second and third job jeff47 Apr 2015 #52
The reality is that half the country doesn't vote. Why do you think that is? Yes, people did die to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #36
Community "value" is what matters to the PTB, not individual. haele Apr 2015 #50
My point was my mother endured many many hardships but still rode in a wagon to go and vote. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #51
We aren't making excuses. We are explaining why they do not vote. jeff47 Apr 2015 #53
I want to bring something else to your attention. I work in a voting precinct, have worked several Thinkingabout May 2015 #56
It goes well beyond voting nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #62
How much hope the GOP Congress is ever going to address any of these issues? Thinkingabout May 2015 #64
See you are thinking about this from the Party POV nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #69
What group lowered the SNAP program? Which group are able to increase minimun wages? Thinkingabout May 2015 #73
And this is not relevant where the rubber meets the road nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #74
Hi neighbor, we both need to get together one of these days nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #58
It's a class thing Fumesucker Apr 2015 #7
BINGO, that is certainly part of it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #9
I put up a couple of posts talking about my own experiences just volunteering in the schools.. Fumesucker Apr 2015 #16
Good reads, thanks nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #20
+1 million! KnR. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #10
Call me Not Clueless. In LA County I worked with many Hispanics in the 70s...LA County Sheriff was libdem4life Apr 2015 #12
What I usually tell folks when they ask for my opinion nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #13
Paul Weyrich worked very hard to create such deep voter apathy, they are not about to let that go. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #15
Oh so ALEC is the one who is telling local city hall nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #18
Sadly, they have a lot of influence in my local community, a reason why voter turnout is lower. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #25
I know but people gave up voting a while ago nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #26
Democrats had been working on expanding voter registration, hours and places; making it Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #32
I will be blunt nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #33
That's what I said, voter apathy. The powerful fear the poor actually caring about the very policy Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #37
How are you going to make elections relevant nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #38
The people of Ferguson, MO were motivated to vote this time. The GOTV people were there Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #41
And the people of Baltomore have a mostly democratic city council nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #44
29%! The school board and district admin needs to be held over a scorching fire for that. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #48
But that is why people really do not care for this thing called votiing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #49
Excellent article, nadin. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #65
Held over a fire how? Voting for the Republican instead? jeff47 Apr 2015 #54
I can attest that the R that ran this year nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #63
That's why we need proportional representation. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #66
That is a good idea nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #70
Maybe somehow that can be linked to undoing "Billionaires United" Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #82
Am a fan actually nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #84
The prime reason people don't vote is that they realize their single vote doesn't matter. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #27
Been told that too nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #28
Of course it doesn't treestar May 2015 #60
Thank you. bravenak Apr 2015 #31
Just two years of mostly doing a lot of listening nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #34
It's a rigged game davidn3600 Apr 2015 #35
And these days, this game is not limited to national elections nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #39
What I hear mostly in my neighborhood sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #40
Add the media to your list nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #42
sweetie, I know this comes from your absolute beliefs but sometimes you send the wrong message. ex demtenjeep Apr 2015 #55
That is fine sweetie, you really do not need to read it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #57
suit yourself. Just trying to throw a little friendly caution your way demtenjeep May 2015 #83
Meh. Buzz Clik May 2015 #81
If they don't vote, their experience will be ignored even more nt treestar May 2015 #59
More than they are getting ignored at the moment nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #61
We make it too difficult to vote in this country. alarimer May 2015 #67
This is part of it, but far from all of it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #71
One size does NOT fit all. 99Forever May 2015 #68
But we read this often nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #72
Your explanation fails for this reason... brooklynite May 2015 #75
I am not telling you why middle class kids do not vote nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #76
Your OP is titled "Why PEOPLE at times do not vote" brooklynite May 2015 #77
Yeah, and it is what it is nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #78
Then the proper phrase would be "Some People" brooklynite May 2015 #79
I think this is not about editorial choices nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #80
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