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FSogol

(47,544 posts)
45. Yes, I read the article, you're the 3rd person who asked me that.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:59 PM
Apr 2015

Also, you do realize that "The Wire" is a work of fiction? It doesn't change the fact that O'Malley left as Mayor in Baltimore in Nov 2007.

Why blame him, yet cut a break to the people in charge the last 7-1/2 years?

Here's my spiel again:

O'Malley, as Mayor of Baltimore (Dec 1999-Nov 2007) followed a policy of zero tolerance, also know as the broken windows policy as did almost every major city in the US. Every major city switched to that form of policing in the mid to late 90s because of the drop in NYC's crime rate. By the mid 00s, everyone was moving away from it due to over-policing, arresting innocent people, profiling, etc. He employed those policies when he arrived as Mayor, but moved away from them for the reasons stated. The number of arrests dropped each year in Baltimore as did the crime rate.

By the end of his Mayoral term he moved away from that policy. He did not employ those methods as Governor. Unlike say, Giuliani, O'Malley changed, evolved, and modified his approach until he got a fairer/more workable system.

From a recent Washington Post article:

“What was positive was that there was zero-tolerance for criminals and drug dealers locking down neighborhoods and taking neighborhoods hostage,” said the Rev. Franklin Madison Reid, a Baltimore pastor. “Does that mean there was no down side? No. But the bottom line was that the city was in a lot stronger position as a city after he became mayor.”

Benjamin T. Jealous, a former president of the national NAACP who worked with O’Malley when Maryland abolished the death penalty in 2013, credited him for supporting a civilian review board as mayor and for a sharp drop in police shootings that occurred during that time. Jealous said O’Malley’s “mass incarceration” police strategy is “a separate issue” than police brutality, and “a conversation for a different day.”“It was a period where a lot of mayors were doing whatever they could to try to reduce crime,” Jealous said.


and

Over the past year, as he has criss-crossed the country, O’Malley has talked about alleged police misconduct in places such as Ferguson, Mo. and North Charleston, S.C. On Saturday, he called Gray’s death “another awful and horrific loss of life.”
“Whether it’s a police custodial death or a police-involved shooting,” O’Malley said, “we all have a responsibility to ask whether there’s something we can do to prevent such a loss of life from happening in the future.”

Earlier this month, at a civil rights event convened by the Rev. Al Sharpton, O’Malley said his crime-reduction efforts as mayor saved many lives. “There are a thousand fewer black men in Baltimore who died violent deaths over the last 15 years than otherwise would have died had we not come together.”

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I wouldn't call it a good week, but he can regroup BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #1
I don't think his visit to Baltimore is going to hurt him. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #2
Yep. 840high Apr 2015 #54
No it won't Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #78
Just a few days ago I saw a positive article here about this visit Mojorabbit Apr 2015 #86
I'd mentioned this before in another post but O'Malley may have been deemed the best governor justiceischeap Apr 2015 #3
I would need to read more marym625 Apr 2015 #4
RFK in Indianapolis he ain't. hifiguy Apr 2015 #5
red sky at dawn bigtree Apr 2015 #6
back home we used to say "red sky at night, sailor's delight. red sky in morning, sailors take dionysus Apr 2015 #96
I don't see that he fills a needed space in the primary contest BainsBane Apr 2015 #7
O'Malley is very popular in Baltimore. Don't believe the RW spin. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #32
David Simon is critical of him BainsBane Apr 2015 #33
True, but he is someone who is a friend of the current administration and has a FSogol Apr 2015 #37
Did you read the article or BainsBane Apr 2015 #42
Yes, I read the article, you're the 3rd person who asked me that. FSogol Apr 2015 #45
I'm not blaming him for Freddie Gray BainsBane Apr 2015 #48
Every major city used that form of policing in the 1990-early 2000s. FSogol Apr 2015 #53
I might add that FSogol's replies are factually inaccurate. Vattel May 2015 #104
I read the whole article -- the praise as well as the criticism Jim Lane Apr 2015 #75
I'll vote for him if he is the nominee too BainsBane Apr 2015 #81
Good find Jim. O'Malley's biggest critic says, "I’m going to end up voting for him." FSogol May 2015 #101
Its too early to write him off DJ13 Apr 2015 #8
Yes. elleng Apr 2015 #16
Bernie jumping in has railroaded O'Malley's non-campaign wyldwolf Apr 2015 #9
So they're calling a Democrat "a root cause of Baltimore's problem." cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #10
Yup. elleng Apr 2015 #14
No, they just remember him for what he was to Baltimore as Mayor and Governor. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #17
I guess I simply pulled the quoted text out of my ass then... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #22
A good question would be, what type of police commissioner and what type of law enforcement strategy Dragonfli Apr 2015 #44
Apparently he was the one that introduced Hutzpa Apr 2015 #49
I hope someone with knowledge will go into greater detail Dragonfli Apr 2015 #58
Unfortunately I don't have the full details as I caught the end of it Hutzpa Apr 2015 #61
Read David Simon's interview on O'Malley's policing policies brush Apr 2015 #92
A Democrat who stopped being Mayor of Baltimore 7-1/2 years ago. FSogol Apr 2015 #23
I'm NOT falling for it. I'm pissed someone is posting it here. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #26
My apologies. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #28
Oh no problem. No problem at all. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #30
Good. elleng Apr 2015 #31
Like I told FSogol... It's gonna be a long, bumpy ride. Glad I'm not prone to motion sickness! n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #34
Read this link to the David Simon interview on O'Malley brush Apr 2015 #91
B.S. headline, saw it elsewhere. elleng Apr 2015 #11
So you like Martin O'Malley, Ellen? "Martin O'Malley, Baltimore's Prodigal Mayor, Gets to Work" Cha Apr 2015 #76
Yes, Cha, I like him. elleng Apr 2015 #79
Good to know.. I respect your opinion! Cha Apr 2015 #84
FWIW, Jackie Kucinich, the author of this piece, is MADem Apr 2015 #12
You mean Democrat, Dennis Kucinich! There, fixed it for you. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #25
He gets paid for being a Democrat? OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #40
Well, I have no knowledge if he's changed his party affiliation, or not, so unlike MADem Apr 2015 #43
Oh yeah.. Kucinich and his fondness for Ron Paul.. quite sickening. Cha Apr 2015 #72
Bi-partisanship, to try to stop a war or forward legislation to stop sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #94
Ans what's also known about him is that he is and always was a Democrat. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #95
You're the one who seems "upset"--so quick to interject your little MADem May 2015 #97
No you're the one who seems upset that a Democrat worked with Republicans whenever he sabrina 1 May 2015 #98
Listen to yourself!!! MADem May 2015 #99
I never knew that. Thanks for the info. nt Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #39
She worked for THE HILL for quite a while, as I recall. She also did a run at the WAPO. MADem Apr 2015 #46
when i first saw her i thought his first wife JI7 Apr 2015 #56
He has a "type" I suspect. MADem Apr 2015 #59
He was told to GTFO Hutzpa Apr 2015 #13
Actually Fox News was told to GTFO, not O'Malley. FSogol Apr 2015 #19
YES, THANK YOU, FSogol! elleng Apr 2015 #27
I'm reading what the OP stated Hutzpa Apr 2015 #35
What is stated in that OP is full of BS. It is a RW hit piece that copies a slew FSogol Apr 2015 #38
It was written by Dennis Kucinich's daughter. She works for the Daily Beast. MADem Apr 2015 #47
She didn't necessarily write the headline ucrdem Apr 2015 #57
It's mostly narrative and quotes. It doesn't seem necessarily "hit piece-y" to me, to be honest. MADem Apr 2015 #63
Well... "O’Malley’s failure to take hold of this moment" sounds hit-piecey to me. ucrdem Apr 2015 #65
I think it sounds like an assessment by someone who is familiar with the terrain. MADem Apr 2015 #69
Well . . . let's just say that media reality is mediated and leave it at that. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #70
Dyslexia acting up today? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #60
Quoting republican governors should give you a clue. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #62
Oh, you're one of those people. You're not reachable. But here's something to ponder anyway: DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #64
Blam.. door shuts. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #67
Sounds like someone took their parents praise too seriously. FSogol Apr 2015 #68
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #71
You're just mouthing off and acting condescending. My head in real life seldom FSogol Apr 2015 #73
See my previous statement about cowardice. It neatly explains your situation. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #74
Bite me, anonymous internet tough guy. Your threats are a joke. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #77
I haven't threatened you, but I'll be glad to insult your lack of comprehension. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #80
Yawn. FSogol Apr 2015 #82
You made a false accusation, you were called on it, and your response is a yawn. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #85
Keep telling yourself that. nt Hutzpa Apr 2015 #66
Third rate hit piece on O'Malley, From the Wash post article, the heckler, FSogol Apr 2015 #15
Thank you. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #18
They even quoted the current ReTHUG governor malaise Apr 2015 #24
exactly! Duppers May 2015 #100
Governor Larry Hogan said .... left-of-center2012 Apr 2015 #20
Hogan looks like a scared kid. When the problem is the police, he wants more police. FSogol Apr 2015 #21
President Obama has been blamed, the Baltimore mayor has been blamed, KMOD Apr 2015 #29
omalley decriminalized mj questionseverything Apr 2015 #36
Sounds like a one issue voter Hutzpa Apr 2015 #41
not at all but questionseverything Apr 2015 #50
Lettuce prey upon the minerals and chemistry we require seveneyes Apr 2015 #51
sounds like hit piece JI7 Apr 2015 #52
Written by Dennis Kucinich's daughter? nt MADem Apr 2015 #83
Politics are not genetic. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #87
You're suggesting she's a right winger? MADem Apr 2015 #88
Nope, I'm suggesting that citing her father is about the worst possible way jeff47 Apr 2015 #89
I can find you a dozen more "liberal" links that are saying the same thing about O'Malley. MADem Apr 2015 #90
Kick, will read later. Agschmid Apr 2015 #55
What utter crap. Good on him for wading into the fray. TwilightGardener Apr 2015 #93
At least he didn't give Wall Street banksters all they wanted. Octafish May 2015 #102
Too bad fadedrose May 2015 #103
OFFS, what a load of tripe. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #105
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